To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/07/01 18:39
Subject: Re: [K-list] Please HELP!!! MyOverwhelmingAffectsofKundaliniAwa
From: alingimp
On 1999/07/01 18:39, alingimp posted thus to the K-list:
>>>Hillary:
>>>So there you have it. Asanas + Pranayama + Bandhas ? + falling in love +
>>>Melatonin
>>>I suspect the bandhas with pranayama are a pretty volatile combination!
>
>>Karin:
>>Yes, Bandhas + Pranayama seem to be quite volatile. That's why all the old
>>texts on Yoga always emphasize that all of the exercises mentioned should
>>only be practised under the guidance of an experienced Guru (which I found
>>out later). But then: most of us don't have a Guru to help them on their
way
>>and are relying on their personal experience of trial and error a
lot. -snip-
>> Maybe for some people, trial and error, as
>>dangerous as it might be, with some instruction thrown in, is the way to
go.
>
>Dharma:
>You said, "as dangerous as it might be." I don't think some people realize
>just how dangerous that can be - this is literally playing with fire. For
>someone who wants active K., I would NEVER recommend trial and error...
>DON'T just try something and see what happens!
As I mentioned in one of my previous posts, K. appears to be awake in me
already and there I described how it happened. In my case, it involved hatha
yoga and breath control exercises and it happened accidentially. I simply
started those exercises some 4 years ago to improve my general health and
well being and not because I intended to awake K. Had no idea at the time
that those exercises might even be able to awake K nor did I now what K
really was. There goes some of my trial and error. Sometimes we do venture
into unknown territory whether by intention or by accident and have to
explore it on our own. For example, I first had to find out for myself what
works for me and what doesn't. In my case, hatha yoga: yes, breath control:
take it easy and don't overdo it. In the end, in my opinion everyone has to
find out for themselves what is good for them and what isn't and I still
believe that any learning process does involve trial and error to some
degree, like learning from past mistakes for example.
>
>I would say, meditate... and find your guru. You do have a spiritual guru
>who can guide your progress, and you can learn to contact him/her. That's
>where your safety lies... with your own higher guidance. The best
>real-life gurus will teach you to hear your own guidance.
Good idea, I've been practising meditation for a while now and I find it
very benefitial. As for guidance, there are always the inner voices of
reason and intuition which can create some helpful insights. Apart from
this, thanks to the Radha House where I have been taking lessons and thanks
to people like Swami Durgananda who teaches there I don't have to worry much
about lack of guidance.
>If Angelique's grounding exercise didn't awaken your K., then you are
>probably not ready. Be patient... patience is a soul/spirit quality...
>practice patience and your guidance will be nearer to your access.
>
>>Karin:
>>Dealing with spirituality is never an easy one, there are always a lot of
>>pitfalls and the way is fraught with risks and danger. I believe that all
>>those Asanas, breath control exercises and body locks were conceived by
the
>>yogis by trial and error and slowly developped by them throughout the
>>millenia to their final state.
>
>Dharma:
>I doubt it. I think it's more likely that the movements came
>spontaneously, just as they still do to many people who don't even know
>what the movements are until they see pictures.
Well, I am not so sure about that. Sure, sometimes people do have
spontaneous insights and spontaneous insights contributed for a large part
to the
development of Yoga, but let's not forget here that yoga is by many
considered a science and like any science yoga was developped by observation
of cause and effect as well. A lot of the asanas (poses) for example were
developed by
observation of nature, some of them are named after animals like tortoise,
peacock, fish etc. or after plants like lotus and tree for example.
>
>I have used pranayama and locks myself, but I NEVER just decide that's what
>I'm going to do. They _happen_ to me... it's my spiritual guru who uses
>them.
Well, I do decide which form of physical exercise I am going to do, which in
my case involves hatha yoga, some breath control exercises, tai chi and
karate. All these combined work well for me, the combination of some more
relaxing exercises such as hatha yoga and tai chi that at the same time tend
to build up energy and some more vigorous practises like karate where I can
utilise the energy I built up. All of these plus meditation work fine for me
and lately K. has been mostly gentle and pleasant to me (touch wood) but
what works fine for me might not be the same for someone else and vice
versa.
>I'm not trying to spread fear... just healthy caution. Don't try to ride
>a bicycle before you've learned to walk. :)
This sure makes sense.
>Find your spiritual guru, your own guidance... that way lies safety. And
>rapid development too.
Glad I found it, what would I be without it... Thank you for your advice,
Dharma, I know you mean well, I do sense a genuine benevolence in you.
Love,
Karin
>
>
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