1998/09/25 10:05
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #681
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 681
Today's Topics:
Fwd: [mysticism-l] very wise words ( [ "alan gaskins" <ravenkrossATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: The out-of-body deal. [ UweJohannATnospamaol.com ]
Re: The out-of-body deal. [ UweJohannATnospamaol.com ]
Lobster thinks he is a horse . . . [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Last question [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
A dream [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
reply [ Zarko Kecman <icemanATnospaminecco.net> ]
Re: Hi all, me again ....LONG [ Antoine Carre <carreaATnospamvideotron.ca> ]
Re: The out-of-body deal. [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:41:10 PDT
From: "alan gaskins" <ravenkrossATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fwd: [mysticism-l] very wise words (long)
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>From: "" <alan_gaskinsATnospamhotmail.com>
>To: ravenkrossATnospamhotmail.com, mswingsATnospammaxinet.com
>Subject: Fwd: [mysticism-l] very wise words (long)
>Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 01:33:15 PDT
>
> Pardon me, but if you have not seen this yet, it is worth the
>bandwidth, and very K relative
>
>>Date: 5 Sep 1998 01:32:02 -0000
>>From: Powakee <powakeeATnospamnm-us.campus.mci.net>
>>To: Ancient / Modern Mysticism List <mysticism-lATnospamspiritweb.org>
>>Reply-to: Powakee <powakeeATnospamnm-us.campus.mci.net>
>>Subject: [mysticism-l] very wise words (long)
>>
>>
>>found in another newsgroup
>>john
>>
>>> An Open Letter From God!
>>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Paul Harvey, American radio's premier commentator, read this on his
>Noon
>>> News, Saturday, May 16, 1998. The response was overwhelming.
>>>
>>> Harvey's Chicago office was inundated by phone calls, mail and
faxes,
>as
>>> were the offices at The Big 550.
>>>
>>> Now, for the first time, here's the full text.
>>>
>>> An Open Letter from God:
>>>
>>> My dear children, and believe Me, that is all of you, I consider
>Myself a
>>> pretty patient guy. I mean, look at the Grand Canyon. It took
>millions of
>>> years to get it right. And about evolution? Boy, nothing is slower
>than
>>> designing that whole Darwinian thing to take place cell by cell and
>gene by
>>> gene.
>>>
>>> And I have been patient through your fashions, your civilizations,
>wars and
>>> schemes, and the countless ways that you take Me for granted until
>you get
>>> yourselves into big trouble again and again.
>>>
>>> I want to let you know about some of the things that started ticking
>Me
>>> off. First of all, your religious rivalries are driving Me up a
wall.
>>> Enough already! Let´s get one thing straight. These are your
>religions, not
>>> Mine. I´m the whole enchilada. I´m beyond ‘em all.
>>>
>>> Every one of your religions claims that there´s only one of Me,
>which, by
>>> the way, is absolutely true, but in the very next breath each
>religion
>>> claims that it´s My favorite one. And each claims its bible was
>written
>>> personally by Me, and that all of the other bibles are man-made. Oh,
>Me.
>>> How do I ever begin to put a stop to such complicated nonsense?
>>>
>>> All right, listen up now. I am your Father and Mother, and I don't
>play
>>> favorites among My children.
>>>
>>> Also, I hate to break it to you, but I don't write. My longhand is
>awful,
>>> and I´ve always been more of a doer anyway. So ALL of your books,
>including
>>> those bibles, were written by men and women. They were inspired men
>and
>>> women, they were remarkable people, but they also made mistakes here
>and
>>> there. And I made sure of that, so that you would never trust a
>written
>>> word rather than your own living heart.
>>>
>>> You see, one human being to Me -- even a bum on the street -- is
>worth more
>>> than all of the holy books in the world. That´s just the kind of a
>guy I
>>> am. My spirit is not an historical thing. It´s alive right now,
right
>now,
>>> as fresh as your next breath. Holy books and religious rites are
>sacred and
>>> powerful, but they are not more so than the least of you. They were
>only
>>> meant to steer you in the right direction, not to keep you arguing
>with
>>> eachother, and certainly not to keep you from trusting your own
>personal
>>> connection with Me.
>>>
>>> Which brings Me to My next point about your nonsense. You act like I
>need
>>> you and your religions to stick up for Me or win souls for My sake.
>Please,
>>> don't do Me any favors. I can stand quite well on My own, thank you.
