1998/09/24 15:46
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #678
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 678
Today's Topics:
Re: Last question [ beisamATnospamjuno.com (a s) ]
Re: (no subject) [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #676 [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Hi all, me again [ balaji_radhakrishnanATnospamem.fcnbd.com ]
Re: Last question [ "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Hi all, me again ....LONG [ GISLENNEATnospamaol.com ]
Me again [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: Me again [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Me again [ eggers <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu> ]
me again [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
rooftops [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: Last question [ balaji_radhakrishnanATnospamem.fcnbd.com ]
Re: Last question [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Cen [ Andrw <kungfishATnospamaol.com> ]
Re: Goodbye [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:04:51 -0700
From: beisamATnospamjuno.com (a s)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Last question
Message-ID: <19980924.080453.-392683.0.beisamATnospamjuno.com>
<When we live the life we feel good about others are more attracted to
us. I have not changed my body, clothes, or hair... Yet now out of
nowhere I am approached on the street! >
Well now, this is interesting. Before my life went into a tail spin in
'91 I could go anywhere without people disturbing my space. I didn't know
to appriciate it then, now I miss it terribly.
I did make concious and drastic changes. I used to be very careful to
look *good* I now try to be as blended into the woodwork as I can. I used
to be a very social person, and now am so parinoid of people that I even
changed my work to be away from people as much as possible. I work and
shop only in the dead of night. When I do have to go out in the day I
find that all my efforts are for not, I am still approached by strangers,
men with propositions and ladies wanting conversation... children I don't
mind, they seem harmless enough and give as much as they take,
energy-wise. I try very hard to not make eye contact in the day with
other adults yet they seem to be drawn anyway, no matter how stand-offish
I try to be.
In the night, as a saftey measure, I am 1st to make eye contact and say
hello and have no problem with people clinging or being too up close, but
then there is a different element on the streets in the city during the
night and most whom I encounter are, like myself, avoiding the general
public so this space invasion is not as much of an issue.
I never thought to associate the thing to the *energy* of K.
If in fact that is the draw, perhaps I have been selfish in keeping these
folks at bay?
hmmmm.
Well, I don't see as I am ready to share this as yet. Paranoia has served
me well, as well as held me back. This is a delema. How to know? Truth
is, I know few, if any people accually mean any harm but encounters with
them no matter how pleasant leaves me feeling drained.
I miss people sometimes. But they take so much out of me. All attemts I
have made to resolve this have been unsuccessful and it is easier to stay
as far away physically as I can.
Sorry, didn't mean to get so deep there. But I'll leave it as is.
freda
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Date: 24 Sep 98 16:08:03 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Message-Id: <OUT-360A6E63.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Yahseyes,
> They just open the door, you are getting high on
> yourself. (quite a potential we carry around.)
It's the same with alchohol. You don't get drunk on the drink itself,
you get drunk on the chemicals that the drink causes the body to
release. Although, many people like to think that the drink itself
contains the magical formula.
> My music is my life in many ways. It gives me goose pimples.
It does that to me too but I have found ultimately that it is an
emotional attatchment that allows this.
> I hope, if you did feel I was one of the offensive ones that I
>cleared it up.
No no, wasn't you. Like I said, the person or peoples involved know
who they are. If you doubt then it was not you. Even the people
involved are in doubt so i was not them either. It was only me.
--
Paul.
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 08:40:24 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: foehammer2ATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #676
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>Has anyone out there tried a mixture of chi kung and meditation to
>achieve kundalini? If so, please tell me about it as I am attempting
>it.
William,
I haven't tried it but it should work reasonably well but would need
some adapting to make work.
My logic for that statement:
Translating it into Yogic/Vedantic terms Chi Kung is a strong pranic
technique. Like pranayama techniques its job is to increase prana in the
body.
The key to using pranayama is to get it moving and to lock it in during
meditation (and pranayama as well). This effectively turns the body into
a pressure vessel. This increased pressure awakens Kundalini (she
basically gets uncomfortable) and she starts moving. Pranayama has some
built in advantages. Pranayama is designed to both increase prana and to
encourage the opening of the proper channels (nadis) for prana and
Kundalini to travel. It is also milder and more gentle than Chi Kung (if
not used with breath retention and "snorting" exhalations) so the change
in prana level in the body would be less striking, possibly resulting in
a less startling awakening of Kundalini, should it happen.
