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Recieved: 1999/09/09 13:19
Subject: Re: [K-list] Sex or Celibacy
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
On 1999/09/09 13:19, Mystress Angelique Serpent posted thus to the K-list:
At 01:27 AM 9/9/99 , Maureen Heffernan wrote:
> What I see you both saying and what I have experienced with celibacy
>is that the NEED lessens or there is a conscious choice to redirect it
>towards the higher centers. As Chris worded it,, A communion of
>consciousness. A "living in the crown", which is the outcome once the
>life is directed there.There's two different types of letters I am
>reading here.One is clearing the lower chakras then opening and living
>in the heart,then proceeding towards the crown and the other appears to
>be living in and using the sexual centers for a boost of bliss.
I am not sure how you came to that interpretation.. perhaps I was not
clear? I would say that one path is clearing *all* the chakras then
returning to live in the heart, where another is skipping the lower
centers, and living in the head.
I find that folks who live in the heart are more compassionate, more
willing to get their hands dirty with the cares of regular folks. Ghandi
was willing to wade in to the arena of British exploitation, where another,
crown oriented Guru might have told seekers not to trouble him with the
detritus of Maya.
Many of the ancient texts make it clear.. once K.'s work is done, the
consciousness comes down to rest in the heart-center. If it is stuck in
crown escapism, then you are not done, yet. The unified bliss above the
crown is where we come from, but we incarnate to be here now, loving each
other.. chop wood carry water.
Many of the lower chakra issues are "of the body" .. they come up in
situations, are triggered experientially, not in meditation. Ghandi knew,
he needed to feel the body respond to the women's presence in his bed to
find and clear out the remaining sexual issues. Meditation alone would not
clear them.
>I don't
>think they are the same, as where you mention Mother Theresa and
>Ghandi.I read Ghandi.
Yes, they are examples of enlightened beings who lived in the heart, not
the head.
When you are in your crown chakra, you are not actually in your body.. so
of course you cannot have empathy with those who are suffering, (as He did
to move him to such courageous acts of civil disobedience) except in an
abstract sense of unconditional love.
Unconditional love and compassion are not the same thing. Compassion
requires empathy with the suffering of others, that motivates action, and
that does not happen in the crown. It is a heart function.
I leave my body all the time, especially writing these posts. After a
particularly long and powerful writing session, all night at the keyboard,
I will come back to a body that is complaining of fatigue and thirst and
hunger, and sore muscles...
I don't feel that stuff if I'm in my crown, or if I'm in my third eye
scrying or out of my body in someone else's head.. I don't feel physical
empathy with the suffering of others, to offer compassion, either.. Tho
compassion may have been the motive for me to go leave my body to write.
To grasp the higher wisdom and bring it down into a form reflected of the
person I am responding to, to give them comfort.
Unconditional love feels like nothing, because sensation is a form that
requires polarity. In a state of unconditional love, as a clear channel of
the Divine, I am a grey alien with no emotions of my own, at all. It is
empathy with the joy of the recipients, to whom the unconditional love
takes the form of whatever they need, shaped into form by the shadows of
their own polarity... that is blissful.
.
druid will come to speak to me, when I am at my computer, and he knows if
I have a faraway look in my eye, that I am not actually present and likely
am not really hearing him. If I come back into my body to be present for
him, likely his hug will make me realize I am hungry, or I have a headache
from staring at the computer too long, or whatever... he brings me back
into my body.. all my slaves do. It is one way they take care of me.. their
needs make me take better care of myself.
Since I was a daydreaming ADD child, it has been easy for me to escape
the body, into the catatonic stillness of altered states, and that ability
allowed me to float thru a childhood that would otherwise be considered
pretty scary.
It takes mindfulness to stay in the heart, and be here now. The total
mindfulness of the body that is extended sexual ecstasy, feeds my
chi-prana-K-fire circuits in the body, in a way that OBE trips to Oneness
do not.
I know that I need to do more Hatha Yoga, to stretch out this body that
spends too much time unoccupied, at a desk... I used to do it often,
learned it in High School.. but for myself I am not motivated. I want
nothing. I have realized that one of my slaves needs to learn yoga, so I am
drawn back into doing it, by teaching her.
Net surfing today, I came across a quote from Ghandi, on a page of quotes
about leadership:
>A mother brought her son to Mahatma Ghandi. She begged, "Please, Mahatma.
Tell
>my son to stop eating sugar." Mahatma paused, then said, "Bring your son
back in
>two weeks." Puzzled, the woman thanked him and said that she would do as he
>asked.
>
>Two weeks later, she returned with her son. Ghandi looked the youngster in
the eye
>and said, "Stop eating sugar." Grateful but bewildered, the woman asked,
"Why did
>you tell me to bring him back in two weeks? You could have told him the
same thing
>then." Ghandi replied, "Two weeks ago, I was eating sugar."
