To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/06/25 12:48
Subject: [K-list] Exercise and Dancing / Dharma
From: A. Erhart
On 1999/06/25 12:48, A. Erhart posted thus to the K-list:
Dear Dharma,
Thanks a lot for sending the translations.
I've just recently started reading up on the Yogic and
Tantric traditions, but have a few
good source books to
add to the explanations of the Hindu terms.
I'll comment on them a bit later on.
On Sun, 20 Jun 1999 04:49:53 Dharma wrote:
>>:))) I strive for non-greediness.
>
>:))) LOL! Somehow that sounds like a contradiction in terms... like
>striving to not strive. :)
:D Yes, it does get to be a little repressive,
something which I don't like. I prefer letting the
emotions run themselves dry.
>I think there's more than one experience called samadhi... or samadhi on
>more than one level. Can you describe exactly what it is you want?
Hmm... Whenever I am in K trance / meditation, there
is usually always an I, although it is second
driver, being reduced to nothing but witness.
These days the K energy feels like an aspect of god,
very clearly and without a doubt, so in that way I do
feel very much part of god and it being part of me,
even when not in meditation. I can feel the energy
work through me and it is all very very good.
But the much vaunted view of being energetically
and perceptually one with god and all living things
and having all the desires of the ego stomped out
as described for Nirvikalpa Samadhi, I've only
experienced in flashes.
All times, it has only lasted less than half a minute
and one time I blacked out from it. It felt like the
soul left the body and was literally taken up and
embraced by an entity that was pure love and pure
consciousness as it was aware of me and I knew it.
The other two times I experienced being
the inanimate objects I was holding at that time
and everything around "me", walls, window pane, rounds,
rifle as "myself".
Sorry if that sounds like really a beginner's perception of samadhi or not at all like how
Samadhi "is".
I'd really like to go back to either one of those
states. Err, well, what I most would like to is be
one with god again. :/
>Satchitananda is a name for the All... the Godhead... Brahman. You can't
>really break it up like that... it's just a way of naming it with three
>words that all seem to say something about it.
Yes.
>Bliss, you mean? According to the 7-plane model used in the DK/Bailey
>books, the 6th plane is the plane of bliss, and the All... or the way to
>it... is 7th plane.
Is this mentioned in the translations you sent me ?
Could you say a bit more about these planes ?
>She said she went up into such bliss that it was
>absolutely terrible to have to come back... and she just couldn't stand to
>keep doing that all the time.
I can really relate to that. :)
>If that was bliss, it's a lot more than anything I've experienced that I'd
>call bliss. But the DK books also say that people start out as either more
>emotional or more intellectual. And that the emotional people find it
>easier and more natural to access the planes we number 2, 4, 6... and
>there's your 6th plane of bliss. I started out as more intellectual, so
>the 6th plane is probably not a "natural" for me. :)
Yup, that makes a lot of sense to me.
The Bhakti Sutras say something along the same lines. :)
I'm not perceived as very emotional but I am and hence
plane 6 or whatever it is is very accessible.
>I'm probably the wrong person to ask. :) In my own development I didn't go
>through the normal steps or stages. Didn't have a teacher except my own
>guidance, so I didn't even know I wasn't doing it by the book. I just
>wanted one thing... to know God. I went into the All at about 27. And
>then I had to go back and do all the stuff I hadn't done. :)
Yes, you want to "know" god, I want to "be in" or "taken up" in god, that may be part of the
intellectual / emotional view of things, although
that is to simplify things radically.
Why did you come "back" ?
>All I know is, if you ask, you're likely to get what you ask for... that
>is, if it's not just goofing around or testing... if it's really important
>(to you) sincere asking, you'll probably get it. :)
:) Thank you for saying that. :)
These last two days I have felt an increasing loosening
of the self and becoming more "anonymous" and I can't say it is nothing but good.
I'm not goofing around with this, this is nothing
but one pointedness. Don't know why, though, but mostly
I feel like a vessel of vacuum just wanting to be
filled with the satcitananada.
>>Whee, I'm def. headed for bhakti, read the bhakti
>>sutras a few days ago and instantly felt at home.
>
>Devotion to a guru?
No, devotion to god / love, nothing but and nothing
more. :) That is what bhakti is to me.
>I'll send you the _Yoga Sutras_ by Patanjali... see how you like that. He
>was the first to write down the knowledge and methods of Raja Yoga... a
>lonnnnng time ago... and all the yogas have come from that.
Thanks a lot for sending. I have just glanced over
them and they look very good to me. :)
More on that later.
>And the work is also just practice, I think... doing it over and over...