Based on my own personal experiences and my discussions with my past Chi
Kung and Tai Chi teachers I have no reason to believe there is anything
about these techniques that encourage K to use the proper channels. This
is important! If K takes the proper channels many of the problems
mentioned on this list will not happen. (Even in the proper channels it
can create problems at blockages but less often and generally it is much
less dangerous.)
If you do use Chi Kung I'd also do some basic pranayama, for the
"guiding" function, with full locks on at root and throat (putting both
of them on automatically activates the third required lock). The order
would be Chi Kung (length of time dependent on your experience and time
available), then Samabayas (spelling??) also called alternate nostril
breathing (ANB) (there is NO retention with this technique) for about 10
to 15 minutes with the locks on, then meditate for at least as long as
you did ANB, longer is better.
If you are successful and awaken K the Chi Kung should be stopped when K
reaches the third (stomach) chakra. If not, repeated use of Chi Kung
and/or Tai Chi will keep pulling the energy back to that chakra and make
progress difficult. Also note that after some point K can "get
comfortable" at a given level and begin to work less hard to advance
further. It takes a long time but it should not be encouraged at all by
the individual.
The last paragraph is based on statements given to me in a discussion
with my teacher, a Kundalini Master in the Vedic tradition, the rest of
my message is based on my extending teachings from him and the
scriptures using logic and my own experience.
Good luck!
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:40:18 -0500
From: balaji_radhakrishnanATnospamem.fcnbd.com
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Hi all, me again
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Can't we all perform a distant healing to soothe her pain..
radhakrishnan
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Subject: Hi all, me again
Author: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com> at INTERNET
Date: 9/23/98 6:11 PM
Hi Everyone
I hope i am not becoming a pain in the butt, but i am making a website for
my book as well, so I wish to gather all my letters on your experiences so
that i can edit everything and get the book together...
so the next experiences that i need are the ones involving hatha yoga and
everything associated with that and shaking/nervouseness...
Please private e-mail me....
also excuse me if i seem abrupt, my back is killing me, I have had asthma
this ENTIRE week..and I feel like I am getting the flu...I did not get any
sleep last night and I am Tired!!
I love you all.......Gis
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 09:32:54 PDT
From: "Joseph Miller" <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Last question
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Kat wrote:
>When the Kundalini is rising can it affect you and other people
>around you in a sexual type way?
Oh yes!
>Can it cause people to become sexually attractive to you .......sort
>of like a magnet effect??? kinda like vibrations or signals going
>off???
Oh yes! It can also cause them to become attracted to you.
>how do you stop it?
Best advice: be more selective about whom you associate with and where
you go.
This happened to me recently. I was in a store and was turned on by a
total stranger who did not look to be my "type" at all. I got turned on
the way I haven't been since I was a virgin in high school when
everything turned me on and an attractive woman could drive me to the
edge of endurance by just crossing her legs while wearing a short skirt.
I asked my teacher about it and this is how he explained it to me.
When one has active Kundalini, most importantly when it is active in
certain areas of the brain, it serves to pickup feelings from others and
amplify those feelings in you and in them.
...So if you were around someone who was thinking about sexual matters,
not necessarily with you, you can increase his/her feelings of sexual
excitement and can cause them to transfer those feelings to you even if
they weren't aimed at you before. You can also be sparked to light a
fire of sexual excitement in yourself.
It gets worse. If the above happens and you stay in contact with that
person you can form a positive feedback loop and these feelings can
ratchet up in both of you, sometimes quite rapidly. They can become
almost overpowering. If that happens it will almost certainly become the
focus of your attention and you won't be able to get sex or that person
out of your mind for a long time after it happens, whether you act on
your feelings or not. As always you don't have to act on these feelings
but you wouldn't be able to act well on much else for a long while.
>Should you stop it and how can you tell for sure that is what is
>happening?
2nd part first. If this is a total stranger you pass in a store, that's
a very good clue. If these feelings suddenly happen in someone who's
just been a friend for a long time and suddenly becomes an obsession,
that's a clue. Just use the discrimination function, it's one of your
best tools.
