1998/09/25 12:01
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #682
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 682
Today's Topics:
Re: Last question [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Hi all, me again ....LONG [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
out of body deal [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
last question [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Gurudakshina [ cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in> ]
Meet Siddha & Kundalini experts . [ cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in> ]
Seeking guidance. [ cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in> ]
Autumn and the Dragon [ "Mel August" <bodacia31ATnospamhotmail.com ]
Me again [ GISLENNEATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Re: The out-of-body deal. [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 10:01:24 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
Cc: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Last question
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At 12:59 AM 24/09/98 -0400, Kat wrote:
>Hi Evelyn,
>
>
>>>From people I've talked to and met, it seems very common that k can both
>>stimulate one's own sex drive as well as increase one's sexual
>>attractiveness to others.
Yup, Kundalini charisma.. we are addictive.. it is the essence of my
advertising, really.. those who are due to be awakened will find my pix
irresistible.
Shall I tell stories? Someone I have yet to meet, called my biz line this
morning to tell me that ever since we last spoke, he has been getting these
"power surges" when he thinks of me.. K-flares, of course.. speaking to me
over the phone the first time, awakened him. Now he is a bit obsessed, and
wanting an explanation for the unexplainable. My explanation? People fall
in love with me all the time, it used to worry me, but now I recognize it
is simply the mechanism their higher self uses, to get them to pay
attention so they can get the Shaktizap. I enjoy it, (with the exception
with the obsession of a certain individual who is insane) but I don't take
responsibility for it.
I am also careful where I aim it.. I remember one time, bored standing
in line at the bank, I idly wondered what one of the tellers would look
like with a collar on.. two months later he showed up on my doorstep.
Someone at one of the kinky leather stores downtown had told him that there
was a dungeon on my corner, and he was determined to knock on every door
and ask until he found it...Eek!! Fortunately, mine was the first one he
knocked on.. I invited him in and gave him a good talking-to about SM
safety, and not surrendering to just anybody. I guess I had picked him for
a fantasy subject because I had unconsciously picked up on his submissive
tendencies, and my thought of collaring him had formed a leash to lead him
to my door.
So, I only fantasize about people I already own, and they get a nice love
bomb from it.
> I have noticed
>>that even animals are attracted to k awakened individuals.
Yes. Bugs like to land on me..
> And for
>>humans attraction in general is difficult to separate from sexual
>>attraction.
Well, Kundalini IS sexual energy. It is the procreative energy turned
upwards. Union with other changed to unity with Goddess. Sex with an
awakened person can cause awakening, sex between two awakened people will
create Shakti=fireworks that will speed the evolution of them both. All
acts of Love and pleasure serve the Goddess... and it is She who sparks
these desires.
Someone once on the list, once told a Zen story of a celibate seeker who
was directed by his guru to visit a certain city.. when he got to the city
he was appalled to discover it to be a city of hedonists, drinking,
gambling, and making love in the streets. He wondered why his guru had sent
him to such a sinful place, and when he prayed for guidance his eyes were
opened.. and he realized that the whole city was enlightened. They all had
the light shining from their eyes, and he heard his gurus voice explaining
about sex with an enlightened person causing enlightenment.. so Goddess had
spread thru the whole city like some kind of cosmic Venereal disease of joy.
>I am starting to have some real questions in my mind about events that have
>taken place in my life in the past few years and how much of it could be
>connected with the Kundalini Rising?
Well, uh, all of it..
>>But I also do not think this is a one sided problem. To me, k causes
>>one give off a stronger projection of your truer self. So while some
>>may be strongly attracted, some may be more strongly repelled than they
>>would be otherwise. I have seen this with a k awakened person that I
>>know. People tend to instantly either love or hate him for no apparent
>>reason.
Someone in this thread mentioned the aversion effect in some folks
reaction to us Kundalites... yes indeedy..
Last weekend I went to the Goddess Fair, put on a nice black silk robe
I'd made, and set up a tent to do crystal healing inside, and KA by
donation in the chairs out front. It was a very interesting experience. I
like waking folks up, and giving those already awakened a boost along..
