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Recieved: 1999/03/10 22:52
Subject: Re: [K-list] Dream/game/fun was (No Subject)
From: Antoine
On 1999/03/10 22:52, Antoine posted thus to the K-list:
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
Hello Maureen,
You said:
"Yes, and I think another problem is the two differing concepts but the
same word,sadist. One involves game playing and fun (?) and the other
involves a reality of starvation,burns,or the one you loved now breaking
your bones and threatening to kill you and blaming you for it.Some,as
myself, having endured way too much from different sadists hands in real
life have difficulty in understanding why anyone would play a game of
it.It would be as much fun as telling a Jewish person let's play a game
of Aushwitz.Maybe the terminology is getting in our way. Maybe,for
myself I could write the word game/sadist , but it stills screams
oxymoron to me.But if one is a game and one is real at minimum it is at
least a little clearer. I hope."
Two cents, here and there...
I find interesting the distinction you are trying to make to accept the
difference between game/sadist and "real" sadism. I also find important
to try to understand things that are not and make scream oxymoron :)
I love to explore "dream yoga", to find, for me, the dreamer behind the
awake state and sleeping state as one. I guess for sadism there must be
a path in that way also. I wont go to tell to a youngster that he can
cross the street believing that he can dream the car passing through him
as if he was a shadow in his dreams at nights. Or walk on fire awake, as
he could in is dreams. But the step between both is not far and may be
explored by some. It seems we are all exploring in our way, as an
anthropological specie, how to break our barrier, that are in reality in
our mind or our very subconscious mind, yet unaccessible to what we call
our awarness or else.
The Olympics do that in a way also, eating like ants, 1/1000 of second
over the other in any exploit of speed or else, the human body may
achieve. I just admire the work of an athlete, compare it to the work of
a soldier preparing for war, where is the essential difference?...
I like the book, printed by the economist Galbraith, when Kennedy
reunited all the specialist in all science, to answer this very question
: "Can war be avoided?". Two people had an hearth attack, because their
conclusion brocke their conviction. Galbraith went away and published
the book, very hard to find today, resuming this secret meeting of
"brains".
Their conclusion was mostly this.
Resuming:
"War is necessary to maintain the species alive at this state of our
evolution". (It was before the Cuba missile thing.)
They came to the conclusion that the species need something to fight
for, in the State it was, or society would collapse gradually, as people
or small communities start fighting against each other. This common
enemy can take many form, but it must be felt as real, it was found out.
They proposed many solution then, like:
- Amplify the sports/game conflict on all levels (turning with time the
conflict into a game, but real enough to clear the mind of people in a
process well described in Konrad Lorenz Book on "Aggression" studying it
on all levels of the animal kingdom) (Makes one think off the fun Romans
had looking at gladiator kill each other, etc...)
- Create and Amplify Ecology problems (i.e. to turn Nature as an Enemy
so we believe me must fight for something there).
- Explore the Universe in a mobilised way at first (i.e. Send someone to
the moon)
- Etc...
It's a game, it' real, it's a dream, it's not, what stop us from seeing
this world as It Is and survive to it as a species?
Enjoy,
Antoine
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