>I
>>> don't need you to defend Me, I don't need constant credit. I just
>want you
>>> to be good to eachother.
>>>
>>> And another thing. I don't get all worked up over money or politics,
>so
>>> stop dragging My name into your dramas. For example, I swear to Me
>that I
>>> never threatened Oral Roberts. I never rode is any of Rajneesh´s
>Rolls
>>> Royces and I never told Pat Robertson to run for president, and I
>have
>>> never had a conversation with Jim Bakker, Jerry Falwell or Jimmy
>Swaggart.
>>> Of course, come Judgement Day, I certainly intend to.
>>>
>>> Now the thing is, I want you to stop thinking of religion as some
>sort of a
>>> loyalty pledge to Me. The true purpose of religion is so that YOU
can
>>> become more aware of ME, not the other way around. Believe Me, I
know
>you
>>> already. I know what´s in each of your hearts, and I love you anyway
>with
>>> no strings attached. So, lighten up and enjoy Me. That´s what
>religion´s
>>> best for.
>>>
>>> What you seem to forget is how mysterious I am. You look at the
petty
>>> differences in your scriptures and you say, “Well, if this is the
>truth,
>>> then that can´t be.” But instead of trying to figure out My
paradoxes
>and
>>> unfathomable nature -- which, by the way, you never will -- why not
>open
>>> your hearts to the simple, common threads of every religion? You
know
>what
>>> I´m talking about. Play nice with each other. Love and respect
>everyone. Be
>>> kind. Even when life is scary or confusing, take courage and be of
>good
>>> cheer, for I´m always with you.
>>>
>>> And learn how to be quiet, so that you can hear My still, small
>voice. I
>>> don't like to shout. Leave the world a better place by living your
>life
>>> with dignity and gracefulness, for you are My own child. Hold back
>nothing
>>> from life, for the parts of you that can die surely will, and the
>parts
>>> that can´t, won´t. So don't worry, be happy. (I stole that last line
>from
>>> Bobby McFerrin, but Who gave it to him in the first place?)
>>>
>>> Simple stuff now. Why do you keep making it so complicated? It´s
like
>>> you´re always looking for an excuse to be upset. And I am very tired
>of
>>> being your main excuse. Do you think whether you call Me God, or
>Yahweh, or
>>> Jehovah, Allah, Wakatonka, Brahma, Father, Mother, even the Void of
>>> Nirvana? Do you think I care which of My Special Children you feel
>closest
>>> to -- Jesus, Mary, Buddha, Krishna, Mohammed or any of the others?
>You can
>>> call Me and My Special Ones any names you choose, if only you will
go
>about
>>> My business of loving one another as I love you. How can you keep
>>> neglecting something so simple?
>>>
>>> No, I am not telling you to abandon your religions. Enjoy your
>religions,
>>> honor them, learn from them, just as you should enjoy, honor, and
>learn
>>> from your parents. But do you walk around telling everyone that your
>>> parents are better than theirs? Your religion, like your parents,
may
>>> always have the most special place in your heart. I don't mind that
>at all.
>>> And I don't want you to combine all of the great traditions into One
>Big
>>> Mess. Each religion is unique for a reason. Each has a unique style
>so that
>>> people can find the best path for themselves. But My Special
Children
>--
>>> the ones that your religions revolve around -- all live in the same
>place
>>> in My heart, and they get along perfectly, I assure you.
>>>
>>> The clergy must stop creating a myth of sibling rivalry where there
>is
>>> none. My blessed children of Earth, the world has grown too small
for
>your
>>> pervasive religious bigotries and confusion. The whole planet is now
>>> connected by air travel, satellite dishes, telephones, fax machines,
>rock
>>> concerts, diseases and mutual needs and concerns. Get with the
>program! If
>>> you really want to help me celebrate the birthday of My Son Jesus,
>then
>>> commit yourselves to figuring out how to feed your hungry and clothe
>your
>>> naked, and protect your abused and shelter your poor. And just as
>>> important, make your own everyday life a shining example of kindness
>and
>>> good humor. I´ve given you all the resources you need, if only you
>abandon
>>> your fear of each other and begin living, and loving and laughing
>together.
>>>
>>> Finally, My children everywhere, remember whose birthday you honor
on
>what
>>> you call Christmas Day, December 25th, and the fearlessness with
>which He
>>> chose to live and die. As I love Him, so do I love each of you.
