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Recieved: 1999/08/28 22:07
Subject: Re: [K-list] Entities
From: Sirach9310
On 1999/08/28 22:07, Sirach9310 posted thus to the K-list:
In a message dated 8/28/99 6:35:57 PM Pacific Daylight Time, DruoutATnospamaol.com
writes:
<< Dear List,
Since we are on the subject of entities (the latest issue of Shared
Transformation also has a short section on demonic attacks), I'd love to
know
how many of us have had experiences with them and whether or not they have
been positive, negative, or both. This isn't really a poll--though I'll
tally if there are lots of responses, but this issue fascinates me.
In this issue (#41) El writes "Demons sometimes use astral sex with humans
as
a way of stealing energy for themselves. Any entity who makes threats
against us (or against other people), who taunts or molests us, or who
encourages us to take an inflated view of ourselves is a messenger from the
lowest astral realms."
This has not been my experience--(At least I don't think so :)). ) I have
felt that the "sexual entities" simply desire to give (and perhaps take)
pleasure--(although I admit there was one rather outrageous jokester in the
batch). I feel that it is my brain trying to explain in metaphor the
pleasure that the energy is giving me. I wonder whether, perhaps, that it
is
the refusal to surrender to this part of our psyche that gives the
problems--translating them into a negative, rather than positive force. I
agree, of course, that we must be careful not to agree to comply if the
entity tells us to do something which is against our conscious.
Any comments?
Love, Hillary
>>
Hello Hillary and all.This is an interesting subject.It is one I have some
experience with.First of all I want to say I am not completely satisfied
with the explanations over the many years that I have come to in regards to
the mental,astral,causal realms nor am I satisfied with all the language
about kundalini and thats probably because im just stupid and it just doesnt
sink in or perhaps we shouldn't rely on every source of information as exact
unadultered truth.Anyways ,I believe a lot of these night attacks during the
sleep state are mostly symbolism that the transpersonal,behaviorial
psychologist can explain for the most part.I have tryed to explain some of
these entitie atacks which use to bother me to some christian contemplatives
and they thought I had gone off the deep end..Well I don't deny that either
:-)
My experience with night attacks by over whelming entities were of the type
that seemed angry,very powerful as though they wanted to consume me,harm
me,kill me..I found out after many years that what I was experiencing was
trickered by sleep paralysis or hypnogocik (sp) trance and these happened at
the earliest age of 3 or 4.I began to have a lot of them in the 1980 s when
beginning to pass through some of my more anal retentivness in regards to my
Christian views and understandings coupled together with an intense libido
the harder I tryed to understand where I was interms of my own spiritual
place,,,,the harder I tryed to muster up a sense of honesty about what I was
seeing as truth the more these entities would attack..They haven't showed up
in a very long time and I have even invited them to.My experiendes consist
pretty much like this,,,,,,,,,,,,
After dropping off to sleep ,most often usually in a stress ful state,one
with many questions and doubts about my self and truth as I was percieving it
even in the face of opposition.falling to sleep,hearing and senseing a
crackling sound, a spinning sensation,buzzing.....very high buzzing I would
awaken but I could not move my body,I thought I was either dying or had just
died.There was immense fear,a entity would come to my presence not visually
but sometimes just a great presence.Sometimes there would be voices laughing
at me withing this crackling and buzzing sensation.The presence would usually
appear to be about 3 or 4 feet to my left.I was so frightened the only way I
could get rid of it was simply say Jesus.All though I was screaming his name
at the tops of my lungs it would appear really muffled and my wife ltying
next to me finally learned when I was in this place and shale me
awake.Sometimes she couldn't hear me or knew what was happening at all.After
many repeated sleep paralysis experienmces like this I began to take some
notes and draw attention to the clock on my dresser in which I could confirm
that my sleep paralysis state with attention and ability to see around in my
room was one of not mere sleep .Some times I could have a visual of the full
room and see the clock and upon waking physically and mentally the time would
be exact. I noted these entities sp experiences usually usually would come on
as I said when opposing the status quo,feeling rejected and abandonned by
certain christian brothers and sisters because of my holding to truths as I
was seeing them..I can see now that these entities were parts of my own
psyche as I would often fall in to sympathy towards devils or demons and
other human beings who would suffer hell and the lower realms becuase of
their weakness to body sensation,sensual primal pleasure,SEX ...I could not
understand nor accept that they would be in some eternal torment place
because of their weakness or typhonic behavior and knew that biblical
scriptures only hinted at and lead people to the understanding of what hell
really even is.Anyways my last experience was about two years ago when One
Very powerful entitie appeared as usual.......after a spinning
sensation,light electrical crackling noise..This sucker was the biggest one
yet.He?it?she?whatever apeared in presence to my left of my bed.I immediately
began to recite psalm 139 almost verbatim and the jest of this my thoughts
was Jesus you know me,You know everything about me and you know I can not
accept this wonderful fundmental christian view of salvation through your
death.I am tired of coming to you like a child coming to Santa Claus.I am not
going to gave in this time to saying your name to ward off demons.In fact I
may even be a demon my self.I have surely committed some of the greatest
astral sex violations.I am no different then they are. I am weak.I am
nothing..This powerful presence moved around at this time to the foot of my
bed and I simply said this prayer and at the time not even knowing it was the
great prayer of the Desert Fathers...I said Jesus son of God if you see fit
that demon consume me...so be it.Have mercy on me.t these words this demon
turned to what I knew was my guide or guarding angel so it might seem.I will
not be arrogant to say so it is..It just seemed that way because it pulled me
out of my feet and I was hgurled into space even beyond relative space.I
could even see the stars all merging into one light as I was in this warp
speed place.I came to a greyish,misty white substance and rested here.I had
never experienced love and bliss that I could ever recall in my life but yet
it didn't appear to be unfamiliar at all..I have no other word to explain
this other than I was in the bossom of God.It communicated to me from
being,not thought or perhaps some finer level of thought or telepathy and
this is what it said.
It said what you are experiencing is what you are and what everyone else is
and it is all part of me.I said I will teach you but you have to
listen,Listen,Listen closely.
I then immediately woke to the singing birds and the morning breeze coming
through my window.I was so over whelemed I was balling like a baby. It seemed
that I had passed through some kind of initiation or baptism of fire ( the
holy spirit). My body was light for days and felt so much love for everyone
for days as if I could feel and sense them in my heart as myself.I then knew
that most christians or at least many were suffering in a hell of their own
and that many new agers were yet not being serious about their own
spirituality and at the same time I knew with out a doubt that no one,nothing
was ever lost or ever abandonned.
I have never heard from this entity again and I even invite it to visit but
it just never comes around any more :-)
This could be>>>>Any entity who makes threats
against us (or against other people), who taunts or molests us, or who
encourages us to take an inflated view of ourselves is a messenger from the
lowest astral realms."
You have to simply be honest with your self.You are where you are and you are
the one who has to take account for what you see as truth .In the christian
contemplative spirituality such as with Teresa of Avila and John of the cross
any type of allocution,visions corpereality wise or non corpereality wise and
consolations of spirit,Bliss,ecstatic union are in the 4th mansion of seven
mansions of the Interior Castle.What may seem real today may be tomorrows
illusion.God/Godess,devis,devas ,angels ,aliens if thats your inclination
bless you with the light and truth. Alan Kuntz
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