1st part: You can't! Feelings and thoughts are beyond our direct
control. You can only control them by actions. Don't waste time trying
to not feel turned on. Just find something to occupy yourself. Physical
work or exercise are good. You won't be worth much doing programming or
any kind of mental work anyway, you're mind will keep going to sex and
that person.
>If this is happening how can one be sure that a person that is
>attracted to you and not the kundalini energy?
Again look for clues. But realize that K will be a part of the lives of
any in whom she is active, forever! In this case it is like being
beautiful or well built. Is the person attracted to you (your character,
your true self) or to your physical attributes? You may never be certain
but spending time with the person (not in bed) will let you understand
them and their motives better.
I know you already had several good answers but this one is too recent
in my past experience to ignore. I just had to answer.
Namaste,
Joe
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Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 13:32:49 EDT
From: GISLENNEATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Hi all, me again ....LONG
Message-ID: <af7bb865.360a8241ATnospamaol.com>
Hi All
you know, I have been unable to breath for two weeks now, in 1 month I have
been in the Emergency room twice!! I am now on steroids to keep my lungs
open...
I don't really care about the pain, IJUST DESIRE TO BREATH!!!!!!!!!
Everyday i feel as though in a few seconds i will end up on the Er again, and
I am afraid they will leave me in there, i can't afford that, i have 4
children who need me.
Yes I am married, but kids rely on their Mommy's. Especially the girls, to
brush their hair.So no, I do not want to go to the hospital...
I have tried everything. I have tried herbs, have meditated, have tried to
give myself healing, am taking my meds....whats next, death?
I'm sorry to sound like I'm giving up, but i feel as though i am unable to
function, I do not know if this is the Kundalini, cleaning out my lungs....as
i know i have tons of emotion stored in that area....
See when i was growing up, I had asthma since the age of 5, my mom cared,
but didn't really care, (you know what i mean) she would still take me places
that had dogs and cats, knowing that i was allergic to them, my mother nad
father would wait till I would pass out to take me to the Emergency room, I
would wake in the hospital room totally naked and Dr.s putting needles in my
groin to wake me up...my father was on heroin, and loved having affairs, he
would beat my mother really bad, my brothers and I would have to watch, we
starved for days at a time, living on bananas, no furniture, no
electricity...moving from house to house. Till one day my mother left my
father and met her new boyfreind who beat her as well and decided to beat us
all up with her, I was 10, my brother was 7...my other brother went to live
with my father, actually he had no choice, my mother left him behind!!
My mother then got hooked on crack cocaine, i was thrown into the streets,
because her boyfriend wanted my bedroom as his office and my brother was left
there to suffer, I would always go back though at night and my brother would
sneak me inside his room so i could sleep.
I was raped by a friend, well he didn't actually get to get his penis in
cause as he said "I was to tight", but in the process he burned me with his
ciggerette lighter on my arms, i tried to tell my mother but she thought it
was becuase I was initiated into a gang (if she only knew how shy and scared I
was ). My Grand parents wouldn't believe that my mom would have thrown me
out...so I had to continue to sometimes sleep on rooftops and basements or
halls whenever my brother couldn't sneak me in.
I'm letting everything out here, i hope you all don't mind...When i was let
back into the house to live, it would be around holiday times, but what for?
We weren't allowed to get gifts, have a newyear, we would have to stay in our
rooms sleeping, while we heard all of the neighbors celebrating. I remember
times when my brother and I were locked in closets, I in the closet my brother
in the bathroom....if we had to move our bowels really badly we couldn't until
my moms boyfriend told us we could.
Hold on, i'll be back, have to let this out....Okay, I'm back.
I rememebr one time when i had twisted my ankle and i couldn't walk on it
they made me go to the store which was 3 blocks away, it took me a whole hour
to walk three blocks, it was soooo painful!! The poeple who owned the store
told me that they could not believe that I was sent to the store, because
while i was in there it took me about 20 minutes just to walk around the store
to get what i needed, then it took an hour to get back home, I practically had
to hop...boy i can feel all the emotions I had back then, its as if I'm
reliving the whole thing!! Damn this is painful...
