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Recieved: 1999/06/30 04:34
Subject: [K-list] Exercise and Dancing / Dharma
From: A. Erhart
On 1999/06/30 04:34, A. Erhart posted thus to the K-list:
On Mon, 28 Jun 1999 17:05:36 Dharma wrote:
>As I learned meditation and as I teach it, I am a conscious focus... or a
>focus of consciousness... and it's a moving focus. A point of energy...
>or an imaginary point... with no content but pure consciousness. All the
>content... the stuff I experience... depends on where I am.
>
>In the last year or so, I was asked in meditation to let go of the focus,
>let it spread out. I didn't know what would happen, but it was okay... I
>just stopped trying to maintain the focus... spread out... sort of
>dissipated... and afterward, there I was again!... back in focus. :)
:) Thanks for explaining that.
Gives me a lot to consider.
>Why look at it that way? Just rise above them... on higher planes you
>won't find them. You don't have to stop your emotions or kill them... you
>don't have to stop your brain... or your intellect... just withdraw your
>attention... move higher... let all that stuff go on way down below
>you... you don't have to even notice.
>
>I'm not saying NOT to keep clearing karmic stuff... just saying that even
>while it's still there, you can go above it in meditation... you're not
>bound by it.
This is something to think about also. Thanks.
>Doesn't that just mean you didn't remember? I find when I go to some level
>that's new to me, it's much harder to remember... maybe I don't remember
>much the first time... have to keep building that memory bridge higher and
>higher.
OK ! :)
>That's how samadhi is for you sometimes. Your experience doesn't have to
>be exactly like someone else's... and it doesn't have to be the same every
>time. Samadhi on various levels is naturally going to be different... and
>different people will experience and remember it differently.
Yes, I agree with this.
Thanks, learning more and more.
>I'll send you what I wrote on how I did it, but it isn't a method for
>everyone... may not be your way at all.
Thanks very much for sending. It was very useful.
I'll respond a little more on it tonight.
>Remember this is a model, an abstraction... a way of looking at the world,
>of understanding it... of making distinctions so we can talk about it.
Yes, I am in the sciences, so I know the model is again
not that which is pointed at, merely the finger being
used to point with... a way of agreeing on a
common language. :)
>You probably are the emotional/bliss kind of person. :) And they're not
>completely separate... I'm sure you want to know also... and I wanted to
>know because I loved God and wanted to be one with him and be better able
>to help other people.
:)))
>I did read that some people go there and stay... and the body dies. I
>didn't even consider that, because I had taken on responsibilities... a
>husband and two small children. And I had set myself for a life of helping
>other people... I wanted to go and bring back what I found for other
>people.
Oh yeah, very understandable when you have dependents.
:)
It was beneficial for the rest of us that you did want
to share of your experiences.
>If you know you want to go very high... or very low (so to speak), into
>the deep unconscious... you decide ahead of time what you want to do...
>hold it clearly in your mind... want it... _will it_. Your purpose
>(will) will guide you and bring you back. Look on that diagram for "Will."
(nod, nod)
>Someone has distinguished between negative mystics and positive mystics, in
>the sense that some empty themselves and wait and ask God to fill them, to
>take them over. And others actively work to go to God, to merge.
Oh, that distinction was new. I've only heard of
those transcending and those "going for" the
immanent before....
>What I meant was, when you keep using your muscles, they get stronger.
>Keep practicing your meditation... whatever techniques you're using...
>you get stronger at it, more capable... it gets easier to do. Then you
>can go higher and get used to that. :)
Excellent advice ! I'll follow that for sure.
>I suspect at least sometimes that happens when the guide wants us to do
>something/ go someplace that we can't do/go consciously at present... so
>the body goes to sleep and we do it. :)
Yes, that is my impression too. Some things are more
easily done in sleep.
>I wonder if that was a direct movement of the will... like just going
>_heal_ and the energy goes.
What it feels like is the
energy sort of goes where it wants on its own
accord.
>You'll find something on it in one of Evans-Wentz's books on Tibetan stuff.
>I rather doubt that anyone is telling _all_ of it... I think some of the
>instructions are still "whispered"... passed by word of mouth secretly
>from teacher to student.
Oh yes, and the book did emphasis the importance of
having a teacher. I mainly bought the book to get an
overview of the concept and see what it could lead to
in an intuitive way.
>Yes, I've had that... I think it's probably possible to have an orgasm
>centered _anywhere_ in the body/ centers.
All right ! :)))
A friend of mine talked with great enthusiasm about a
book he had read where the protagonist had erogenous
zones spread out all over her body. He should have
known... ;)
>There are centers in the palms of the hands... wonder if you're developing
>more healing ability, with your hands.
Maybe... :)
Or just faking after havig read about it in a book as usual ? ;)
Suffice it to say that the veins become distended with
blood.
>Probably it's time... though I seem to see a lot of replies. :)
:)
Best regards,
Amanda.
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