To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/09/09 16:45
Subject: Re: [K-list] Sex or Celibacy
From: Shy Person
On 1999/09/09 16:45, Shy Person posted thus to the K-list:
Nice post, Angelique. I especially respond to your discussion of the heart
chakra. On the list last week El and Black Swan wrote about issues of
divine love, and one of them, I think it was El, said it is surprising love
comes up as a topic so seldom on the list. Black Swan spoke of longing for
that divine love, and El responded that the work of this chakra is
difficult and often painful, saying there are no simple ways to merge with
that oneness.
(I hope I am remembering this reasonably well and not mis-attributing
anything to anyone.)
I bring all this up as I have been wondering if anyone on the list has
found good methods for working with the heart chakra and increasing this
capacity for wide, encompassing love? For me it seems the things you and
El described work best: loving service to others. On the other end of the
scale--sort of quick-fix--an ayurvedic physician prescribed some herbs to
me a year ago which focused on the heart, and during the 3 months I took
them I worked through a great amount of stored grief, really cleared out
some stuff at a rapid pace. The experience consisted of fairly rapid and
intense cycles of a new kind of blissful joy, and intense feelings of grief
and sadness, associated with both recent and distant loss. The capacity
for openness and loving feelings for others increased through this process.
(If anyone wants more information on these herbs or this doctor, let me
know.)
On the topic of Gandhi--
> Ghandi may have taken up celibacy later, but he was married and had 4
>children.
He began to practice celibacy within his marriage after the 4th child,
following k awakening at the age of 37. He was living in South Africa
then, just beginning to develop the ideas of satyagraha which became such a
living force later in his work in India. _Gandhi the Man_. by Eknath
Easwaren (Nilgiri Press) is a very nice book on this topic.
Jill
>>A= "> I agree.. trying to skip over the lower chakra issues in favor of
>>the
>>> higher ones tends to result in a "fair weather" spirituality, that folds
>>> under pressure.
>>~~*+M~*
>> I agree also.....but once the lower has been worked out then it is
>>time to start climbing upward,evolution, yes?
>>Blessings to all,
>>+ Maureen
>
> LOL!! I am a kinder garden teacher. I specialize in lower-chakra
>issues, sex and power, and I live in the heart. Were I unfamiliar with the
>higher chakra issues, I'd not be able to rhapsodise, and to recognise that
>the rhapsodies I speak of can only be understood by those who have
>experienced them. The upper chakra issues cannot be taught.
>
> Perhaps I would have become celibate by now, if not for "the work I've
>taken on", Activism for sexual freedom.. which Goddes gave back to me on
>National TV, last time I surrendered it. I can take a hint, I am exactly
>where I need to be. Working out the lower chakra issues on a cultural
>scale, bit by bit.
> Kundalini feels sexual when it first gets going, for most folks, and
>cultural sexual repression means that this can be very troubling for those
>experiencing it who come from a repressive background, and especially for
>those with unusual sexual orientations who are repressed by cultural
>prejudice and guilt, as well. I am not gonna build more of that by
>repressing them, I give them what they hunger for, so they can get past it.
>
> Unmet needs become obsessions that drain energy from other pursuits. I'm
>like the Salvation Army.. Feed them first, then they will hold still to be
>preached at..;) I'm not gonna sit in judgment from above, I'm gonna meet
>people where they are at, with empathy and *then* lead them higher. I
>accept the sexual energy I am offered, and transform it. Making use of the
>strongest bodily drive as a motive and energy source to rise higher.
>Goddess provides.. one can view sexuality as temptation to be conquered, or
>one can surrender to it's impulses as Divine, and let the energy carry you
>higher.
>
> To qualify this, I'll add that for most of my slave-students, intercourse
>is not #1 on their list of "sexual" activities, in the first place.
>*Denial* is erotic for them, and so is control and torture and bondage. or
>worshipping my feet.
> In any given sexual situation, they are likely to put my pleasure above
>their own, because that is the nature of their sexual orientation... and
>since my own drives are mostly moot, it is up to my discernment of their
>needs to decide whether to reflect their passion back to them, in whatever
>form that is fantasy-fulfillment or masochistic needs.. or to lead them
>into a non sexual situation that will help them to grow in other directions.
> I am in service to the needs of my slaves, that's leadership. Sometimes
>they need to hear an "I love you" on the intimacy of their inner sexual
>being, to maintain the well being that makes a spiritual path tenable.
> 2 hugs a day for good mental health.. people need to be touched, to feel
>loved, and love does the rest.
>
> If I do decide to focus entirely on my own sexual pleasure, it is highly
>unlikely that my partner(s) will be able to really keep up.. a few of my
>more advanced slaves could, but the newer students.. nope. I move up the
>chakras with each orgasm, till finally all chakras are blasting with
>greater intensity each time, and the orgasms themselves are all joined
>together.. and it comes down to how much bliss the vessels can endure.
>
> It's funny, but teaching people to expand their limitations for pain is
>dead easy compared to expanding their limits for bliss. Bliss taken to
>extremes becomes a torture all itself. Hard to explain.
>
> My favorite solo Extended ecstasy location is in my shower.. and Tantric
>unity with the intensity of that energy has had many slaves begging me to
>"please stop having orgasms, Mystress" coz empathy with it was making them
>feel faint, or they get sick or dizzy or nauseous with overload barfing
>Kriyas. Generally, at that point we are not touching each other physically,
>at all.. the connection is entirely empathic.
> Energy overload means a lot of stuff comes up to be cleared at once.
>Barfing Kriyas are coughing up the "shit" that they swallowed.. releasing
>cultural negative ideas. The carrot of sexual pleasure leads them to a
>place of harsh but massive cleansing.
> I can also judge exactly how much stuff there is yet to clear in
>someone, even by remote, with a slave somewhere on the other side of the
>planet.. by how violent the thrashing Kriyas I get are, when I am unified
>with them in my extended pleasure. The sexual focus is used to raise the
>energy, but the energy goes to work clearing blockages.
>
> If I disconnect from them and keep climbing higher on my own, most
>likely I'll be fluorescing blue and vanishing by the time I come out,
>breathing will seem un-necessary, and there will be a thunderstorm.
> I can raise a lot of energy in meditation, and do a lot of work by OBE..
>but thought-word-deed.. getting all systems involved is much stronger. It's
>an easier focus for my ADD brain, to let the body lead.
> Blessings..
>
>
>
>
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