1998/09/27 18:48
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #688
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 688
Today's Topics: Re: Surrender key to empowerment [ "Lobster" ]
Hi Everyone [ Maureen Heffernan ] Re: Chakra cleansing [ "Robert Avitia" ]
Verse X [ nannuATnospamcombase.com ] Re: Sinus Headaches [ nancy ]
Re: The out-of-body deal. [ Am ] Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 20:01:35 +0100
From: "Lobster" To: "Kundalini - L" ,
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Hi Nancy
>I think there's a difference between surrendering and becoming attached to the
>result of no results. One means releasing control. The other is changing control.
True enough. There are degrees of surrender. What you are talking about is the desire to be in control (which gives a false sense of
security - which you mention - and I snipped) What you say is important and I think the word we might both agree
on is acceptance. Accepting who we are, what we are - not trying to model ourself on some . . . model.
Surrender also has a mystical connatation; here we surrender our
life, destiny, behaviour and inclinations. Initially this is very much a change of control - in a sense it is a practice and false,
however it may move into a situation where we create our own being or find that what we tried so hard to become is what we always were
. . .
>So that's the subtle difference I'm talking about, Lobster. There's
refocusing >control to controlling our non-control...and there's surrendering.
Maybe I'm >deluding myself, but I truly believe that I am learning to
surrender.
Perhaps a bit of both. We all have a tendency to delusion (I think I
am a cructacean). Accepting oneself, letting go creates is a space and a way towards surrender (which is, in mystical terms, an active
form of self control - initially).
Be Well Lobster
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:22:03 +0000 From: Maureen Heffernan
To: Kundalini Subject: Hi Everyone
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Hi Gis, I'm thankful you're doing much better.
Still sending. More Light.
+ Maureen Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 15:47:51 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" To: "Mystress Angelique Serpent"
Cc: "kundalini-1" Subject: Re: odd
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Angelique wrote:
>> I want to take out tiny 3 line ads in newspapers like the Enquirer. They
will say: "I will pay cash for your illness!" Send $5. for information, bill of sale and cash. (Get well novelty item.)>>
This is purely brilliant! Please do it!
Love,
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From: "Robert Avitia" To: "Zarko Kecman"
Cc: "Kundalini" Subject: Re: Chakra cleansing
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Zarko
I do not mean to seem impatient, I am simply very excited about the changes and experiences I've had since beginning the Chakra cleansing
and Grounding technique on Mystress Angelique's page. I started practicing the visualization of white light coming down through my Crown through each center to
the root. I also meditate and practice raising energy from my feet up to
the root chakra and then up through each center. I imagine each center opening like a flower and filling with energy then visualize moving the energy up to the
next Chakra. I do this until I have reached the crown. I then meditate for about 20 minutes and then close the Chakra centers in reverse order.
I have yet to practice any yoga techniques, but have
considered this as an aide to further activating my chakra centers. I am unclear about how to visualize the Sushumi or how I can prepare and ready myself for K.
when it rises. I have read that there are three passages, left, right and middle, and that K. energy should rise through the middle, not the left or right
to avoid problems.
My Short term goals are:
1. To work on cleansing and energizing my chakra centers and strengthen my body, mind and spirit to prepare for K. awakening.
2. To become Spiritually aware of my Self and the Spiritual
guides and resources available to me.
3. To practice exercises which will increase my sensitivity to psychic phenomenon such as Telepathy and Clairvoyance.
Long Term Goals:
1. Increase my energy levels for increased mental, physical
and spirtiual strength.
2. To become Clairvoyant and Clairaudient.
3. To be able to OBE or Astral project in space/time.
I have a belief in God and the Bible, however, I am not a very
religious person. I am ready to integrate the knowledge that traditional Christian teachings have not provided as a framework from which to build my new
abilites and skills. I am ready to begin in a gradual and consistent manner towards these goals, fully aware that the process will require time and effort,
and will not happen overnight.
I hope this provides you with some of the background information you asked to receive. I am 32 years of age in good health. I
look forward to hearing from you again.
Sincerely,
Robert A.
-----Original Message-----From: Zarko Kecman <icemanATnospaminecco.net>To:
Robert Avitia <ravitiaATnospamthegrid.net>Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 10:47 AMSubject: Re: Chakra
cleansingIn the mean time please send to me some information about you. What you are doing. When you was start practice
meditation. Are you religus and anything about you. What is your desire in spiritual quest.
