To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/09/14 12:13
Subject: Re: [K-list] Was mind altering substances: My Xplanation
From: Roger Bose

>From: PokimontazATnospamaol.com
>Reply-To: PokimontazATnospamaol.com
>To: HISERHATnospamsmtp.ntrust.org.uk, kundaliniATnospamlist-server.net
>Subject: Re: [K-list] Was mind altering substances: My Xplanation
>Date: Tue, 14 Sep 1999 14:45:50 EDT
>
><< I find that when a number
> of you are all in the same brain state, but working on a higher or
>altered
> level seems to open up some kind of linkage. It is as if when a number
>of
> people in close relation reach a high enough state brought on by
> physchotropics, communication can be very different, facial
> expressions, body movements and silent thoughts seem to be
> recognised and aknowledged more easily. >>

Yep, go to a rave. This state is very healing because it shows us directly
that we are all of one spirit.

<http://www.csp.org/nicholas/A49.html> : Trance Majick

<http://www.csp.org/nicholas/A55.html> : Rave in a Monestary

<http://www.csp.org/nicholas/A63.html> : Rave as a Meditation

>
>I believe that we are all connected to some degree. Through evolution we
>have become less releint on this connection for our general well being,
>most
>of us then push this connection behind us and kinda forget that we have it.
>Or when hints of this connection manifest themselves we ignore them. Our
>minds and bodies are complicated works that are here for the purpose of
>survival...some of the techniques we are equipped with are inate or hidden
>now. Kinda like the back up programs which run the program u are looking
>at
>now. We don't see all the back up programs needed for it but if you were
>to
>accidently erase them then you would be SCREWED!
>
>Noone can say for sure what drugs do to a persons conscious. We can say
>what
>happens physiologically and somewhat see through the physical
>manifestations
>and actions while on drugs what happens INSIDE the brain but all these
>things
>are hidden where no experimentation can see. It is possible that these
>drugs open up some part of the brain which would otherwise block the
>connection. Remember the connection is always there it is just locked
>inside. The drug acts as a key to open some doors. Once a person sees
>that
>the door is open there is no further need to use the drug...which is what i
>feel attributes to people not wanting exterior alteration afetr K
>awakening.
>The drug did its part and is no longer needed.
>
>
><<<These substances play with the head(imagination) much more. I would
>definitely say that unless you are very comfortable and used to tripping
>DO NOT try any form of meditation whilst under the influence. I feel that
>the imagination can be a powerfull thing and NO body should try creating
>an altered state within this altered state i.e meditation (Unless you
>understand your imagination well enough to be able to tell the
>difference). >>>
>
>This is very good advise indeed. Drugs are not the way to find your K and
>i
>hope from the past few listings noone has gotten that idea. They can't
>magically do something in your body and the next day you will feel
>AWAKENED!
> Drugs are dangerous, dealers sometimes use fillers which react badly with
>the active ingredients or act as actives themselves. When putitng your
>mind
>under the influence of ANY altered state you must take care and be STABLE.
>Thats why its called ALTERED....cuz its NOT NORMAL and you never know
>whats
>going to happen :) Excess drug use, I believe, in an attempt to be
>meditated creates a dependence on the mind and body on the drug and
>meditative staes become increasingly difficult. Drugs make reaching these
>states easier...that is their nature as drugs.....and the brain then relies
>on their "crutch." Kinda like if you dig a hole with a shovel; you become
>reliant on the shovel for all holes.

Again you are advocating a split with Humans and the Plant World. Why do we
do this? Why do we consider ourselves seperate from the world around us? I
am suggesting a world in which humans live with plants and not think them as
seperate. Many Shamans of tribes consider the plant to be a "Teacher."
Plant Teachers. Why is this so foreign?

It makes them easier to dig and you
>either CAN'T dig or dont want to dig without them. It makes me wonder
>later
>if you can dig without them at all.
>
>These have been the independent and subjective stories of fellow Kundalites
>(as my few K active friends call us) and their respective views on drug
>use.
> Each of them has become comfortable with themselves and their drug of
>choice...or lack of drug of choice. And as I know we are all opinionated
>at
>times and tend to disagree...if anyone has opinions on anything ive said
>email me...public or private i dont care =) Contradictions help each of us
>to reevaluate our theories and come to better conclusions...if there were
>no
>contradictions the earth would be flat and the sun would reveolve around
>us.
>
>
>thanks all,
>
>LyN

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