They used to make me walk to an all girl catholic school, it was about 3
miles from my house, I used to freeze in the winter, i can still see myself,
walking...all by my self...my mothers boyfriend would sometimes follow me in
his taxi and I was always scared he would beat me...so i would walk faster..my
mother didn't pay the school bill so the nuns would always call me to the
office and tellme that I didn't belong there, and they would let all the kids
know and they would make fun of me or beat me up after school.
One time my moms boyfriend sent me to the store to buy a jar of jam and
becuase I bought a jar of jelly he put me in his taxi and held a gun to my
head and told me he would kill me if I didn't go back in and exchange it....by
this time i had told him to go ahead and kill me, I didn't care... and when I
saw that he didn't i got out of the car and walked back home.I never changed
that jar of jelly.
Another time he made my brother and I lie flat on the bed and he whipped us
with a thick belt right on our buttocks, I rememebr my poor little brother, he
got it the worste, he wasn't able to sit for days, I got it all over becase i
fought back, then he made us watch as he made my mother kneel on all fours and
beat her!!
When i was in high school I had to wear the same clothes all the time,
because we were so poor we could not buy clothes, I remember a time before
high school in public school i was wearing this really short skirt and a
teacher put his hand under my skirt and started to feel me....I just let him,
why? I have no idea!! I have never told anyone about this either!!
My little brother and I would hide under the steps to our apt building
because we would not have winter coats and we would freeze so we would cut
school, we would stay there all day till my mom got home from work.
Why am i writing all of this? I hsve no idea, i just had to let it all
out...there is soo much more, but this is what sticks out in my mind right
now...I do not want pity from anyone, I have forgiven EVERYONEin my past,
after all. i wouldn't be where I am today if it wasn't for my experiences...
yes, they were hard, and I thought I had gotten over everything, but i guess
not, I cry with such emotion and I can see my self a s a child when i cry...I
am wondering if the asthma has to do with this and all the pain also..but as I
said i can deal with the pain, its the not being able to breath!! nI feel as
though i nedd someone to hold me and tell me it is all alright, that they are
sorry and of course i know they are ...i can share this with my husband, but
I'm afraid to cry in front of others...whats going on here?
I love you all.......gis
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:02:29 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Me again
Message-ID: <360A5F05.6821427EATnospammhonline.net>
Gis,
You've got to let it out! What triggered it? When I first read of your
breathing problems I wanted to write to you that asthma is problems with
the mother. WoW ! That's the heart of it Gis and believe me I KNOW!
Having been removed from the biological parents and growing up in an
orphanage till 8 years of age, I Know. My twin and I would not even say
the word mother. It = devil to us. My twin had an operation on her hand
to seperate the fingers Mom had melted together on a hot stove.I've had
a spinal fusion to correct the back. I still see foot doctors for the
pain, (famous quote from back then = beat them on the souls of the feet,
that way it don't show). They taught the older kids to do it. I won't go
on. The souls. Yeah it took my soul a LONG time to figure it out and to
forgive. I couldn't watch T>V. for years. Too many triggers.
When I read your post today and thought of your wonderful posts from the
past and I saw a part of myself, I was really moved.
Rant, rave, cry, go for it and please write me privately, (bandwidth) I
have been where you are today. I send you my love. I enfold your soul
with His Peace and send you much strength and comfort as His servant.
Write me Gis.
I will not rest until you do.
+ Maureen
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:31:52 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <morlightATnospammhonline.net>, "Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Me again
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Gis and Maureen,
Do you guys realize how courageous you are? When you chose this life you
took the steep high road that most of us don't have the stomach for. But
the view from the top has to be worth it.
When a substance is fired in a crucible, it changes, and it comes out more
pure in the end. It's that way with people, too.
Gis...Maureen is right. Let all the tears out. They have been smothering
you.
Holding you both in a gentle hug.
Love,
Sharon
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 98 14:51:35 CDT
From: eggers <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Me again
Message-Id: <199809241953.OAA01125ATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Dear Gis and Maureen,
I agree with Sharon. Let us absorb some of this pain. I am deeply
sympathetic with your struggle and sorry for all you have endured. You
will both be in my thoughts these next days.
Gis,Ihope this breaks through, this thing going on with your breathing. I
did not know the kundalini could work this way, until two years ago, when my
father developed lung cancer, and for several days after hearing the news I
could not breathe,that whole center was blocked. I had the same experience
again when he died, and during another emotional loss recently. Does anybody
know a mantra for the heart chakra that might behelpful to Gis?
