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Recieved: 1999/07/05 09:28
Subject: [K-list] Why pray ?
From: A. Erhart
On 1999/07/05 09:28, A. Erhart posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Gopalan,
Thanks for the encouraging words about silver and
gold. ;) And yes, I always try to do my homework.
;) Reading a little bit about the Indian phiolosophers
has been very informative indeed.
On Mon, 05 Jul 1999 03:19:42 gopalan n.s. wrote:
>As long as one doesn't develop a
>dispassionate attitude he will find it difficult to >reach/realise Truth/God.
> Detachment is the key.
Yes, I agree. :)
>>Oh dear,
>>I think he was practicising ahimsa here... :)
>
>The point I intend to convey is that nobody can take you to God except
>yourself.
Oh, good thing you said that. :) I agree with you on
this as well.
>I wasn't committing >Himsa either
>!!! LOL
LOL !
>I have read a book on Ramana Maharshi's philosphy "Zero Egoness" and heard
>lot about him. He was great. All his experiences within the framework of his
>mind too are IMMATURE. There are no exceptions. The greatness of Ramana
>Maharshi is in what he was beyond this realm of experience-mind frame work.
>What ever he saw/perceived beyond mind can't be described for others to
>understand. May be you might have heard that during his later part of the
>years he never spoke to any one followed" Mouna vratha". This is the
>outward sign of getting away from the worldly knowledge/experience.
Is Mouna Vratha that silent type of teaching that
Ramana Maharshi gave to a few of his students ?
>It makes no difference as to who agrees or who disagrees. It is what you or
>me see. You don't change because others disagree.
No, that is true. :) It never seems possible to
advice anyone who are not open to your advice from
the start. The ego is hard to work around.
>However, the goal of meditation is not attaining knowledge. Meditation is
>destroying all thoughts an in the end destroying the mind--
Yes. :)
>Purpose of all knowledge is
>to help you think straight in understanding the truth.
Yes, it's training in the process of learning, training
to set the ego aside and accept the words of the
teacher, training to concentrate. :)
>But after a point
>you will realise all knowledge is useless, as truth >is beyond knowledge.
Yes, it is. :) It just Is.
>Prayer is a prayer. There is nothing like praying for a good cause or not a
>good cause or for a selfish end or otherwise. The idea I am conveying is
>that Prayer is also an experience. The Truth/God is beyond experience. You
>can't reach/realise Truth/God
>by prayer. What you perceive through your five senses is not true.
>Truth/God is revealed with the destruction of the mind.
>
>I don't do it not because I don't like it. I am yet find a reason why I
>need to do it.
Gopalji, you are a braver human being than I am,
going straight for the Heart.
I am like the bad student in the teachings
(don't remember which one), I need to meditate on
the cow until I can meditate on the Brahman. :)
Hope I won't fit through the door some day. :)
Best regards,
Amanda.
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