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Recieved: 1999/10/05 12:31
Subject: Re: Visualisations (Was: Re: [K-list] INTENT)
From: Wim Borsboom
On 1999/10/05 12:31, Wim Borsboom posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Magne,
We are definitely communicating and I appreciate your thoughts about
morality very much. Will play with your OBE technique. Your telepathic
technique too. Am not a 'techniques' person, but test everything that comes
my way. Still a kid ;-)
Seems, if I don't, what came my way, will stay in my way.
About my OBE's, I never felt a need to go where I could possibly wish to go.
Usually I end up where the need to be helpful (rescue) calls me. I don't
know the mechanism of that.
The call... I am there.
I am where I function.
>Moralism IS maya (relative measurements)
Oh, I like the end of that statement very much!
*maya (relative measurements)*
That IS economy of language. I've spend too many words making that clear.
That is the original meaning of maya. I sometimes use the word 'gauge
fields' to explain maya, but then I have to explain what gauge fields are?
Good thing you did not get tempted to throw in our western word 'illusion'.
We tend to load our words with judgement values and eventually a particular
judgement replaces the original meaning.
The judgement value replaces the thing.
Most dialogues are judgement fights.
They will never be won or lost.
They will always turn into internal dialogues.
Love, Wim
>>Sorry, did not think I was dealing with the 'mirror meditation' or
>>commenting on that. Was dealing with how in this new-age-of-late, old
>>western guilt ridden morals are sneaking in and retarding effective
>>reintegrative and self regenerative efforts.
>
>OH ! SORRY. I haven't followed the whole discussion, or should I say,
>haven't seen the context of the discussion. I do fully agree with your
>criticism of "moralism". To say that a person's misery is *her/his own
>fault* is a typical expression of cynicism, used as an extenuation, a
>justification, an excuse for not helping others! To say that: "Well it is
>his karma. I do not care, 'cause it's his own fault" is stupid. A person
>which developes a disease due to his/her unhealthy life SHOULD be helped by
>a medical doctor. I'ts the duty of the latter. And it would be ugly to
>preach moral to a person with a disease.
>During my initiation into "holothropic breathwork", my initiator told me
>that "WHATEVER YOU EXPERIENCE IS CORRECT". This is a good example, because
>the sessions caused dramatic reactions when old frozen emotions was
>released.
>
>There is certain problems which cannot be "solved". They must be LIVED.
When
>diving into the deepest mystery - our very beeing - frozen, forgotten
>emotions, thoughts, belief-systems about ourselves and others come up. They
>are *unlived* so to say, and in our present culture it is impossible to
>*live it out* - to get rid of suppressed frustrations, depressions, anger -
>you name it - without commiting crime.
>
>To live out the *unlived* during therapy is a way to release and accept the
>*forbidden*, the *dark*, *unaccepted* sides of ourselves without *moral*
>viewpoints. To bring in *moralism* during strong techniques are not only
>stupid, it's a taboo contradicting every principle of healing.
>
>A child can burn itself on the fire because it doesn't know that the fire
is
>dangerous. And the correct way to tell people that they - unconsciously -
>cause their own misery are NOT through criticism and *moral*, but through
>loving help.
>
>Let's take a more positive view! Isn't it wonderfull that we do have the
>inherent ability to visualize things to happen? Five times, I've saved
>peoples life through remote healing, causing a sudden *quantum-leap
healing*
>of diseases of people who were *doomed to death* by the traditional
doctors.
>
>We can cause things by our visualizations without knowing it. And it is
>stupid to criticise people - bring in *moral* issues - because they did not
>
>Do you live on a place with a perfect view when looking out of the window?
>Let your left hand touch the window, and the right hand your forehead.
>Visualize the place you wan't to visit.
>Then put your right hand on the window, and the left hand on the back of
>your head.
>Then put the right hand on the forehead.
>
>Visualize a *vehicle* with an egg-formed shape. It should not have sharpe
>edges, in order not to *collide* with things in your environment.
>Visualize yourself knocking three times on the door.
>Go into these egg-shaped form, and visualize that
>"I AM THESE EGG-SHAPED VEHICLE".
>
>When diving into the theta state of consciousness, you will experience OBEs
>using these method.
>
>Similarily, use the mirror if you want to send a telepathic message.
>
>Imagine the person you want to send the message to. Imagine for example the
>person within a store. Visualize yourself going into that store saying
>something to that person. Imagine for yourself every details around the
>situation too.
>
>Repeat these process two times. That is, after the 3rd visualisation of the
>same scenario forget it completly. Do not think about it anymore. Let the
>*post office* deliver the message, and do not interfere.
>
>The Universal FORCE is completly neutral. It doesn't favorize anyone.
During
>magic work it only does what you ask about. If you ask about $1 million,
but
>just specify 1 million (that is, beeing unprecise), maybe you receive 1
>million shoes!
>
>>I looked to the Buddha to find out about illusion, he was willing to help.
>>He eventually talked about 'nothing' and I got some of it.
>>Saw that illusion was not nothing. So I dropped it.
>>Saw that something was not nothing so I dropped it.... it bounced back up.
>>When nothing makes sense, I'll have nothing to drop.
>>Leaves me empty handed.
>When we live the life of Sunnyata - Emptiness - then the mirror is clean.
>It's the good old madhyamika way of *Suchness*, the *advocaters of
>emptiness* as they called themselves - in their own special sense of
humour.
>
>*Suchness* is unexplainable. It is to live the life *just as it is* without
>beeing entrapped by names and categories and subdivisions (maya or relative
>measurements). Moralism IS maya (relative measurements), since there is
>nothing to name or categorize (*good* versus *bad*, *us* versus *them*,
>*negroes* versus *white people* etc., etc.).
>
>In Sunnyata - the empty mirror - every man and woman is a crystal, unique,
>just in the same way as a snow crystal is unique; not two alike.
>
>EVERY MAN IS A STAR !
>
>And no one - I repeat NO ONE - can replace You in the whole Universe.
>
>When we realize our own unmeasurable value, we drop every categorizes and
>are FREE. We are *Such*. A *tathagatha* - in Buddhism - means, literarily,
>*one who comes and goes SUCH* in it's own unique, un-categorizeable way.
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