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Recieved: 1999/07/31 15:30
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From: A. Erhart
On 1999/07/31 15:30, A. Erhart posted thus to the K-list:
On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:11:11 Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> The K-list went down yesterday afternoon.. I dunno why, but it's back up
>now, so here is a collection of the missing mail.
Thanks for resending, Mystress. :))
>From: "Christopher Wynter" <wynterATnospambigpond.com>
>Subject: Celibacy ... Women ... and Men
>The truth of celibacy ....
>has been lost within the dogma of western mystecism
Yes, like so much else through the misuse of power
in the Occident. :(
>Celibacy as it is most often seen ...
>is the 'enforced' denial of external sexual response ...
>people saw celibacy as a means of control and regulation ...
>so it became a mandatory discipline ...
Yes, yes and yes !
>primarily because the energy of 'divinity expressed through being'
>
>arouses first within 'other' the base/sacral region ...
>and this is interpreted by 'other' as a sexual response ...
>
>which can lead to the 'priest/master/guru', if not yet fully aware ...
>taking sexual advantage of 'the other' ...
>because he mis-interprets his feeling as a sexual reaction
>rather than an empathetic response and he
>feels the other's body through his/her own.
Yes, exactly. :)
>For one on the spiritual path to enforce 'celibacy' on the path (without the
>conscious understanding of why) is to immediately go into denial of their own
>'sexuality' ... and their 'lifeforce' energy ... of which sexuality is the
>outward and downward expression ...
I was told today when ashamed of my own sexuality and
the things I have done in pursuit of pleasure,
to the detriment of others,
asking that Goddess take it away:
"This is just as much a part of you like everything
else. It is part of the Self".
The lesson was learned;
Without the 1st and the 2nd chakra utilized and
activated, you get nowhere.
The need for sex is the basic need for love is the
want to get back to the Source...
as I see and have experienced it. :)
Nothing to be ashamed of, but it must be used the
"correct" way. :)
>because in western society, we have been taught that we should not feel
>anything
>in our bodies from the neck down ...
LOL !!! That is true !
>The cosmic joke is that the true HEART
>
>can only be fully opened by energy rising from the base ...
>and that energy coming from above ...
>will only give you half a heart ...
>
>True gentleness can only be built on a firm >foundation ...
Yes. :)))
>08:06:02 Thu, 29 Jul 1999
>>One hypnotist who wrote a book on regression therapy says that's what she
>>uses it for - therapy. As therapy it works, she says... it's another
>>matter whether any particular "memory" is a true memory.
>>
>In a way, and as you said in the bit I just snipped (!) it may still
>work as therapy. I've regressed myself and the "memories" were relevant
>to my problems in my current life. Finding this out is part of the point
>of regression anyway: it provides another perspective on today's
>problems or opportunities. What I imagined I was thinking and feeling,
>looking back on my previous life as I lay on my deathbed, was an
>excellent mirror for my weaknesses of thought in my everyday life here
>and now. Whether the memories were real or not didn't really matter
>(although believing that they're real probably potentises the thoughts
>somewhat for some people).
>--
>Martin Thompson martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk
(To share:)
Yes, I must say I agree with this stance.
K gave some very interesting knowledge about
possible pasts and also a possible future,
right when it became overtly active.
I do not know if these were real past lives or
just very complex lessons for learning about the
spiritual process and reduce fear, reeling me in
neuron by neuron, I only know that it helped a lot.
It was extremely useful.
The degree of knowledge of self could never be
imparted any other way to a "practicing atheist". :)
Angels and demons would have been dismissed as
"rubbish" as were most of the visions I was plagued
with. I thought I was at the brink of psychosis
only funny how it seemed to be connected to
theb monthly cycle. Every fortnight, the little
black spiders and funny monsters would appear
in the corners of my eyes and a deep emotion would
reverberate slowly through the body, causing me to
think I was hopelessly addicted to my own endorphins.
As Martin, I have seen myself on the deathbed, getting
the last rites when someone erroneously thought
death was imminent. I knew it wasn't. The sting of
death has been diminshed greatly.
The past life stuff have illustrated I was and
did just about anything in the past. It really
opened my eyes to the idea of the Self. Without the
illustrative lessons, the whole idea would have been
shirked. When I acknowledged the idea, the "past lives"
disappeared. For some time, the memories came in
clusters whenever I sat down or relaxed. At one point
I feared going to sleep knowing what would come.
I think knowledge of past lives are important for some,
not for everybody. Karma can be worked at, gotten
rid of at any point. If the problem is the present
life it will be worked there. If the problem is in the
past, as it was for me, then better to snip the
problems at the root and get it out there.
Does that make sense ?
Anyway, past lives knowledge are siddhis just like the
rest. Best used with caution. :)
Best regards,
Amanda.
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