To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/09/20 10:14
Subject: Re: [K-list] seemingly stupid questions about K
From: Ville Vainio
On 1999/09/20 10:14, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:
On Mon, 20 Sep 1999, Martin Thompson wrote:
> I agree. I think this destroying of the ego business is just an Eastern
> hang-up. Surely, the point is not to destroy it, but to integrate it,
> isn't it?
It doesn't matter what the point is, it's a biological fact that the grip
of ego will be weakened with awakening of k. It's not something you have
to do or strive for, it just happens.
> >But you dont have to have awakened K to become enlightened I read
> >somewhere?
> I'm interested in hearing other people's answer to this one. What the
> heck is enlightenment anyway? As far as I can understand it, we're all
> enlightened already but most people don't know it! To me, enlightenment
IMO more complete way to say the thing you say here is that when we get
enlightened, we see there never was any enlightenment to strive for, or a
person that gets enlightenment does not exist anymore.
> seems to consist of simply being yourself and being relaxed about it.
It consists of blah and grrrraaaun, accompanied by DOH!
(Sorry, the zen got better of me ;-).
> Big deal. But if that's so, why does self-consciousness seem such a
> barrier to it when that is part of who we are too?
Part of what? What does "part of who we are" mean? This implies that there
is something that we "are", which can "contain" other things. Which is not
exactly true.
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
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