To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/09/15 07:11
Subject: Re: [K-list] Re: Deterministic mind
From: Ville Vainio
On 1999/09/15 07:11, Ville Vainio posted thus to the K-list:
On Tue, 14 Sep 1999 KungaJigmeATnospamaol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 9/14/99 7:44:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
> vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi writes:
>
> << Mathemathics can't make any statements about human mind; it simply deals
> with itself. >>
>
> Of course not. Mathematics is a language. Languages cannot make statements.
> The human mind can, however, use languages to make statements; even about
> itself. To this purpose, mathematics is as valid as any other language.
Normal languages can "reach" for human psyche, and reality, while
mathemathics, when applied correctly, cannot. Mathemathics is a vell
organized playground where nothing weird ever happens. It only plays with
it's own rules and own objects. Normal languages can do whatever the
people applying it want.
But as we know, the human languages are not too suitable for describing
reality either.
> << Determinism is not a theory, it should be regarded as an axiom. It should
> not be called determinism, it should simply be "the way things are". >>
>
> Has this been determined? ;-) Sounds a bit like painting the target after
> the arrow has struck.
As I said, it must be treated as an axiom (which is not a long shot, at
least for people with a marginal amount of sanity left).
> Okay, gotta go put out a bowl of milk for Schrodinger's cat now...or do I?
If it's still in the box, go for it.
Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
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