Sincerely yours Robert Avitia wrote:
Zarko Please
Send the information regarding techniques for kundalini awakening. The last part of your message was incomplete...
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 14:34:55 PDT From: "Evelyn Niedbalec"
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Re: The out-of-body deal.
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>
>>Call it what you will. I was referring to an observation of mine that >>when one sees objects while OOB, it seems hard to comprehend the
>>cultural significance of the objects. An example would be when I was >>OOB and observing the contents of my kitchen table. I wanted to take
>>note of what was there so that I could check on it after I got back to >>body. I saw many objects but was thinking only of their colors, not
>>what they were. FInally, I focused on a bright red roundish one and >>tried to name it. A concept of "toy thing" came to mind. WHen I got
>>back to body, I thought of the object and realized that it was one of my
>>dog's red rubber chew toys known as a "Kong." (and no, the stuff on my
>>table was not equivilent to the stuff that was currently on the table).
>> >hmm... in dream state, most people have trouble remembering mundane
things.
I don't know about other people, but I never have any trouble identifying objects in my regular dreams. If it is in my dream, I
immediately know what it is, just like in the waking world.
>could it be that the "kong" obe was actually a very lucid dream?
Hehe, now you have opened up an old argument. Is there really a difference between a very lucid dream and an OBE? I used to think there
was, but now I think not really. I believe dreams, lucid dreams, and OBEs are just road markers along a continuum of possible conscious
states. But either way, I have had enough OBEs to know the regular signs, like having vibrations just before. So if that was not an OBE,
than the current definition of OBE, such as it is, will have to be rethought.
>however, i think the astral mind is a little better organised than the
>physical; you dont remember mundane things until you need to. while, like
>you said, the physical mind tells us crap we dont need nor care about.
I guess I don't take such a negative attitude about the physical brain. It is quite efficient at what it does. It provides me quickly with info
I need in this life. And I am sure this life has great value or I would not be wasting my time here. By screening out other information, the
brain allows me to experience the leftover information in a way I could never have otherwise. And it allows me to learn in a way that I could
never have otherwise. True, I don't care about toy information when OOB, because I don't need it. I see the toy for the unimportant thing
that it is, in THAT existence. But in this existence, it is the toy that keeps the pup busy and not chewing on the couch! So I am glad that
my brain gives me some extra info in this life! The challenge is to be able to have that info and still be able to get more. The challenge is
to be flexible.
But as far as the astral mind, I personally do not consider it more
organized. Happier and more at peace, yes, but not more organized. Seems to me that it is rather flighty and right brained, so to speak.
But I think the astral self is just a small splinter of my total self, so that might be why!
> >Lucius
> >
-E
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From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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> >I have had sinus headaches on again/off again for years. I am wondering
>though what the cause of these could be from a spiritual/emotional >perspective. What issue am I clinging to that would cause headaches?
Are >there any natural remedies I can use to support my healing as I address
>my issue? >
>I had a crystal treatment yesterday and it really brought out this >headache full-force. Seems my body was suppressing its manifestation,
>but it was there beneath the surface. I have eased the pain through OTC >sinus/cold meds but it's not a solution, just a short-term fix.
> >Any ideas appreciated.
> >Nancy
>
Hmm, I wonder how you know these sinus headaches are from sinus and not chakra blockages. Do the occur only in the summer? I got a lot of
headaches for about 8 months thanks to the k. Looks like they are finally subsided now. But when I did have them, aspirin and related
stuff worked just fine to alleviate them, contrary to my intuition. I guess the blockage is at the spiritual level and the physical pain was
just a side effect, and therefore treatable by physical means. That's my guess anyway.
-E
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From: "RevDL.K.RM" To: "Evelyn Niedbalec" ,
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Hello K Friends,Today after reading my posts from all , I wanted to ly down I've had pain in my ear I think I was yelling at the kids standing at the
sink and the sounds bounced back and hurt my ear drum I found red wax in there and have had alot of pain, As I lay there drifting I felt myself
rocking gently from side to side, not in a corpse position at all I lifted out and went forward into my healing room, and landed on my knees faceing
the door where bright light was streaming through, it was nice till I sensed my child coming in the door I wushed my self to the ceiling and tried
passing through him to see what his reaction would be, he just looked around and I just floated around till enetering back into the body, when I was back
I relized the healing room was not the same and my son never left his room,so I'm guessing that I started an obe and didn't leave just went into a
dream state ????very strange for me I have wonderful obe's when I do them>>> It felt nice though...Denise
-----Original Message----- From: Evelyn Niedbalec
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Date: Sunday, September 27, 1998 2:34 PM
Subject: Re: Re: The out-of-body deal.