>>>
>>> Now, I am not really ticked off. Not really. I just wanted to grab
>your
>>> attention because I hate to see you suffer. But I gave you free
will,
>so
>>> what can I do now other than try to influence you through reason,
>>> persuasion, and a little old-fashioned guilt and manipulation?
>>>
>>> After all, you know I am the original Jewish Mother. I just want you
>to be
>>> happy, and I´ll sit in the dark. I really am, indeed I swear, with
>you
>>> always. Always. Trust in Me.
>>>
>>> Your One and Only, God
>>>
>>>
>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>
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Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:01:09 EDT
From: UweJohannATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The out-of-body deal.
Message-ID: <6cb45243.360b77f5ATnospamaol.com>
Hello,
>I get vibrations starting at the soles of my feet every night, moving slowly
>up my legs sometimes us far as my solar plexus and lately also in the palms
>of my hands. This is however not all. I need to know from someone who's
>experienced this:
once I had this vibrations and felt after a while very light. 'Wow, now I
go', I was thinking and in this moment I saw (it was dark and I've had closed
eyes, lieing in bed) a net, like a hug cobweb with very thick and fluffy
ropes. Full stop of the journey.
Immediately comes a picture in my mind. I saw a lot of Spirits, having a
lot of work, to keep the kids in the kindergarten or day nursery. On each
corner of the kindergarten there were some kids trying to escape, and the
Spirits hold them back.
For me, I though, there is too much to learn in this kindergarten, to
leave it now.
So I gave up to try to have an OBE, there must be a reason, why at first go to
kindergarten and after that go to school.
I let the vibes now do what they want, feels very good.... its a
pleasure...
love
Uwe
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:01:18 EDT
From: UweJohannATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The out-of-body deal.
Message-ID: <1bff1dc3.360b77feATnospamaol.com>
Hello,
>I get vibrations starting at the soles of my feet every night, moving slowly
>up my legs sometimes us far as my solar plexus and lately also in the palms
>of my hands. This is however not all. I need to know from someone who's
>experienced this:
once I had this vibrations and felt after a while very light. 'Wow, now I
go', I was thinking and in this moment I saw (it was dark and I've had closed
eyes, lieing in bed) a net, like a hug cobweb with very thick and fluffy
ropes. Full stop of the journey.
Immediately comes a picture in my mind. I saw a lot of Spirits, having a
lot of work, to keep the kids in the kindergarten or day nursery. On each
corner of the kindergarten there were some kids trying to escape, and the
Spirits hold them back.
For me, I though, there is too much to learn in this kindergarten, to
leave it now.
So I gave up to try to have an OBE, there must be a reason, why at first go to
kindergarten and after that go to school.
I let the vibes now do what they want, feels very good.... its a
pleasure...
love
Uwe
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:46:37 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Lobster thinks he is a horse . . .
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BIBBLE BOBBLE BABBLE - HORSE
I'm a horse.
not a number - not a knot
nor a ten foot purse
I'm a murmur in the summer
warmer in the winter
One day I wanna wonder
thru the tail grin grass
An' I'm smiling like a horse
HOCUS POCUS
Hocus Pocus
Mind now focus
on this circus
oh so odious
tedious
sometimes delicious.
vicious, mischievous
totally ridiculous
Happy to get rid of us?
amuse us, soothe us
use and abuse
as well.
CHANGES
Differences in perception,
Go on with age old certainty.
The Death of our words,
Drivel of an incoherent mind.
Words of Power trigger responses,
Animal instincts,
Programmed answers.
Bowing to Beelzebub,
Scoffing at Christ.
Frustrated at what can not be,
Knowing it to be there.
Fearing its absence,
Creating its arrival,
Bearing its impossibility.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 07:34:51 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: nancyATnospamwtp.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Last question
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>
>Joseph Miller wrote:
>
>> It gets worse. If the above happens and you stay in contact with that
>> person you can form a positive feedback loop and these feelings can
>> ratchet up in both of you, sometimes quite rapidly. They can become
>> almost overpowering.
>
Nancy wrote:
>I have two questions:1. How can you avoid creating this feedback loop?
>2. If you do find yourself in one, how do you get out?
>
Nancy,
Question #1:
In some cases you really can't. If it progresses rapidly it can happen
before you can get away from each other. In my case all I could have
done to avoid the feedback loop was to throw down the half full grocery
basket and run from the store. I'm not the world's vainest man but that
is more than I'm willing to do, even in front of people I'll never see
again.