On Sat., I set up a minimal circle around the tent, with half a thought..
and went to work. At the end of the day, after I dunno how many awakenings,
I noticed that people were almost tripping over the card reader across the
aisle from my corner, in an unconscious attempt not to overstep some kind
of invisible boundary. It was funny to watch. Some would stop at an
invisible line 8' away and stare.. Some folks were actually trying to speak
to me from several feet away.. but a few individuals were drawn right in
close to say hello. The next day it was unchanged, and an internal query
showed that the Ascended ones who had assisted me the day before, had
enlarged and added to my basic circle, partly, I think, to include a
shaktizap for the card reader whose table was behind me.. whom I was
overhearing offering dire warnings to folks to mend their ways or suffer
severe illness.. but mostly to attract those who were meant to see me, and
deflect those who were not. Inside the circle was most definitely a higher
vibration than outside of it. Some of the other psychics came by to ask
about the flashes of brilliant white light that seemed to come from my
corner, occasionally.. hee hee..
However, I pulled the circle in smaller, so as not to be blocking the
aisle and watched the traffic pattern change.
I had friends selling art at another table, and they amused me later,
giving me stories of the rumors floating, and how folks were reacting to
me. Freya could tell those who had come to visit me already, by their
glow.. and she had a few folks react to her suggestion to visit my tent,
very negatively.. they said it gave them the creeps... one person actually
made a cross with their fingers at the idea, as if to ward off a vampire!
I privately suggested to the Masters that next time I'd prefer an
invisibility to those not intended to awaken, rather than actively scaring
them off.. what I got back was that some folks' only association with
feeling goosbumps and energy at the back of their neck, is from watching
horror movies, and so that is how they interpret the K-fire sensations. As
a Creepshow.
At the end of the fair, I had a beautiful woman who I'd been speaking to
earlier, who was giving a concert, dedicate a very pretty love song to me,
and watch me very closely to make sure I was listening attentively to every
word.. (grin) she gave me a copy of her CD, too.. I gave her a small
carnelian, she had had a back injury at her second chakra.. and immediately
after, I found a tiny perfect quartz crystal.
> Generally most people I meet like me but once in a while
>someone will completely take a dislike to me and when their friends who know
>me ask why the answer usually is they have no idea why just that they feel
>that way. Before tonight I always put this down to past lifes or karmitic
>possibilities. This is a new thought for me to play with. Thanks I like
>playing with the mind.
There is another aspect to it.. K-fire clears out karma, right? Sometimes
it does this by having you be the mirror of all of the other person's
repressed dislikes about themselves. Their unconscious is using you, and
your energy to bring up the stuff they need to clear.. it is all in their
perceptions.
Like the border authorities seeing me as a danger to national security..
not much to do about it, it seems.. free will Is. Might as well release the
resistance to what other people do. Can't control it, so surrender.
We'll miss you, Kat.. have a good trip.
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 21:19:48 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Hi all, me again ....LONG
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At 02:15 AM 25/09/98 +0000, Paul wrote:
>> Say "Goddess, please take this from me. It is a gift for you. Thankyou
>> very much."
>
>Why would you want to give anyone something like that as a gift?
Why would anyone want to hang onto it for themselves?
Goddess is not "anyone", She is All. She can handle it. It is Hers,
anyways. Everything is. Recognizing Her ownership releases the karmic
attachment, and allows Her to transform it back into the light from whence
it came.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:13:49 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: out of body deal
Message-ID: <360B970D.AEC4D28DATnospammhonline.net>
> >I know this may sound right off the wall but so be it, that's what is
> >happening. And yes, I do practice every night to do an OBE. "
Two experiences that I had that may help.
My body had apparently fallen into sleep already or there was a
dissconnect or something,can't really label as it happened when I was in
teenage years,but the mind was wide awake. I gave the command to the
body to move and it simply would or could not respond.It lasted only
about 20 seconds but it seemed like an eternity. All was fine.