>
>> >>>Call it what you will. I was referring to an observation of mine that
>>>when one sees objects while OOB, it seems hard to comprehend the >>>cultural significance of the objects. An example would be when I was
>>>OOB and observing the contents of my kitchen table. I wanted to take >>>note of what was there so that I could check on it after I got back to
>>>body. I saw many objects but was thinking only of their colors, not >>>what they were. FInally, I focused on a bright red roundish one and
>>>tried to name it. A concept of "toy thing" came to mind. WHen I got >>>back to body, I thought of the object and realized that it was one of
>my >>>dog's red rubber chew toys known as a "Kong." (and no, the stuff on
>my >>>table was not equivilent to the stuff that was currently on the
>table). >>>
>>hmm... in dream state, most people have trouble remembering mundane >things.
> >I don't know about other people, but I never have any trouble
>identifying objects in my regular dreams. If it is in my dream, I >immediately know what it is, just like in the waking world.
> >>could it be that the "kong" obe was actually a very lucid dream?
> >Hehe, now you have opened up an old argument. Is there really a
>difference between a very lucid dream and an OBE? I used to think there >was, but now I think not really. I believe dreams, lucid dreams, and
>OBEs are just road markers along a continuum of possible conscious >states. But either way, I have had enough OBEs to know the regular
>signs, like having vibrations just before. So if that was not an OBE, >than the current definition of OBE, such as it is, will have to be
>rethought. >
>>however, i think the astral mind is a little better organised than the >>physical; you dont remember mundane things until you need to. while,
>like >>you said, the physical mind tells us crap we dont need nor care about.
> >I guess I don't take such a negative attitude about the physical brain.
>It is quite efficient at what it does. It provides me quickly with info >I need in this life. And I am sure this life has great value or I would
>not be wasting my time here. By screening out other information, the >brain allows me to experience the leftover information in a way I could
>never have otherwise. And it allows me to learn in a way that I could >never have otherwise. True, I don't care about toy information when
>OOB, because I don't need it. I see the toy for the unimportant thing >that it is, in THAT existence. But in this existence, it is the toy
>that keeps the pup busy and not chewing on the couch! So I am glad that >my brain gives me some extra info in this life! The challenge is to be
>able to have that info and still be able to get more. The challenge is >to be flexible.
> >
>But as far as the astral mind, I personally do not consider it more >organized. Happier and more at peace, yes, but not more organized.
>Seems to me that it is rather flighty and right brained, so to speak. >But I think the astral self is just a small splinter of my total self,
>so that might be why! >>
>>Lucius >>
>> >-E
> >
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Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 19:15:58 -0500 From: nannuATnospamcombase.com
To: "Kundalini-l" Subject: Verse X
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THE WAY TO SELF-KNOWLEDGE (V. X)
Do try your utmost to reduce
The load of sorrow in the world. And think not that it is no use
As there are millions to be served.
Nor ever entertain the thought That suffering is writ in their fate,
For, if distress is in their lot, Our duty is to alleviate
As far as we can, grief and pain,
Help in misfortune, calm unrest, As, otherwise, how can we train
For nature's fundamental test,
Prescribed for every candidate Aspiring to a Super-mind
The Kingdom destined soon or late To enrich the whole of humankind.
Mistaken are the folk who think
That science and technology Have come to make the earth a rink
For acrobatic skaters free
In truth, these are beginnings made To bring about a change profound
In human life and thought to upgrade The brain and lift to higher ground
Above the fear of famine, drought,
Disease, want, flood and drudgery, So that to win the Trophy sought
We would be relatively free.
And not to make technology The end supreme of human life,
>From all the tasks to set her free With smart machines of every type,
Until, for lack of exercise,
A softened and decadent race, Emasculated and shrunk in size,
A technocratic earth would grace.
Nor must technology be used To wean away from healthy toil
Hard-working crowds, for if abused, It would the golden Future spoil.
The dreamers of these wishful dreams
No inkling have of nature's Plan, Nor do they hear her warning screams
Demanding on this waste a ban.
Nor bold adventures, daring feats Nor brave exploits in outer space
Nor fighting wars with space-ship fleets Can help to raise a nobler race.
These blandishments of fantasy
Mark but a brief meteoric flash In mankind's sober history,
And soon may end up with a crash.
Deluded is the mind which thinks: This progress and this glamour wrought,
Near which the past to a shadow shrinks, Has grown from human skill and thought.
