To: K-list
Recieved: 1999/02/15 10:42
Subject: FW: [K-list] understandings
From: Llewellyn
On 1999/02/15 10:42, Llewellyn posted thus to the K-list:
-----Original Message-----
From: Leslie A Howard [mailto:littlebird108ATnospamjuno.com]
Sent: Monday, February 15, 1999 11:40 AM
To: ljonesATnospamzlink.net; kundalini-lATnospamList-Server.net
Subject: Re: [K-list] understandings
NOTE: Dear Llewellyn, I am not sure if I used to right address to send
this message to the list. Would you please forward it for me if it
doesn't appear and perhaps mention the proper address? Please? Thank
you very much for your time. I thank you for openly questioning the
standard beliefs. I hope you enjoy the discussion as well and I am.
Love Always, littlebird Leslie
>I agree to a point - that realm of consciousness is a fantastic - and
>time
>does lose its meaning - but for me there is only so much of that I can
>take
>before wanting other experiences -...
>My doubts and questions and pain are precious to me and it helps me to
>realize that I wouldn't like being stuck in a state where there were
>no
>questions, no doubts, no challenges, no growth - only "bliss". This
>viewpoint is really quite standard I believe and not much of an - I
might know all but then what - probably want to know less -...
>
>So that probably leads to >>we are exactly where we should be - ugh -
>not happy about that -
>
>Peace and balance (hopefully)
>Llewellyn
>
>
I find this very interesting... I can see varying perspectives on this.
For one, a state of only "bliss": the vedic literatures describe the
"oneness" stage of realization (which I think is being alluded to here)
as possessing Truth and Knowledge, not Ananda or bliss which is present
at the higher stage of realization of the personality of godhead, where
there are all sorts of loving relationships to be engaged in with God, or
Krishna. Now, personally, this is really my husbands thing. I feel a
connection but not really with the intellectual stuff as much. So,
another perspective, one more natural to me, would be to say that once
you leave earthly level sort of consciousness behind I don't think it's
like, 'OK, that's it, just bliss from now on'. There really is much more
to it than that. I don't really think that of all the people so bent on
achieving this "ultimate oneness" that that is really what is going to
happen to them. There is so much to do and be done. Also, at a higher
level of consciousness I wonder if that is what they truly want. Perhaps
it is really just a desire to not feel separated. To know and be
conscious of the answers to their questions and their true potential. A
desire of escape from this level of consciousness is perhaps the first
step toward mastery- like, step 1, realizing you have a problem. Once we
establish that we do want to advance ourselves then we may start to see
that we have to work with what we've got in the here and now.
Personally, I don't feel like much of a native to earth. It seems that
my energy is more attuned to another type of more subtle body. So, for
me there are mixed feelings about being here on earth. I know that I
wanted and still want to be here and that I have an important job to do
and much to learn. On another level, I am sure I won't mind leaving
either.
I do feel that there is more to it than just having as many different
types of experience as possible. It seems sort of chaotic to me. There
is no doubt that there is order in the universe. There is a purpose, I
believe. I don't know just what the big goal is, and that doesn't seem
so important, the beauty is in the process, not only the experience, but
the unfolding. There is a momentum moving us. If it were just for
experience there would seem to be little impetus to leave a form or
advance one's consciousness. Why not just have the experience of doing
the same thing forever and getting really bored. No, we are moving
toward something. This is one of the differences I have felt being
manifested on the path of yoga versus the wiccan path. Now, I know there
is surly a lot more to it and that it can work oppositely depending on
the participants, but for Me, to take the wiccan path would be to stop
and smell the flowers and take a stroll over here and over there. This
sort of la la la floating around is definitely in my nature and something
I could have easily done. However, I was deterred from that path and
introduced to the yogic path. I feel so much focus and direction. That
is one of the gifts I receive from my husband, focus. A lot can be
accomplished with a focus. It is allowed me to develop spiritually in a
context.
I practice kundalini yoga in particular. I also teach it. I am new on
this list and I have noticed what seems to be a trend people exploring
the kundalini power. It seems that a lot of people sit down and
meditate, often for long periods of time. Perhaps they read a few books
on the subject and learned specific techniques for stirring and waking up
kundalini shakti. At first it's like, super cool and then, in some
people, a gulf develops between their exploration of consciousness and
their daily life. Then it's not so much fun when it's time to go to
class or go to work. I was very fortunate to be brought to the kundalini
yoga system, as taught by Yogi Bhajan, at the age of 18, before things
got tooo crazy (that may be debatable :~) ). Anyway, this system is
very great in many ways. First of all it offers protection. By tuning
in with various mantras and doing these specific kriyas and meditations,
especially with a teacher, you are tuning in the golden chain of teachers
and masters. That energy is very profound. Secondly, and the order
really isn't that important, you are offered information led to
understand exactly what is happening to you. Thirdly, you have the
advantage of choosing a set and meditation specifically for the effect
you are looking for and have the opportunity to practice very advanced
meditations that you otherwise may never discover. I don't mean to be an
advertisement, but I think this is really great. OH, and Very
importantly, this system prepares your body to handle the very specific
energies that we stimulate and raise in meditation. This yoga was
designed for householders, people who have to live in the world. It will
enhance your experience at work and school because it keeps you grounded
and allows you to integrate your meditation experiences. I know
Kundalini Yoga people have been here and may be here now, but I just
wanted to put in my say.
Well, I hope that wasn't too many topics for one message. I hope to
enjoy my stay here.
Love Always,
littlebird Leslie
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