The other point is the chest. Whenever I want to rise up higher I
raise my chin and there is "something" in the chest area that allows me
to rise. Once you're past the sky area then mere thought takes you past
planets. Sounds wierd but it works.
"Let's be careful out there".
More Light,
+ Maureen
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 13:25:26 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: last question
Message-ID: <360B99C6.61CAAEA9ATnospammhonline.net>
Nancy,
Hope you don't mind me putting my two cents in but here goes. When
Spirit hits it goes down the head and spine to the root center. If
allowed to stay there you get problems. Many esotericists have stumbled
with this.I worked out my confusion with this in the past. You have to
raise the energy up the spine. If you get to the heart center,
compassion will be greatly increased. If to the throat center then
creativity will fly. If to the 3rd eye,it begins opening.
You break the loop by having the energies operating in different
centers. You, after accomplishing this may very well raise the other to
a higher level also but aviodance may be best now while you're working
on the raising.
Hope it helps you.
Blessings,
+ Maureen
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:32:51 +0500
From: cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Gurudakshina
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When a holy man was asked,"Sir,what will be the first thing that you would
do, if you were made a King?" Quick came the reply, "I will control the
TONGUE".
## Gurudakshina from a student to her Guru ##
Hi Buddies/Feellas and my respected Brothers & Sisters:
Response to my 4 letters to the List last month jolted some of the seniors
(how it can exist , if I do not know typo) and a large number were so
enthused to know their auras that my mail box was in a never before
situation, as a large number of letters with photographs poured in. To
sense the AURA, only the face is to be visible, but some used a bandwidth
as large as 200K, to send their photographs, which of course took much time
and space, to download. I am extremely sorry that as yet I have not replied
to my friends.I will do soon.But before that....
On receiving a few brickbats (in form of howling/grumbling) through the
List ( I am sure my friends will share my views that sticks and stones are
thrown at fruit-bearing trees only?!!) and many lovely ones through direct
mail, I was inspired to analyse the contents. As you already know that I
am just a Ist year college student of Psychology and this being my first
experience, stunned me - thinking that how come these "so called seniors"
and a few self-proclaimed SPIRITUALISTS, who never get tired writing page
after page on almost every subject that comes to the List, COULD NOT IGNORE
AND TRASH OFF, if it was not to their liking. Since I do not have
expertise to analyse, I placed all these letters before my senior friends
and professors /lecturers of my college, in one of our regular
get-to-gethers. In fact they all went through these letters with great
interest.
What was their analysis, it will be noticed later but here I would like to
mention that from the List, I found one person as my 'Guru' - whom I need
to offer my Gurudakshina in return for his advices, comments, sarcastic
remarks, bikerings, etc. - in the form of superfast responses to my mail -
as the time in mail indicates.
Let me introduce you to my 'Guru' first , through his letters to me:
1...On 8/21/98 : What about kidney bean therapy ? Has anyone ever tried
it? It can propel you (rocket you!) to higher levels. It is a gas.:-).
2.On 8/21/98 :Common sense would suggest that one see a health
practitioner if one is suffering from illness.
3.On 7/9 /98, : This is too funny cosmic energy.Tricks and gimmicks do
not constitute spirituality. Perhaps you should read some classic works on
Yoga or Tantra.I would recommend reading "Talks with Ramana Maharshi",
along with reflection and meditation after every 5 pages.
On 7/9/1998 :Views on Aura (Part IV) This is too funny. Cosmically
silly. Perhaps you should take up seious spiritual practices, What is the
use otherwise of saying all kinds of silly things. Find out Who You Are
first!
On 10 Sep 1998 : Indeed Ms. Seema. As I suggested to you in an earlier
post, why not post your information on a web page. Otherwise what is the
use of adding to the "spiritual circus". "Is there a lack of clowns?"
I fail to understand as what offering I must present to a teacher who used
most civilized words and sentences to a student who is perhaps less than
1/3rd of his age.
