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Recieved: 1999/09/29 13:51
Subject: Re: [K-list] K: Agony and Ecstasy
From: lifeshift
On 1999/09/29 13:51, lifeshift posted thus to the K-list:
Perhaps she has already had the teachings of suffering in other ways.
Perhaps she sees past the illusion of suffering. Perhaps her task is
different now, and her responsibilities different now that she does not
suffer. Perhaps schmerhaps...just some thoughts. Heather
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From: GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com <GCWein1111ATnospamaol.com>
To: KundaliniATnospamList-Server.net <KundaliniATnospamList-Server.net>
Date: Wednesday, September 29, 1999 8:55 AM
Subject: Re: [K-list] K: Agony and Ecstasy
>In a message dated 9/29/99 6:13:55 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sjamesATnospamrica.net
>writes:
>
><<
> "Kundalini seeks to purify the soul, and resolve lifetimes of Karma in
one
> lifetime.
> This can be extremely traumatic, if you have not already done considerable
> work to
> prepare for the experience".
>
> I, for one....had done my "work" previously to my first K experience,
> therefore....
> bliss and joy are MINE always and in all ways ! >>
>
> My own feeling is that given that we know that many great saints
and
>mystics of the past had to suffer through hellish k experiences, how can
one
>assume that a blissful k experience (so far) confirms that the experiencer
>has done more work or is in any other way superior to someone who is going
>thru a hellish k experience? From all of the
>supposedly great gurus who have fallen in recent years we can learn that
>apparently exalted spiritual states and achievements are often not all that
>they appear to be and often precede falls from grace. The surest
indicator
>that such a fall is likely to occur is an inflated spiritual ego, which to
>me echos in the words " l for one had done my work...therefore bliss and
joy
>are mine always..." There was a good
show
>on PBS last nite about the Pope. Although l've never been a fan of the
Pope
>or of organized religion, there were many deeply spiritual moments in that
>show and in this Pope's life and makeup. His belief in the value of
suffering
>was emphasized over and over again. Anyone who's been going thru k hell can
>relate to that. l believe suffering is one of our greatest teachers. lt is
>the way we learn compassion, and it makes sense to me that suffering is a
>valuable component of the k experience. Tremendous suffering permeates
the
>lives of great spiritual figures of the past.
> lt also makes
>sense that alot of preparation is important to a healthier k journey, but
>that doesn't mean that it insures it, or that a difficult k experience
>necessarily is the result of a lack of preparation. lf we take the above
>quote seriously - that k seeks to resolve lifetimes of karma - then we are
>forced to consider that unseen and unknowable forces are in play that our
>conscious minds cannot know and understand, much less claim to be able to
>resolve. Some of them? Maybe. All of them? l don't think so. We don't
know
>why one person has a k awakening at 18, another at 50 and another not at
all
>-- why one person's k awakens at one chakra and another person's at another
>chakra -- so how can we be so sure as to why people have such different k
>experiences? We can't. l've quoted Susan above but l want to
>make clear that l don't know you, Susan, and don't mean to make any
judgments
>about you--l'm only taking issue with the statement you made. l don't mean
to
>fuel another klist war. But there will continue to be battles over this
>subject so long as some insist that their blissful k experience is the
>result of superior merit which they've accumulated, thereby implying that
>the reverse is true for those having more difficult experiences.
>jerry
>
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