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Recieved: 1999/09/02 14:34
Subject: Re: [K-list] Enlightened love
From: Blackswan
On 1999/09/02 14:34, Blackswan posted thus to the K-list:
> Regarding: " Until we have reached that kind of self-detachment and
> unconditional love, I don't think we can honestly claim to be enlightened. Yet
> not being enlightened doesn't mean we don't have any valid insights, it just
> means we're still learning."
> -- El
Very interesting observations. But, friends, isn't this egoless and
unconditional love really supernatural? That is, we cannot "achieve" it and
something indeed from "up above" has to intervene
to "implant" its heart into ours. THEN we have this incorruptible heart you
pointed to. But just what is that something? Is it god / goddess? Personal or
impersonal? Do these "entities" comprise themselves of our own personality's
projections or is there real "persons" out there which which to truly interact.
Even Angelique's grounding site speaks of energetic love and life beams from up
above, but in this kind of grounding has any truly personal connection
transpired? Sure, we have some sort of relationship with what's "beyond" or
"above" and have all kinds of guesses and experiences we are grappling to
categorize into 'Hindu deities" and "higher selves" but is this relationship
with the beyond truly personal or does it involve a loss of personality. This,
of course, makes a distinction between ego and personality -- who we are and how
we sometimes behave. It seems to me that the best we can do is to be authentic
about how inauthentic our love mostly is. And then, if we still hunger for a
genuine love to transform our hearts, to ask for PERSONAL intervention from "The
Most." Said another way, we ask for God to live His love in and through us
because ours is a twisted reflection and not enough. Then we know love because
we know Him -- we know love itself, not just love as beams of light energy and
enlivened momentary feelings, but personal, real, face-to-face, and
person-to-person (entity to entity?) connection with personal love such that
they are experientially knowns instead of conceptual or ethereal.
I am arguing for a personal relationship with the Being who IS love, not with
the effects / symptoms (light beams, radiant heart, increased sensitivity and
acceptance) of that Being. There is something much more direct and personal
possible, that I assert, if we truly know THAT, the rest of the semantics would
fall away in such self-evident truth. There just has to be something more
personal for which we were designed than relating with enigmatic lights,
energies, and entities. Something so incontrovertibly real that we know we
belong. Something that offers the possibility of this enlightened love of which
you speak really living through us instead of trying to re-connect to some
momentary past peak experience. Then loving becomes actually ego-less, because
it is never about me as an ego but only about me as a conduit of it!
What do you all think of the following progression?
* I cannot love as I sense I was designed to and I sense that something more
must be possible.
* I find myself incapable of both giving and receiving love to the degree that I
crave it. "Trying" does not solve anything and my most mystical experience seems
distorted by my own preconceived notions.
* I can love with pure love only to the degree that love finds me, loves me, and
then, as a conscious recipient of divine love, flows through me simply to make a
lasting difference that is not even about me as any autonomous ego, but is about
me as in my eternal purpose.
* I can only acknowledge my own heart that actually blocks and withholds this
love and surrender it to the Person who is the fountainhead of living love,
saying "I need your indestructible heart that is as strong as it is tender;
please connect me to You and Your heart in the most intimate and glorious way
possible."
* Now I really have love and can give it freely without the blocks of insecurity
because my love does not make me more right than you, only more alive, in a way
that I reach out to others, not to invalidate, but to offer a tangible
demonstration of this love in time and space. My motivation? The sheer and
shameless delight of sharing that same life so others can enjoy this heart.
-- black swan
I used to think that being nice to people and feeling nice was loving people.
Now I know it isn't. Love is the most immense unselfishness and it is so big
I've never touched it. -- Florence Allshorn
Christianity did not come in order to develop the heroic virtues in the
individual but rather to remove self-centeredness and establish love. -- Soren
Kierkegaard
Natural men have no higher principle in their hearts than self-love. And herein
do they do not excell the devils. The devils love themselves and love their own
happiness and are afraid of their own misery. And the devils would be as
religious as the best of natural man if they were in the same circumstances. --
Jonathan Edwards
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