1. According to him spiritual healings which are discussed in List are
useless and one must go to a doctor always.
2. He is at par with Maharashi Ramanna and suggests to read book 'Who I
am', which means surely he knows who he is.
3. Aura seems a new word to him and so he outrightly discards its
existence/readings.
4. List for him is a Spiritual Circus and 5. I should not be one more
clown in the List.
Thank you Guruji. I will definitely read about Yoga ,Tantra, Ramanna
Maharishi, etc. I am just a drop in the ocean and still have a long way to
go. In return to your kindness I am obliged to offer you something in
return. Destiny has sent me to extend my love to you . Edgar Cayce used to
forsee the future and therefore we must consider our meeting was not
coincidence, but was pre-determined.
I will be busy in Mystique India exhibition and also making preparations
for the college elections and therefore we wilI fix up a date 20th October
98, sharp 9 p.m.(IST), for your Kundalini to wake from its hibernation. If
you send your photography, it will be better, though not necessary. If you
desire to differ on the date , you may please inform me so. Since I am
merely a student and not serving anywhere, this is the only offering,
affordable by me. Although I suggest to increase the aura and shed the
negativity from body before one awakens the Kundalini , but in your case I
have to make an exception. After all you are the one who taught me to know,
'who I am'. You had once informed that you were a king sometimes in past
and surely I may have been your courtier that time.
Eager to get rid of indebtedness,
With profound love,
Ms. Seema.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:33:23 +0500
From: cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Meet Siddha & Kundalini experts .
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Friends & Fellas:
Two exhibitions/fairs are going to held in Delhi, the capital city of INDIA.
1. MYSTIQUE INDIA (Oct 7 to Oct 15, 1998) - An exhibition of Ancient
Indian Systems of Medicine, Sciences, Arts and Thoughts - organized by Govt
of India at Pragiti Maidan. Booking for Built-up space of 9 sq.mtrs. is
available for $1500 for foreign exhibitor. For further details contact be
made with <itpoATnospamgiasd101.vsnl.net.in>
2. SARVOTTAM BHARAT Fair is also going to take place on the same dates
organized by Siddha Vidyapeeth,Pune, India at Gandhi Ashram, Delhi.
In these exhibitions you may find representation of most of the Matas,
Gurus, Siddha Purush, Masters, etc., who are settled abroad, besides some
of the highly evolved spiritual personalities- who have never travelled
abroad.
A good number of healers in different systems, including experts in
Kundalini related matters will also be meeting here. Series of lectures by
the practitioners, everyday .
Those who wish to participate or anxious to visit the land of Buddha and
other acclaimed spiritual personalities any time later, may seek our
guidance, if they need be, and those who are vegetarian and are away from
luxurious living are welcome to stay with our family, absolutely without
any obligation.Our complete address, phone etc are available on web page:
<http://www.primeindia.com/clairovoyant.htm>
With love,
Ms. Seema
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 23:38:45 +0500
From: cosmic energy <sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Seeking guidance.
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Since discussion on REIKI is on these days, I thought it appropriate to
post this which may be point of discussion , individually or collectively.
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If you have already received this questionnaire, please ignore this. Sorry
for the repetition.
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Respected healer/Master,
I am Ms.SEEMA, a student of psychology, in Delhi Univ. of India and also a
Reiki channel. Many of my friends are anxious to know the satisfactory
answers of a large number of questions/doubts (see below), raised by
healers in "different forums" that have remained unanswered / uncleared.
I browse the net regularly to keep myself in touch with the worldwide
events. I was amazed to find a large number of healer friends offering
their services across the globe, with full dedication.
I intend to bring out a newsletter for local people containing information
about friends like you serving the humanity in different parts of the
world, as a healer/master. It will be a forum, for knowledgeable persons
like you to help laymen / beginners in Reiki who need satisfactory answers
to wide-ranging questions on Reiki/ spiritual matters. To begin with I am
giving below the most often sought questions by the layman and new comers
in Reiki.
