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Subject: Fwd: Re: [K-list] Asking to be Abused?
From: Catherine Berger

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From: Catherine Berger <linder_hoffATnospamyahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [K-list] Asking to be Abused?
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>

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Mystress Angelique Hi!

I had to wade through the tempest of heated posts before I noticed
your comments. As an aside, I'm not sure what set all that off, but
it was entertaining.

What I had to say was simply an observation of my time in the bardo.
To explain my reasoning: a sadist (who believes he/she is performing a
service to those who believe suffering is a spiritual path) is a
higher calling than the unenlightened personality "an abuser" that may
result, who as an unenlightened "abuser, rapist, murderer, etc." may
not understand his/her own motives. However, a higher understanding
does not translate into the highest understanding. Eventually,
suffering is recognized as unnecessary. A more enlightened
understanding is that both sadist and masochist need God's healing
forgiveness in order to free themselves from the many bonds they have
created to suffering. This is not a comment on whether the sadist or
the masochist are good/bad, right/wrong, or who has the most karma.
The object is to rise above the duality, and abandon the entire process.

If you do not wish to be forgiven, you will not be. No worries. :-)

Cathy

---Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com> wrote:
>
> At 11:05 AM 3/8/99 , Catherine Berger wrote:
> >
That is why only God's
> >perfect forgiveness can heal those who are too ignorant to know what
> >they are doing: both the sadists and the masochists.
>
> I am a consensual sadist, Goddess made me like that and I don't
feel
> any need to be forgiven for it. It is a sacred aspect of my
mysticism and
> my path.. and I don't follow your reasoning. If the belief is coming
from a
> higher level, then there is not ignorance, or the need for
forgiveness, is
> there???

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