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Recieved: 1999/01/07 02:39
Subject: RE: [K-list] Re: More silly thoughts on karma.
From: jb
On 1999/01/07 02:39, jb posted thus to the K-list:
Llewellyn: [...]
> I have tried to make the notion of karma work for me in this life
> - thinking what the hell did I do to deserve this - nothing in
> this lifetime, so it must be residual karma from a prior
> incarnation. Just a way for the mind to try to get a grip around
> why seemingly bad things happen to seemingly good people.
The game of life is about unconditioned happiness. What seems to be
experience of misery, in retrospect appears to be necessary because without
it, one will not abandon self, being the source of suffering. This doesn't
mean to welcome suffering, because insight could have provided the same
result.
This
> is a standard New Age philosophy adopted from Hinduism (???) How
> far back in the ancient texts does this concept appear. I will
> need to check the Rg Veda - is it there? Seems like a way to
> pacify the masses to me.
Religions always pacify the masses. Realized ones never create religions,
the disciples do. When they are passed away, theologians and philosophers
take over and distort the teachings as to fit in their opinions and exert
"power over people". A religion could be compared with a swimming pool
filled with grease: once you're in, you hardly get out, especially when it
is crowded....
I rejected Christianity's version of
> "well 'God' works in mysterious ways" many years ago. To me
> this concept just doesn't resonate with my soul.
Yet it can work very well as is evidenced by the lives of some Sufis and
Christian saints . However, it will only work if it leads to unconditional
surrender to the "will of God".
Sometime when
> we end this physical existence we are presented with the answers,
> (a lot of good it does then) well in this life time you wanted
> to work on gaining (x>y) and so decided to choose these parents
> knowing that an opportunity would arise to work out blah blah
> issues. -
This isn't the way it works. Mortals are motivated and moved by fear and the
process of dying makes no exception. Rather, it is fear beyond proportion
which is the main reason of forgetting it.
So yes if we had these karmic issues why don't we
> remember that but of course we never remember that stuff here on
> this physical plane - sort of like playing a game but not
> knowing the rules and then being graded for it. But maybe if we
> reach enlightenment all will be clear and we will transcend even this.
[...]
When one reaches enlightenment, it is but the start of the road. When
arrived at "the other shore" one is able to see one's life (lives) in
retrospect and it is clear that there is no "bad" karma as ultimately it
points in the same direction (of unconditioned happiness). So karma has an
educative value. It all depends on how "clever" one is as a "student of
Life" and how well one can apply the lessons.
Jan
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