>
>Dan Millman from 'Way of the Peaceful Warrior' 1980, 1984
LOL!! It's beautiful.. Ghandi obviously did not have any judgments about
eating sugar, but he went into the Mother's concerns and the boy's
deprivation himself, before he could look the boy in the eye and give an
order. That's heart-empathy leadership.
>I read that he used to have women lie on either
>side of him over night so he could pratice controlling himself.
I think that's pretty funny.. obviously his sexual issues were not fully
cleared, if he felt the need to test himself like that. He knew there was
still a struggle going on, in the body that needed to be faced,
*situationally* to be released fully.
Ghandi may have taken up celibacy later, but he was married and had 4
children.
>A= "> I agree.. trying to skip over the lower chakra issues in favor of
>the
>> higher ones tends to result in a "fair weather" spirituality, that folds
>> under pressure.
>~~*+M~*
> I agree also.....but once the lower has been worked out then it is
>time to start climbing upward,evolution, yes?
>Blessings to all,
>+ Maureen
LOL!! I am a kinder garden teacher. I specialize in lower-chakra
issues, sex and power, and I live in the heart. Were I unfamiliar with the
higher chakra issues, I'd not be able to rhapsodise, and to recognise that
the rhapsodies I speak of can only be understood by those who have
experienced them. The upper chakra issues cannot be taught.
Perhaps I would have become celibate by now, if not for "the work I've
taken on", Activism for sexual freedom.. which Goddes gave back to me on
National TV, last time I surrendered it. I can take a hint, I am exactly
where I need to be. Working out the lower chakra issues on a cultural
scale, bit by bit.
Kundalini feels sexual when it first gets going, for most folks, and
cultural sexual repression means that this can be very troubling for those
experiencing it who come from a repressive background, and especially for
those with unusual sexual orientations who are repressed by cultural
prejudice and guilt, as well. I am not gonna build more of that by
repressing them, I give them what they hunger for, so they can get past it.
Unmet needs become obsessions that drain energy from other pursuits. I'm
like the Salvation Army.. Feed them first, then they will hold still to be
preached at..;) I'm not gonna sit in judgment from above, I'm gonna meet
people where they are at, with empathy and *then* lead them higher. I
accept the sexual energy I am offered, and transform it. Making use of the
strongest bodily drive as a motive and energy source to rise higher.
Goddess provides.. one can view sexuality as temptation to be conquered, or
one can surrender to it's impulses as Divine, and let the energy carry you
higher.
To qualify this, I'll add that for most of my slave-students, intercourse
is not #1 on their list of "sexual" activities, in the first place.
*Denial* is erotic for them, and so is control and torture and bondage. or
worshipping my feet.
In any given sexual situation, they are likely to put my pleasure above
their own, because that is the nature of their sexual orientation... and
since my own drives are mostly moot, it is up to my discernment of their
needs to decide whether to reflect their passion back to them, in whatever
form that is fantasy-fulfillment or masochistic needs.. or to lead them
into a non sexual situation that will help them to grow in other directions.
I am in service to the needs of my slaves, that's leadership. Sometimes
they need to hear an "I love you" on the intimacy of their inner sexual
being, to maintain the well being that makes a spiritual path tenable.
2 hugs a day for good mental health.. people need to be touched, to feel
loved, and love does the rest.
If I do decide to focus entirely on my own sexual pleasure, it is highly
unlikely that my partner(s) will be able to really keep up.. a few of my
more advanced slaves could, but the newer students.. nope. I move up the
chakras with each orgasm, till finally all chakras are blasting with
greater intensity each time, and the orgasms themselves are all joined
together.. and it comes down to how much bliss the vessels can endure.
It's funny, but teaching people to expand their limitations for pain is
dead easy compared to expanding their limits for bliss. Bliss taken to
extremes becomes a torture all itself. Hard to explain.
My favorite solo Extended ecstasy location is in my shower.. and Tantric
unity with the intensity of that energy has had many slaves begging me to
"please stop having orgasms, Mystress" coz empathy with it was making them
feel faint, or they get sick or dizzy or nauseous with overload barfing
Kriyas. Generally, at that point we are not touching each other physically,
at all.. the connection is entirely empathic.
Energy overload means a lot of stuff comes up to be cleared at once.
Barfing Kriyas are coughing up the "shit" that they swallowed.. releasing
cultural negative ideas. The carrot of sexual pleasure leads them to a
place of harsh but massive cleansing.
I can also judge exactly how much stuff there is yet to clear in
someone, even by remote, with a slave somewhere on the other side of the
planet.. by how violent the thrashing Kriyas I get are, when I am unified
with them in my extended pleasure. The sexual focus is used to raise the
energy, but the energy goes to work clearing blockages.
If I disconnect from them and keep climbing higher on my own, most
likely I'll be fluorescing blue and vanishing by the time I come out,
breathing will seem un-necessary, and there will be a thunderstorm.
I can raise a lot of energy in meditation, and do a lot of work by OBE..
but thought-word-deed.. getting all systems involved is much stronger. It's
an easier focus for my ADD brain, to let the body lead.
Blessings..
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