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Subject: [sangha] Re: kundalini....
From: "Debby Welch" <debbyATnospamwebtrawler.com>
work in kundalini with energy centers/chakras, is not goal-oriented towards
the feeling of the rising of the energies.......that is incidental to the
ultimate release of same energies which have been in the re-cycling bins of
the chakras......when energy has been retained over lengthy periods of time,
in say, the ajna center........it can create disease or symptoms of
disease.......all kundalini work is for open flow of energy aimed at a
healthy body/mind..........when one becomes accomplished with the process,
"rushes" seldom occur as energy is released quite naturally, aided by
certain krijas......channels stay open.....attachment to physical sensations
in any practise is heading down the wrong path and will not facilitate
growth.
deb
"friends make you smile from ear to ear.............."
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From: Xena10000ATnospamaol.com <Xena10000ATnospamaol.com>
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Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 7:32 AM
Subject: [sangha] Re: kundalini....
>From: Xena10000ATnospamaol.com
>
>In a message dated 3/29/99 1:47:15 AM Central Standard Time,
>orionATnospamcheshire.net writes:
>
><< experiences of Kundalini, as a bi-product of Dzog-chen/Mahamudra
practice.
> What is curious to me is the difference in the Tibetan system in the
> approach of such phenomena, which is simply to give no ultimate value to
it.
> IMO, this is because of the extreme bliss that arises, and the danger of
> attachment to this condition. >>
>
>I agree with you John. However - I also have some opinins about bringing a
>vast system like Tibetan Buddhism to the West and dropping it - intact -
into
>our culture. That is - I want to retain all of the traditional 'flavor' of
the
>practice. But - I think Westerners have more questions - which need direct
>answers. This is IMO - cultural.
>
>Tibet was a culture in which Buddhism (and detailed knowledge about it) -
was
>so pervasive - that a practitioner with questions could reasonably be told
>"just go practice". Here - it is totally different. There is no Basic
Ground
>of knowledge - either for Buddhism or for possible esoteric side effects of
>practice (like spontaneous kundalini awakening).
>
>Having personally seen the confusion and despair - being told "just go
>practice" can produce - I sought to simply answer the lady''s quesiton. She
>had no basic ground of knowledge about the subject - and possibly - needs
to
>do some research. At that point - if she has a practice AND a skillful
teacher
>- then certain things may (or may not) become obvious to her. After all -
we
>are all different - and experience the practice differently.
>
>So - in Tibet practitioners could be told to just 'ignore it' - with some
>reasonable expectation that the practitioner knew - what 'it' was - and
what
>was happening to them!
>
>I strongly feel that each practitioner - needs to become an 'informed
>consumer' regarding practice - and issues, side-effects, and manifestations
>that arise. As a result of Basic Knowledge - the practice becomes stronger.
>AND - it becomes impossible for false - or misinformed, etc - teachers - to
>mislead people (accidentally or not).
>
>That is - if one is not at all familiar with kundalini emergence - but has
>that powerful experience in the presence of a teacher - how easy it is to
>Believe - it was BECAUSE of the teacher! How easy it is then - for the
teacher
>to 'take credit' - for the practitioners' progress. And then - how easy for
>the student to be told - 'you can never leave this group - or else you lose
>this experience' - etc. You can see - it can snowball. And the more
esoteric
>the teachings - the more chance for this to happen. Of course - a teacher
with
>integrity would never knowingly allow a student to believe such a thing.
But
>that is a subject - best avoided. Knowledge is truely - power.
>
>Once that base line of knowledge is there (as in - 'what' it is - one is
>advised to ignore:) - as you say - most Tibetan Buddhist traditions (to my
>knowledge) feel that attachment (and/or misunderstanding) to arising
>manifestations - is leading one down the wrong path. In a hurry. <g>
>
>I am also a vajrayana practitioner of dzogchen. This is just an issue for
>Western practitioners - that I feel quite strongly about. Everyone is
always
>welcomed - to disagree. <smile>
>
>Diana
>
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