Keep talking about this if it feels helpful.
Love,
Jill
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:02:47 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: me again
Message-ID: <360A6D27.319B1B0EATnospammhonline.net>
"Does anybody
know a mantra for the heart chakra that might behelpful to Gis?"
Yes Jill. I do.
The Litany of the Sacred Heart.
Heart of Jesus,glowing furnace of charity,
Heart of Jesus, King and center of all hearts,
Heart of Jesus,source of all consolation,
Heart of Jesus, delight of all the Saints,
have mercy on us.
Amen
Rev. Maureen
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:28:57 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: rooftops
Message-ID: <360A7349.DBBEFF72ATnospammhonline.net>
A MUST SEE,
http://members.aol.com/phikent/orbit/orbit.html
+ Maureen
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:41:45 -0500
From: balaji_radhakrishnanATnospamem.fcnbd.com
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Last question
Message-Id: <9809249066.AA906671303ATnospamem.fcnbd.com>
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Hi Radhakrishnan,
Feel free to send this to the list as well. I am unsubscribed now for about
a month so I cannot send it. I am leaving the internet completely this
weekend.
> First of all, why should you feel like coming back with a new name..
> There is nothing in this entire universe that one should hide his
> originality from. this is my point of view.. that's how I am.
Your right a person should never hide from thier name. Guess I was just
uncomfortable with my questions but I needed to ask them anyhow. Was not
sure how everyone was going to react to them.
>
> Regarding your question, I too have felt this. I would rather term it
> as spiritually attracted than sexually attracted. It is true that our
> kundalini does a lot than we would possibily think of. It varies from
> one to another.
Every time I try to convince myself that it is not the Kundalini things will
take place that basically proves that it is. This is something I will be
meditating on quite a bit in this coming month and other spiritual changes
that are taking place in me.
>
> Why you should stop that.. If you persist in stoping, I have found an
> effective way to do it.. Just keep thinking the way you want it to be.
> being a kundalini yogi, your thought can make all the difference. You
> can control the vibrations that come out of you. All actions follow
> thought. Try and see if it works.
I will give this a test but not in stopping the K. Even though there are
moments when it becomes a great temptation. I am hoping by the time I
return I will be at more peace with myself and the chances that are taking
place.
>
> Please make sure, you don't come back with a different name but with
> the same name 'kat'.
Thank you for your concern! I will be coming back with my name. Also
thank you for your advice in this message.
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 16:12:46 -0600
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: Joseph Miller <joemillerATnospamhotmail.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Last question
Message-ID: <360AC3DE.297DE2F2ATnospamwtp.net>
Joseph Miller wrote:
> It gets worse. If the above happens and you stay in contact with that
> person you can form a positive feedback loop and these feelings can
> ratchet up in both of you, sometimes quite rapidly. They can become
> almost overpowering.
I have two questions:1. How can you avoid creating this feedback loop?
2. If you do find yourself in one, how do you get out?
Nancy
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 12:29:09 -1000 (HST)
From: Andrw <kungfishATnospamaol.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: AutoPost from Kundalini Resource Center
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I have not studied for some time. I am looking for someone to study with in my area. New Orleans.
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 1998 15:44:43 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Goodbye
Message-ID: <19980924224444.21654.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear Kat:
I haven't responded to many posts, most people have better answers than
I do. But, I wanted you to know how much I have enjoyed your presence on
this list, and how much I will miss you.
I hope to run across you again some day.
Love and blessings to you. -Jim
Hi All,
Well this is my last post. Just wanted to thank everyone that has been
working with me through different thoughts and ideas! Thank you for
being
there for me when I have been screaming and mad and not asking me to be
of
the light.....until of course I cooled down! Thank you for accepting
both
the Negetive and the Postive aspects of me. I will miss each and
everyone
of you! My one wish for all on list and for myself is that we all
continue
along our paths and continue to learn the lessons we are here to learn.
Should any of us fall may we all continue to have the strength that I
have
seen on this list to pick up the one that has fallen and gently put them
back on the path. May the Kundalini do what she does! and allow us the
ride
of our lives!
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat
Now in the next post lets see if I am successful at unsubsribing!
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