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Recieved: 1999/06/21 14:51
Subject: [K-list] Re: unconscious/subconscious
From: nancy
On 1999/06/21 14:51, nancy posted thus to the K-list:
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Date: Wed, 16 Jun 1999 19:04:00 +0100
To: kundalini-l-eATnospamonelist.com
From: Martin Thompson <martinATnospamtucana.demon.co.uk>
09:37:37 Wed, 16 Jun 1999
at kundalini-l-eATnospamonelist.com writes:
>"The basic contemporary physical theory, quantum theory, if taken
>seriously, says just the opposite: it says that our experiential
>knowings are the basic dynamical units,[snip]
>
>If it may be of some interest to you, the rest of the this text is
>quoted at: http://pages.infinit.net/carrea/physics/stapp.htm
>
I haven't read that yet, but I will look at it when I have some time...
I would say that in terms of physics, as far as I am aware, it isn't
clear yet whether or not our conscious experiences are basic or not.
Certainly, the prevailing theories require "observation" of phenomena
before they can establish themselves as real, but the big problem in
physics at present is that nobody knows just what constitutes an
observation: a person being conscious of an event, or just an atom
bouncing off another? The maths doesn't tell us, and neither is there a
convincing theory about it.
><< Unconsciousness is, according to this definition, when the
>mind-function is not operating. This definition applies equally to
>things that are normally regarded as not having consciousness, such as
>rocks, and empty space. >>
>
>Some physicist would say today that the mind function is always
>operating, even in rocks.
Some, but not many, I suspect! At present, that is more of a religious
concept: God's awareness sustaining the reality of all, for example.
> Or this question comes to arise in their
>research on the origin of matter: Those matter exist without
>consciousness? Pushing to go in your direction, one could ask
>him/herself if such a thing that is not conscious does exist? Or do the
>prefix like not-something, un-something, etc.. do they point to
>something that actually exist?
>
As the physicist might say, if an event goes unobserved, is it real? The
answer is, as I understand it, "No, not until it is observed, or its
consequences are observed." Observation, unfortunately, remains
stubbornly undefined.
[snip]
>I like it when my definitions change according to who i speak to :). I
>guess it comes out that one is always listening to himself or herself
in
>the end...
Life seems to be too fast and too changeable to be able to stick to any
particular view for long.
--
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