1. How should a layman know that a particular healer/Master is good for
her/him?
2. How can a Master ascertain that the person coming for a II degree
course has been attuned in the I degree ?
3. Can Reiki I, II & III degrees be given simultaneously or should there be
a gap between them?
4. Who is entitled to receive the Master's degree?
5. Some Reiki groups profess the secrecy of the symbols, while others
openly publish them in a book. Which is correct?
6. There is a great variation in the charges for Reiki attunement, by
different Masters. Can it not be standardized? Can there be a system
wherein a Reiki Master must get registered to get a license to practice it?
For example, in India charges are merely $15 - 50, for near and distance
attunements, whereas it is 1,000 $ and above in the West.
7. A large number of Masters call themselves a Grandmaster ? Who is a
grandmaster?
8. Whether lineage of a person automatically makes him/her grandmaster?
9. Can anybody narrate as what action/reaction takes place in the body,
when the Master attunes a person?
10. In India, there was an advertisement in the newspaper, saying that his
condition had worsened after receiving attunement in Reiki and that he
wanted the attunements to be removed. Is it possible?
11. If a sick Master does the attunement, are there chances of his/her
passing on his/her problem to the student?
12. If one has severe skin problem or any infectious diseases, is the
healer prone to catching that disease, if s/he heals by touch method?
13. Is it not possible for wisemen in Reiki to make efforts to get
recognition as it is in case of Homeopathy or Ayurveda etc systems.
14. Is Karuna Reiki more powerful than Reiki, as some say? Karuna being a
Hindi word for compassion, how did it join with a Japanese word 'Reiki'?
15. A lady from West, who usually visits India to initiate in Reiki,
recently revealed that Usui was neither a Christian nor a dean of a school.
Since he was drawn to healing, he studied Japanese and Chinese medicine and
allopathy from missionary doctors. All the books on Reiki till now do not
say so. Which is correct?
16. There are persons everywhere, who neither knew Reiki nor got attuned to
it, but effectively heal the sick using their palms. Even they do mass
healing. How does this takes place?
17. Does Reiki have any connection with Kundalini or does it help in easy
awakening of Kundalini ?
I look forward for a healthy interaction from the dedicated ones, who are
always open minded to know the hidden treasures of the Nature. This is an
open invitation to all the friends to visit my country - INDIA.
To begin with, I can offer you the following facilities:
a) Free sharing accommodation with vegetarian food, in Delhi, to healers of
the world.
b) Email, fax, and phone facilities during your visit.
c) Free help/guidance to participate in Govt. sponsored 'Mystique India'
exhibition and 'World Book Fair' (in which I participate) - to exhibit your
books or products that are related to occult / mystic sciences.
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:40:25 PDT
From: "Mel August" <bodacia31ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Autumn and the Dragon
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Mys and K-fires...
I'm not quite sure where to start...so I'll just jump right in.
I've been having this overwhelming feeling of expectation lately.
And I seem to be one big contradiction. Like I can't seem to regulate my
temperature. I am by turns freezing then so hot I feel feverish.
My face burns on and off...but especially when I feel strongly about
something. I've been getting shocked again lately...the other day it was
so loud my coworker heard it across the room. And I keep having weird
computer stuff happening. Like either my internal e-mail works when no
one elses will or my computer won't work and all of the rest of them do.
So I change computers and it follows me. And lots of other wierdness.
So I pulled a Druid Animal Oracle Card...as this sometimes helps me
get in touch with whatever type of energy I'm working with at the time.
I pulled the Fire Dragon. Not really a huge surprise considering that
the dragon has been my symbol for quite a long time. However,
this time I see the reference to K. Now this I really know nothing
about..I mean I've done a bit of reading...blah blah blah. And I've read
what you all have written. But I do not practice any specific
type of K inspiring activity...unless you count living spiritually as
inspiration. I consider myself a witch..though not strictly Wiccan...I'm
greedy and steal from all religions. You know..any excuse to celebrate
life..Ra Ra Ra!!! : )
My life is in complete turmoil...which to be honest is really
nothing new...but I seem to be handling it a bit better...or maybe
that's my magician's soul creating illusion. I think of things and they
pop up right before my eyes...I see a situation that needs energy
and I suddenly have the knowledge of what to do being handed to me..it's
not mine!!! Or maybe it is...guess we all share that???