>getting used to using what you've got. :)
:) Yes, that is a good reminder, be content with what
you've got. :)
>If it's the particular images that you don't care for, you can adapt the
>grounding exercise... imagine it any way you like. Just see what it
>does... and then do it your own way. :)
:) Thanks for saying that. That's a nice piece of
advice.
>Same here. I lie down, partly because I learned to meditate lying down and
>always have liked it. And partly because I don't see any virtue in making
>it difficult for yourself...
:) Yes, absolutely,
>and when I lie down, I know I'm not going to
>have any strain from maintaining a position for too long etc... I can just
>lay the body down and let go. And partly because if there are big, sudden,
>jerky kriyas, there's lots of padded space on the >bed. :)
:D Know exactly what you mean.
I get these convulsions which to others must look like
grand mals and sometimes lose all muscle tone.
These days I have been strong enough to sit a little
bit up while meditating, but I still prefer the bed.
Usually fall asleep during the work time as well. :)
I regard my bed as a holy place because of the meditation and dream yoga, and have just put a
new layer on it to make it extra warm and soft
in the form of a comforter on top of the mattress.
:) Plus there are two comforters. :D I love sleeping.
>Maybe you'd be interested in Ksl, formerly the K-sex >list.
:) Yup, I just joined, so I'll check it out.
>Some of us on Ksl get together every night to Love Bomb one member or the
>group as a whole with heart-chakra love... and sometimes healing, when
>we're asked. You'd be welcome in the Love Bomb circle! :)
:) For now I'd prefer to be outside the circle as
the energy is not stable and increasing, so I think
I should wait a little and see. But thanks for the
invitation. :)
>Well, if you pick up or receive emotional stuff from other people, then you
>can clear it... for yourself and them. Just give it to God/dess (method
>#1).
Good idea ! :) I'll do that. I usually hand over my
own emotions to K anyway.
Geez, yesterday I saw a man stumble and hurtled some
healing energy to him from the ajna, because I felt
so much sympathy for him, before realizing
this was on tv ! :D
I don't like playing my favorite (and admittedly
relatively violent pc game Tombraider) any more
because of the sympathy I get with the artifical
humans there. :D They look real enough to fool my K.
>Fascinating... that's quite a gift!
:) It is all where the K is from, born on the
battlefield and hence, likely to develop into
a 6th sense siddhi.
>As far as I know, all K. work would be called Tantra. Maybe that's too
>broad a statement...
That's how I see it too.
>I know more about it in the Tibetan context. They
>classify their many traditions and practices as Sutra or Tantra. The
>Tantric ones are those that involve actually working with energy...
>raising K. and learning to use it in various ways. The "extraordinary
>practices" or yogas ... Heat Yoga, Dream Yoga, Clear Light Yoga, etc....
>are all Tantra. Oh yeah - Sexual Tantra too. :))))
:D Energy is energy, and K is pretty much sexual
energy, the will to unite into the object which is loved, is one aspect of it as I see it, Freud's
Id. :)
Just ordered a book on dream yoga to try and get some
ideas of what the nightmares are. I'm, really curious
to see what dream yoga is about. Nowadays my soul
feels like it's turning itself inside out in sleep,
but today I got the feeling it will pass soon. :)
>Well, that isn't exactly what I meant. As far as I can remember, I've
>always had energy shooting up the spine and into the head and out... along
>with noise in the ears and head... during orgasm. So when someone taught
>me to shoot K. up my spine and out through crown chakra, it sure felt like
>sex to me! :))
:)) Ok, good thing you want to be more specific. I
think it's high time to join the ksl. ;)
Can't say I felt it like that but I sure do now.
Earlier today, I got something like an orgasmic
state in the head chakras, it was really weird,
the usual areas of the body involved in that were not
present today. It was so strong I thought I'd black
out from it. When I thought it was over, I went into
the shower but then it began again so I had to lie
down inside the shower to make it pass. Geez, it was
like an enormous orgasm in the head. ;D
Later on, the hands got it, the inside of the palms
suddenly felt like these highly erogenous zones. :D
Veeery weird. :D
>Someone did say (forget where I read it) that for the >non-K. person, sex provides a taste of K.
Yes, Danijel Turina, Domchi's teacher states on his
web page that a full orgasm is k movement (prana ?)
in everyone, both the K active and the k inactive.
I don't know about that, but it sounds correct to me.
Someone else also likened the K to the feeling you have
in the body-mind right before having an orgasm.
I think this is an illustrative way of explaining it as
well.
What do you think Dharma, have they all left out of
embarrassment now ? Should we move this discussion
to ksl or is this old news there. ;)
Best regards,
Amanda.
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