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Recieved: 1999/07/06 15:12
Subject: Re: [K-list] Why pray ?
From: herma vdb
On 1999/07/06 15:12, herma vdb posted thus to the K-list:
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>Subject: Re: [K-list] Why pray ?
>Date: Tue, 06 Jul 1999 05:27:49 PDT
>Prayer too is an experience. Prayer gets intensified with the fire <of
>fear of uncertainity. All >prayers basically is to get better >off or not
>lose what is owned. If some people claim that >they do >not fall under
>either category, then why pray ? Our rejection of our own divinity is a
>tremendous barrier to> >overcome. Prayer is a prayer. There is nothing
>like praying for a good cause >or not a good cause or for a selfish end or
>otherwise. The idea I >am conveying is that Prayer is also an experience.
>The Truth/God is >beyond experience. You can't reach/realise Truth/God by
>prayer.
>I don't do it not because I don't like it. I am yet find a reason why I
>need to do it.
Hi Gopalan,
About prayer:
I am (sometimes) a very practical type. I try to read what you are saying,
but I do have some questions about this:
-why is it so important for you to say and say again that praying is
unnecessary?
Of course, if one has realized his own Divine Being, why should one pray?
But since most of the people on this list are K.-people on their way,
sometimes experiencing the bliss of divine and very many times experiencing
their lower self, their separateness and their wounded child, why should we
be elsewhere?
A teacher I met said to me: ( I told him that I wanted to forgive someone
who had hurt me terribly, but I found out that I couldn´t or wouldn´t do
that ) , so he said: The truth is, where you are right now. All the rest,
how beautiful and how well-ment is just wishfull thinking and not reality,
at least not yours.
And it is just about living your truth, here and now.
I often think about that, especially when I want to be more spiritual than I
am.
That doesn´t mean that I don´t agree with what you say, but again: why is it
so important for you?
If you don´t need to pray, then that is your truth. Why try to convince
others?
I hope you don´t mind, but I like to tell one of my own prayer-stories. I´m
a little bit scary, because I didn´t tell this to many people before: my
Kundalini awakend just by prayer.
One day I saw Sai Baba on my t.v., picking up some letters of people sitting
there.
Then there came a question in my mind: “what should I write if I was sitting
there?”
And then, from the depth of my soul I knew the answer.
I didn´t know much about Sai Baba but I just sat on my chair, closed my eyes
and said his name three times. Then I prayed and I said: “Sai Baba, this is
my letter, please- if that is in the divine order- teach me the love of
God.” That was all. And immediately I felt energies and light all around and
through me and I knew: “my letter has been received and picked up.”
I went to the library, because I wanted to read something about Sai Baba.
There I found a book from another teacher and when I opened it, I saw a
photo of this teacher. I felt a strong soul-connection and immediately all
kinds of energies came through me.
That night this teacher came to me in my ‘dream´ and he gave me an
initiation. I went to other dimensions and I could see from that level that
everything is LOVE.
>From that moment my Kundalini was awakened with such a force, that I
couldn´t walk or sit or eat or sleep for times.( I did not know anything
about Kundalini at all and I had never practised yoga or meditation ).
So when you say: prayer is not necessary, then that is true for you. Maybe
you are constantly at that level. But speaking for me, I'm a prayer-type
and I would warn people: if you pray, the divine can hear you and give you
more than you might like!
Sometimes I read about people who want to raise or awaken their K. by all
kind of difficult exercise or by electrical stimulation,and then I
think:”it´s just so easy: you only have to pray!”
But that´s my experience and experience is only experience and not the
ultimate truth, isn´t it?
Could it be possible that there are many ways and many paths and that we
just choose the path that is most suitable for us?
With respect for your opinion, but also with some humor,
Love,
Herma
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