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Recieved: 1999/09/14 10:40
Subject: Deterministic mind (was Re: [K-list] Mathematics ?
From: Ville Vainio

On Tue, 14 Sep 1999, Jacques de Schryver et Linda Steven wrote:

> So here is some modification (included in parenthesis)
> to what was quoted :
>
> 'and that the human mind cannot be a (only) mechanical
> deterministic (evolving) system because any theory which
> states that it is must (Lol) be mathematically
> inconsistent'.

Mathemathics can't make any statements about human mind; it simply deals
with itself.

The writer of the original text you quoted is actually a mechanical
deterministic process that is happening; even a simple computer program
can print the text "I print, therefore I am (undeterministic)". A computer
program could even start to build a database about the proof of it's
undeterministic nature, without ever realizing how false it's conclusions
are.

It's sad to see streaks of dna trying to convince (convincing is yet
another deterministic process) that it is something else. Determinism is
not a theory, it should be regarded as an axiom. It should not be called
determinism, it should simply be "the way things are".

I'm a little bit fanatical about this issue, it's because determinism has
been downplayed so many times by so many false statements (and bad science
fiction ;-). I have aired my lungs about this issue a little bit more in
my website, at

http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio/k/determ.htm

Ville Vainio - vvainioATnospamtp.spt.fi http://www.tp.spt.fi/~vvainio
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