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Recieved: 1999/03/24 15:43
Subject: Re: [K-list] Bodily Area On Which To Focus During Chakra Medita
From: Antoine
On 1999/03/24 15:43, Antoine posted thus to the K-list:
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:32:50 -0600
From: Dharma <fisher1ATnospamstic.net>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Bodily Area On Which To Focus During Chakra
Meditation
Thomas:
<< I have a question which has puzzled me for a while now in my
meditation. The chakras are described as being situated along the
spine. But say I am meditating on Svadisthana Chakra - where do I focus
my attention - and Manipura Chakra - the solar plexus or the spinal
region on that level? So do I focus on the spine or where? >>
Dharma:
<< IMO, a guy who's fairly new to this and doesn't have a guru
shouldn't be meditating on centers at all. You are _literally_ playing
with fire here. If you don't know why you should meditate on a certain
center... or what the possible effects of meditating on that center can
be... then don't do it. Remember, THOUGHT MOVES ENERGY. Whatever you
focus on, you'll be moving energy there... do you know what can
happen? If not, better read up on it some more. Don't just pick a
meditation on some center because it looks interesting... Don't
meditate on the center at all until it's time to do that...
(...)
If you want to do K. work, go to Mystress Angelique's grounding page and
do that... 8x a day for 45 days, as she says... by then it will be
established as automatic... and surely by that time you will have heard
from your own interior guide, your spiritual guru, which she calls your
heart voice. Then you'll have a guru... the most trustworthy one
you'll ever find. :) Let him guide your work from then on. >>
Hello,
I agree with Dharma, about the focus on chakras without knowing/feeling
them. From my experience, the chakra system of one identity, or
personality, changes with culture. The place and the number off chakra
change from one system to the other, as in taoism, buddhism, hinduism or
in kabbala for the tree of life or else. And it also changes within a
system, like for the tibetan buddhism and buddhism from India or China
or Japan, or just by being around and open to peoples around you. And it
is also different between species, and elements, and so on...
Working to make pass "energy" by a place where it does not normally pass
for you in your body, according to the way you are used to see the
world, may bring great imbalances in the personality of the individual
if it's not done "naturally" or grounded in a Presence even more subtle
than the flow of energies felt from the chakras.
I'm always glad to know the silence of the skies when the world start to
turn because my will tries of "moving", i.e, the chakras that form the
structure of my identity. In the cyclone, then, still there is the peace
of the eye. But others like to explore the winds to find deeper eyes
into the sky...
Thomas:
<< Perhaps you can tell me what the key danger is from kundalini energy
-is it too much energy, or is it a blockage of energy? In terms of a
blockage of energy, please note that I am also interested in Taoist Yoga
as taught by Mantak Chia. His meditation is different in that energy is
raised through the spine but then passed down a psychic channel in the
front of the body, so preventing it from getting stuck in the upper
chakras. I am also interested in prananyama, and there are exercises
which purify the nadis, so making kundalini disasters less likely. >>
I can only talk from experience. Each time i have discovered a new,
STRONG, chakra system, from resonance with some people or from working
by exercises to develop them, i always have felt an identity crisis,
while my energy started flowing from one system to the other. I
personally find Kundalini, special, in this aspect that claims to let
out the natural flow out, (the snake waking up in the spine). All is a
work of surrender, from then on, for the individual to let flow is or
her natural flow to the divine. But in choosing with which "eye" or
"inner voice" to surrender, one also applies a filter that in itself
constitutes is or her own chakra system. That, until the Eye by which we
all see becomes our eye to see the world.
I remember passing from the chakra system developed from long hours of
position and special exercise in wing chun kung fu, (their chakra system
is based on the taoist approach with 9 chakras and the microcosmic orbit
in the body). This system did raise my energy, or sensation of it, but
it was not my natural way of expressing my identity in this world.
Exercises, had to be done to maintain it over the natural flow. Leaving
that practice, after months of surrendering to the most subtle flow of
energy within my body, the chakra system was changed to allow the more
natural and spontaneous one to appear. It was felt a bit like a snake
changing skin many times.
In time what is interesting in this multi approach, is that ones comes
to change skin, or learn to, in each situation, more and more. This also
means that where there is noise, you also become noise, and the
grounding must be ever deeper to survive in the environnement.
Personally i like the approach of mixing systems at the same time. It
shakes my structures i am identified to, so that the more natural one
may emerge. A bit like the tower card in tarot, with the destructive eye
of shiva watching, the building of human construct falling down. But
it's not a path i point to someone to follow, for it brings imbalance
from time to time.
One can only blame oneself for the destruction of oneself (and also for
construction of oneself, one way or the other).
Thomas:
<< Actually I'm not that reckless and will listen to advice, but that's
not going to stop me from going forward with kundalini. One thing I'm
aware of is that there is a drug which has been developed for truckers
and soldiers which keeps the person awake for 48 hours. When I am
ready, I will do a meditation sesshin for that length of time, in Taoist
Yoga, and also in Kundalini Yoga. What do you think would happen to me
if I meditated on the chakras for 48 hours at a time? >>
I don't know... Wonderful things for you i hope. :)
As i once said to Dharma, on this list or another. The day when we will
change form, colors, texture etc, to express our feelings, our energy
state, and how we perceive the world, is not that far for the human
specie. We only have to survive as a specie in a body to that much
sensitivity to beauty.
Enjoy,
Antoine
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"An act of goodness is of itself an act of happiness. No reward coming
after the event can compare with the sweet reward that went with it."
(Maeterlinck, Maurice)
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