I would appreciate insights on how to view these changes...and possibly
suggestions about what I might do to help myself along...
from a witchy perspective if possible...as I know that to be my path.
I am searching for direction here...I have major decisions to
make...and I'm wondering if I can borrow your wonderful minds to
spin me around a bit so I'm seeing all the way around this place I'm in.
Dragons symbolize courage to me. And fire represents energy, passion,
spirit, anger and will. I'm a scorpio born on Samhain (November 1st to
the Celts) I have a Leo moon and an Aquarius rising.
If you know anything about astrology you are probably shocked that I'm
asking : )
So here goes...tossing myself into the deep water...splash!!!!!!!!!
Blessed be...
Bodacia
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:43:39 EDT
From: GISLENNEATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Me again
Message-ID: <db136640.360be45bATnospamaol.com>
Hi all
I haven't had time to read the letters just yet, but i am writing to let
you all know that I ended up in the hospital last night. I had a severe asthma
attack again...This time I cried AND made it worse, my throat closed up on me
and i thought I was going to die.
When I got to the hospital all the lights turned off!!!!! The nurses were
saying "Oh my God, whats happening here, we do not need this right now"!! I
had to laugh at that one!! Then the nurse who was working on me kept dropping
all the equipment, I had a total of three treatments, two doses of steroids
and now I'm home again on steroids!! They could not find any reason for the
asthma, all my tests were normal...except my lungs were inflamed.
I'm doing better today!! I'm still a little tight but better. I wanted to
let you all know so that you would not worry...I saw the floaty things today,
this time they were spirialing around like crazy, and they had little strings,
I also saw the aura around the trees, does it look like a shadow, but just
lighter than a shadow? Like light around it.
I'll answer all of your letters as I go along, I'm just really tired but
kind of wired...with all the meds.
i love you all...gis
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 14:49:24 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: heidiATnospamadan.kingston.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: The out-of-body deal.
Message-ID: <1823df95.360be5b4ATnospamaol.com>
Hi Am, I am learning Theosopy and recently read a number of articles on
Hypnosis by the founders. They also choose to call this energy force a
liquid. Much of the idea was put in their heads by Mesmer who made Hypnosis
famous in the 18 and 19 century in England I believe or maybe France. He
described the force as a magnetic liquid that every person has and is the
pathway of energy in the astral and physical body. Apparently he believes it
functions in both ,which makes sense. His belief is that this "magnetic
fluid" is a sort of personallity "will" that a soul can have to leave its body
and go into anothers and take over the latter's physical body with the formers
will. Hence the link to Hypnosis.
In any case, I find your use of the word Liquid and a number of famous
occultists to describe this body ("type"??) is happening too often to explain
away as coincidence. It is also interesting that in the last hundred or so
years as medicine has come to learn the secrets of the body that it is now a
old news that our brain and nerve cells thoughout our bodies send signals in
electrical form to each other through a conductive liquid found especially
concentrated in the brain synapses. This is physical.
I have also had some very intense obe experiences and the ones I remember most
have me floating over a body of water and looking down at it. This "looking"
bugs me because I still equate the acting of looking with the physical eye and
therefore inconsistent with OBE's since the conciousness doesn't have a
physical eye in that state. I wonder if anyone else has had the obe
experience and wondered about the seeing eye issue.
Besides large bodies of water, mine are funny, as, and this is not a joke, it
is funny, but really not a joke - I once had one where I remember being stuck
in my bathroom all night floating around in very monontomous cirlces for what
seemed like hours over the sink and the toilet. It was very very weird.
Thought it would be cute to share.
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