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Recieved: 1999/07/02 08:37
Subject: [K-list] pain/pleasure
From: A. Erhart
On 1999/07/02 08:37, A. Erhart posted thus to the K-list:
On Fri, 02 Jul 1999 03:25:11 gopalan n.s. wrote:
>>So it seemed to me that the pains I had were to wean me off attachment to
>>myself
>>as a dual being.
>
>Man's present miseries and sufferings, his pains and limited pleasures,
>births and deaths are all due to his erroneous identification with five
>sheaths-
>Food(body) sheath-birth, growth, decay and death
>Vital sheath-hunger, thirst, heat, cold and such other sensations
>Mental/emotional sheath-thinking, emotions, doubt, exhilaration, depression
>etc.,
>Intellectual sheath-intellectual achievements
>Blissful sheath-striving for self-realization
Thanks Gopalan for this easy to read break down of
this central teaching.
>Jnana Yoga which is a intellectual methods of disassociating with all the
>sheaths.
Including the Blissful sheath ?
Or is that one the last to go ?
>The ego
>experience is the reflected experience of the self. If it reflects through
>the blissful sheath, one is a holy man.
Or a woman. Or an androgyne. ;)
>If it reflects through the
>intellectual sheath, one is an Einstein. The individual ego depends on
>limiting qualities, but the real self depends on >nothing.
>
>Pure self remains unacting, untouched and unchanging. It does not
>participate in the experiences of existence, birth, death and
>non-diescirmination. The knowledge I am Brahman can be possible only
>through the agency of reflection. The self is neither good or bad, but the
>limiting adjuncts create the problems of pain, suffering, birth and death.
(nod, nod)
>NAME & FORM are impermanent and illusory, while EXISTENCE,
>KNOWLEDGE AND BLISS ARE PERMANENT. Only man has the vehicle to realise that
>what remains is EXISTENCE- KNOWLEDGE-BLISS or SAT-CHIT-ANANDA, the eternal
>"I" which continues through many changes of name and form.
>Ultimately, direct experience is necessary, for it is not a matter of
>intellectual understanding.
Yes !!! :)))
>On this pain/pleasure many have responded and I find it difficult to
>acknowledge them individually. I wish to convey that I have enjoyed the
>thoughts expressed and express to all a BIG THANK YOU.
Thank you for reminding us all of the principles of
Jnana, a teaching which we all can derive a lot from,
even if we approach it from different angles.
Just wanted to add that it occurred to me that since
pleasure in some situations is very similar to pain,
a good idea and a fun exercise
to confuse the ego and the chitta a little
was to use the opposite word for certain things,
e.g. when experiencing pleasure to call it pain and
see what happens, and when experiencing pain, call
it pleasure etc.
Thanks again for sharing.
Best regards,
Amanda.
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