Intelligence already ripe
Was present on the scene without Our knowledge how it came to life.
This is a fact no one can doubt.
Materials for experiments In plenty were scattered round.
Phenomena too and events, Which for these studies formed the ground,
Did not originate from us,
But were a part of nature's play. 'Tis ego pure that makes a fuss
To feel important for a day.
Some hints and clues came from the past, The flash of genius did the rest.
Who knows how gifted brains are cast? And then why but a few are blest?
What do the dons then talk about?
Where does our will or choice come in? How do they of their triumphs shout?
When all is but a happy spin
Of chance or call it Destiny: The elusive Power-that-be which rules
The world - a clueless Mystery - That, most of all, the proud befools.
Three billion, more or less, astute
Full grown up minds upon this globe, Intangible, invisible, mute
Reflect, imagine, think and probe,
Behaving almost the same way, Apart from reptile, beast and bird,
As if each is a solar ray. How very foolish and absurd
Hence are the learned views which hold
That each one of three billion brains Provides the same organic mould
>From which arise the thinking chains
Whose daily output in one lot, On all imaginable themes,
Would one whole ocean fill with thought, Without including nightly dreams.
The water of this ocean will
Be made of nigh identical drops, And since we can an ocean fill
Each day, as the flow never stops,
It follows that a hidden mind Prepares the matter of the mould,
So that the yield is of one kind Unchangingly for years untold,
Or there is an unbounded Main
Of thought beyond our wildest dream, >From which arrives in every brain,
Imbued with ego, a tiny stream.
In either case, it can be nought Except Intelligence which gives
To us the incredible gift of thought By which mankind was bom and lives.
Conceited minds take credit for
What they do or achieve in life, Not knowing who inspires them or
What power sustains them in the strife.
The mighty secrets of the brain Are still a closed book to the learned,
Because they oft themselves enchain With dogma and hence are interned
In prison-cells of their own make,
Which they refuse to leave until They grow too old to get a shake
>From someone more pedantic still.
Aspirants to self-knowledge must Refuse to overload the brain
With too much leaming not to encrust It with a heavy shell in vain.
Our slowly changing brain demands
A simpler, nobler, purer life, And not a hectic one which lands
Us into a beast of burden strife.
What is the difference in one, Well drest and seated in a car,
Who all the day is on the run To attend his office or the bar
Or some profession, craft or trade,
And an ox dragging hard a plough, >From early morn until the shade
At ev'nfall ends its labour rough
If, of them both, life is confined To eating, drinking, sleeping, sex
Or mental labour of some kind, Or hoarding wealth and signing checks
And each as empty is at death,
And as awareless of one's self, As when he drew his primal breath,
Whether unclad or rich in pelf.
This clumsy actor e'er forgets That countless generations came
And went to leave all their effects Behind, including name and fame.
What does it boot if every day
He spends the time in running round For wealth, position or in play
Or works hard to become renowned,
When, at the end, with shaky legs, A wizened face and shrunken frame,
Weary and sick he sadly begs For death, renouncing wealth and fame.
Knowledge, proud of his high estate,
Calls it the inevitable end Of life, the inescapable Fate
Of mortals no one can amend.
But Knowledge, at this stage, is dead To nature's benevolent plan,
Though nowhere in what he has read, There is Immortal Life for man.
Sunday, September 27, 1998
Author: Gopi Krishna/Verse X
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From: nancy To: Evelyn Niedbalec ,
kundalini-1 Subject: Re: Sinus Headaches
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Evelyn Niedbalec wrote:
> Hmm, I wonder how you know these sinus headaches are from sinus and not > chakra blockages. Do the occur only in the summer?
I don't know what the cause is, but I do know that they are pressured
filled, behind my eyes and are relieved when I take sinus medicine. They used to happen much more frequently. Now once in a while and don't seem to
be related to seasons.
> I guess the blockage is at the spiritual level and the physical pain was > just a side effect, and therefore treatable by physical means.
So what is the spiritual blockage? That's what I'm wondering. I don't mind
treating the headache as I work on spirit. But I really am not sure what the block is related to.
Nancy
Date: Sun, 27 Sep 1998 21:48:33 -0400 From: Am
To: "Lucius" Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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>the second skin thing is very similiar to my experiences. in mine it feels >as if i am "inside" my body and that the outer part of my body is numb.
>gives me the feeling of having a second skin. >
>later, > Lucius
YES!
Happy discovery!
Am
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