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To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/08/26 09:39
Subject: Re: [[K-list] web-site referral/comments]
From: Bob Maurer


On 1999/08/26 09:39, Bob Maurer posted thus to the K-list:

"MadhyaNandi MadhyaNandi" <madhyanandiATnospamhotmail.com> wrote:
Friends;

Bob drew members attention to a website. I took a rather quick look, and
I'll use my soap box time to explain.

"CONSCIOUSNESS IS ORIGINALLY CLEAR & STILL, BUT MEN DO NOT ORDINARILY
REALIZE THIS AND RECOGNIZE THOUGHT TO BE THEIR CONSCIOUSNESS, AND BY THIS
MISTAKEN IMPRESSION THEY BECOME NEEDLESSLY CONFUSED & AGITATED BY THOUGHT."
Jan Cox

This is the quote that introduces viewers to the site.

A) There is NO, absolutely NO 'original consciousness.' There is no
'original' anything. We experience what we experience. How we interpret
that experience, no matter the variety thereof, will always be a SUBJECTIVE
  

 Hi,

 Thanks for the comments. I think though, that there is
 a difference between the word "originally" as used in
 the passage you quoted above: "Consciousness is originally
 clear and still..." and your term "'original consciousness'"
 whatever that may be. I believe he was refering to
 consciousness in a person, such as a child, not some abstract
 concept, or some universal level. Understand, I am not, nor do I
wish to defend Jan Cox. But what he said clearly has nothing
 to do with you comment on "'original consciousness'".

 I am curious as to why you believe that "there is no 'original'
 anything." I mean there was an original bicycle, and an
 original atomic detonation, there are original manuscripts, etc.
 Perhaps you refer to the secondary definition of "original"
 which means nonderivative? Clearly this is not the way
 he is using the term "orginally", this is evident from the
 context of the sentence.

 Your juxtaposition of "original" and "subjective"
 is baffling. Did you perhaps mean objective instead of original?
 Because the qualities of originality and subjectivity are
 in no meaningful way mutually exclusive, are they?

 I enjoyed most of what you had to say.

 Thank you for your opinions. You clearly put a lot
 of energy into your response.

 If anyone else has a comment on Cox's website or Carlos Dwa's
 I would be most interested.
 Once again thank you for any time or energy spent in
 sharing your impressions with me. I value them.

 
 http://www.jancox.com/index.htm

 http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/umbada/dwa2.htm

 Just another,
 Bob

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