In general avoiding the person in general, and certainly at that moment,
is the goal. The problem is the mind (or rather memory) works on
association. That person will forever be associated with sexual thoughts
and feelings. It can take months and years for that to decrease to the
point things can be "normal" when you're around them. Until it does
you'll experience those feelings again and again, slightly less each
time, but if they were strong enough less can be almost overpowering
(going from a 100 megaton to a 50 megaton bomb may be a big decrease but
the results feel the same to the people at ground zero, dead is dead).
Question #2:
Again it depends where you are and what the situation is. It is much
easier with a stranger to just walk away, no other ties to stop you. And
it is much more logical and desirable for most of us in this age of AIDs
to not act on sexual feelings with strangers. But if it happens with the
person in the next cubicle at work, your on the same project, spend 40
hours a week, maybe more, within 8 feet of each other, it will be hell
to go through and a transfer for one of you is the only way I know of to
decrease the feelings. Even then the feelings will die a slow painful
death. (Yes, personal experience again! What kept me going was my rule.
I really never have acknowledged many rules as applying to me and none I
didn't validate as necessary in my own mind. But due to some painful
observations in my childhood I took one oath as a youth. I swore an oath
to God I would never, ever, commit adultery. I've kept it, failed
marriages and all. But it sure as hell hurt sometimes and I do have
thoughts on missed opportunities that cross my mind from time to time.)
Hope this helps.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: 25 Sep 98 15:36:12 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: A dream
Message-Id: <OUT-360BB645.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi
I had a very, very long dream this morning. It seemed to last for
hours. The main bulk of it was that I seemed to be on some kind of
lunch break from university and was walking some considerable distance
with a small group of friends, who were mainly from primary school.
We'd walked so far and through so many complicated places that I
started to get the feeling we wouldn't be able to get back. Finally we
ended up in a kind of version of the local town, except perhaps I
think it was the way it looks in my consciousness. Seeing this I
thought, right I've got to head back to where I came from now. So I
turned around and found myself entering a large, very old stone
building that was now the only thing there. The group of us seemed to
be on a kind of tour, except that the tour guide was not leading us
anywhere and it was up to us where we went, if at all.
There was a large door and I remarked that we never went that way
before. The guide, being wherever it was but not visible was just
being there patiently smiling and so we went in through the door into
a kind of large chamber or room. It was quite dark. The reality had
been extremely stable up to this point and continued to be. There was
something about the room which was haunted. I had no fear, and in fact
I felt I was quite enjoying it. Over in one corner was a spiral
staircase. We began to carefully make our way up and I was at the
front. I looked at the stairs, it was carpeted at first, and the
carpet was very, very dusty and covered in cobwebs. I remarked that
they could have at least got a vacuum cleaner through here. This was
somewhere that obviously wasn't travelled upon very often.
Climbing the stairs further we slowed and slowed almost to a stop. The
stairs were now covered in lots of peculiar creatures. Floating and
twisting about in front of me was a kind of luminescent slug or worm.
It moved quite slowly so I poked it to divert it away. Someone
commented not to hurt it and I replied that I wasn't, and was more
gentle just to be sure. The guide person said that it was called a
jelly worm, or maybe it was a slug worm. It was quite bizarre. Anyway,
I looked further and there was what seemed to be cockroaches or
something similar but they weren't moving very much. In fact, it were
as if the stairs were covered in a kind of spooky ooze layer which was
made up of a sort of misty, winding slime and lots of little
insect-like creatures. I was a little wary of treading on them.
I turned back and asked where this was headed. In front of me was a
big door but I did not aknowledge it at all at first. The guide told
us that this was some kind of test that female businesswomen went
through in an attempt to claim a much treasured prize. There was
something about `64 steps' in the name of it. It was a kind of
managerial training course. So I then counted the steps, which is
when the staircase was small enough to fit into my hands. I counted
the distorted stairs and it turned out that we were right at the top
already! "Oh my God", I thought.
I then noticed the door, and made a joke about having not seen it
before. I opened it, it was large wooden and heavy. And old. Behind
the door was like a little semicircular opening in the brickwork
beyond which was a small room with a very low ceiling. There was
furniture in there and it was quite dark, lit with candles. I had the
feeling that a small goblin lived in there. I heard some rattling in
the background. I looked and I tested the size of the opening. If I
could get in there I would claim the prize. One of the others shouted
out that I should make sure to get the giant gem, which I imagined was
some kind of huge diamond thing. But I felt there was a danger. The
hole was very small I would have to risk my life to get into it, yet
alone trying to get out of it, and it was a long drop to the floor. I
also felt that the goblin was in there just waiting to pounce as soon
as I was in a compromising position.
