To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/10/07 02:00
Subject: [K-list] Re:The Body, Mind and Soul ... Maureen
From: Christopher Wynter
On 1999/10/07 02:00, Christopher Wynter posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Maureen ...
Maureen said
>>> I have never noticed positive words about the
Catholic Church coming from this author.
Christopher said
"As far as I am concerned,
I have no problem with the essence of Christianity
... but I do have questions concerning the dogma of many of the Christian
sects as promulgated by many of the clergy ...
and this is based on the memories of these sacraments
as recalled by many whom I have worked with."
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Maureen said
>>> It appears to be always defaming.
Is it defamatory to ask a question ... I repeat ....
in the exact words I used in my post.
Christopher said
"Please don't take my word for this
but read the sacraments of your childhood church
and particularly,
the church of Rome.
Do you own your body, mind and soul?"
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Maureen said
>>>Is this passed on in suggestion to others?
If this is the case,
then is it not also the case
for the edicts of the clergy, the repetition of dogma
stated as "being the Word of God" ... particularly
the rites of the sacraments ...
where a church states that a child is
born with "original Sin"
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Maureen said
>>> Be that as it may,as I said, I do Baptisms. I do
have a point of view.
I am not denying you that.
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Maureen said
>>>I say the words. I bless with Holy water. I
annoint with Holy Chrism.
Would you like to talk to someone skilled in the
uses of essential oils ... as to the theraputic effects
of the oils you know as The Holy Chrism
>From my experience and research,
the oil of Chrism closes
the "psychic sensitivity" and, in particular
the third eye.
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Maureen said
>>> I place a corner of my stole over the infants
shoulder as a sign of accepting into the fold. It is an ancient ritual
where the tribe accepts responsibility for the new soul,
What genetic rememberings are awakened within
the child with this ritual ...
and for who's benefit is the ritual performed
and what is the sought after outcome ... particularly
for the infant child who has, in that moment, free will
taken from it.
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Maureen said
>>> and the upper chakras are opened with Holy oil to cement
the bond and interaction between the Guardian Angel
and the child,(or adult),
refer my comments above ... and particularly as an infant
is far more sensitive to the effects of oils than an adult is ...
(read the therapeutic precautions regarding the
uses of oils and essences)
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Maureen said
>>> I have yet to say any words that speak of "owning a soul".
But then again, I am not of the Roman Rite
(obviously,,I am female) and shall have to dig up the exact
wording of it.
Within my experience and from my research,
symbolism and ritual are far more powerful in
triggering genetic rememberings from the physical
body than words are.
I would invite you to do the full series of exercises that I have
set for my groups .. including the exercises that are currently
worked through by many on my own discussion group
and then you may understand from the rememberings
coming from your own body
and not from what you have read in any book
or been told by anyone .. including me.
As I said in a previous post
"What we are dealing with (and the possibility I am putting up for
consideration) is an unconscious belief and a memory that is being stored
within the body and has come out within the deep body remembering of the
people I have been working with ..
and symbols and emotions confirming this have been found by some people who
have done an exercise I set on another list.
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Maureen said
>>> By the way, I am confused. It is the infant who remembers
these complicated words???
It is the infant who is affected by the ritual, and yes
an infant has an understanding which has stunned me and
members of my group as we watch several children born to
members of this group ... and hear what they tell us.
In the deep remembering work we have done,
we have found that the adult does
have the remembering of the Baptism and Christening
and it surfaces just as clearly as the remembering
of the actual birthing process, the first breath taken
and the detailed memories of everything the mother went
through during the pregnancy ...
and, in many cases, we do recover the memories of previous
pregnancies in the womb ... of things that happened in the
life of the mother ..
and so it goes on.
and yes ... a number have remembered feeling
an uncomfortable, irritating or burning sensation
from what you turn "the Holy Chrism"
As I said, you are welcome to try the exercises for yourself.
as is anyone else on this list ...
and I respect the opinions of all .. and am aware
that I may be presenting a perception
with which many may be unfamiliar ...
but which has come out of the bodies of many people
withwhom I have worked over the last 10 or so years.
Christopher Wynter
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