So we backed off and were now down on the floor, although no distance
was travelled to get there. The spiral staircase was not enclosed btw.
On one of the walls was a log fire but it was quite dim and not very
hot. Then someone shouted out that there was a ghost. I looked and
near one of the walls a rather small ghost was materialising as a
luminescent sort of thing, in the form of some deceased person. In
space-defying style I kicked and my leg transcended the distance so I
kicked the ghost, and it shattered as if into to tiny grains of glass
yet dissapearing. Then another one began to apppar and I did the same.
Then, up in the high ceiling, a trapdoor opened and sunlight came in.
Things began to be thrown down. The pesky goblin was trying to scare
us off, as a kind of test I think. Sometimes a sword was thrown,
sometimes it was a dagger or a rock. Then also the goblin poured an
apparently bottomless (in terms of holding capacity) bucket of rubble
down. There was a hundred times more rubble than the bucket could
contain. All the while we were looking up there, in direct contest to
see of a way of getting onto the top of the ceiling, which was the
only floor in some kind of incredible flat perfect land above. The
goblin pulled the trapdoor back across. Again in distance-defying
fashion I reached out a hand and pushed back the trapdoor. The goblin
remarked at this and continued his resourcefulness. This was like
something out of a film such as The Labarynth, jim henson kind of
stuff. He poured down another bucketfull of rubble which reached right
up to the trapdoor, such was the heap. I thought perhaps this could be
climbed in order to get up there. The goblin then put in an
appearance, but I already knew how he looked. He started stabbing the
pile with a sword. But then the sword was blunt and I gripped it and
it did not cut me and I pulled it from him, throwing it to the floor.
He was really getting desperate now. The ceiling was closer and closer
to the floor and without ever getting to see /confirmation/ that the
two had become one, and synchronous to this probably happening, I woke
up.
:-)
I really enjoyed this dream. Has some good symbolism.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 16:45:07 +0200
From: Zarko Kecman <icemanATnospaminecco.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: reply
Message-ID: <360BAC73.60A26660ATnospaminecco.net>
Wow. That was big fast fat reply. Thank's good friends.
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 11:59:31 -0400
From: Antoine Carre <carreaATnospamvideotron.ca>
To: Paul <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Hi all, me again ....LONG
Message-id: <01bde89d$7bb65ba0$9e75fdcfATnospamantoine>
Paul
<<So am I letting go do you think? Am I giving this to you or is this too
optimistic to be a surrendering? >>
If you can give this to me, how much more can you give to the moment you are
living... Thank you for this gift, you are beautifull.
Antoine
Date: Fri, 25 Sep 1998 09:46:46 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The out-of-body deal.
Message-ID: <19980925164647.6082.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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>After the vibrations (very mild and pleasant) I feel like my body
begins to
>move in a slow liquid movement although it is NOT my body moving. It
seems
>like there is another body of mine moving. Sometimes it feels like my
leg
>stretches to the length of about two or three more feet, I can feel
this
>very clearly. Lately my arms do the same. My physical body seems
confused by
>this because my muscles seem to want to follow this "stretching".
Before
>every onset of this phenomena I feel little pinpricks here and there on
my
>skin like on my face or my feet, legs and arms and also my fingers.
I've
>read of the "cobweb" effect which is more gentle and I've experienced
that
>for many months. Now it's more like little piercing needle pains which
leave
>after a while. Also, before every time that this "stretching" of limbs
>ocurrs, it feels like another skin is leaving my real skin. (I'm not
much
>into snakes so I don't think I'll turn into one :)
>
>I know this may sound right off the wall but so be it, that's what is
>happening. And yes, I do practice every night to do an OBE. On this
list, I
>have so far not come accross this liquid moving of a body one cannot
see.
>Does anyone know about this?
Yup, this is another precursor to an OBE. Sometimes, I can just float
right out of my body and have an OBE. But sometimes, I can get a little
out and have to kinda work my way the rest of the way. I call it the
glue problem, cuz I feel like I am moving through liquid glue and have
trouble finally pulling away from the old body. Often, I will try to
rock back and forth in the body, and in each rock, I try to pull a
little further away until I finally make it out. I have heard this
referred to by others as the rubberband technique. Keep trying cuz
you're REALLY close!
-E
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