1998/09/23 15:22
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #675
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 675
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Detatchment [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: spirits,soul.......... [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
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Re: P,K,K9 [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.i ]
Re: Detatchment [ "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.c ]
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 11:56:53 PDT
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Hi,
I have to leave for a little while from this wonderful list. My short
stay here has given me much joy & enlightenment. I shall be in the
eastern hemisphere for the next few weeks and shall resuscribe on my
return. Hope that the Oct 10 adminition there not be in the way.
Much love.
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I would like to know about the experiences of others as to physical swelling in the perineal region for men and women following or during a kundalini experience. This would seem to indicate a measureable physiological phenomenon and perhaps correlate with the early concepts of the shiva linga icon where the linga is exiting the yoni. I am a physicist and have neen writing and teaching in this field for over 20 years and find more fascination with the subject each year.
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:54:06 -0400
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To: "Magne Aga" <magneagaATnospammonet.no>
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Subject: Re: OCTOBER THE 10TH - A CRUCIAL DATE OF FREQUENCY RAISEMENT
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If you can accept them as God's children and love them in return for
their ill will and their
>hatred, then you can face the world as one of enlightment. Every
step of
>the disciples path is fraught with this particular temptation, for
you are
>never universally loved, understood or accepted."
>(Sananda)
Dear Magne,
You are blessed for trying to help the mentally ill. I admire you
for your efforts. Just stepping into a mental hospital frightens me
so that I am barely able to walk. I have had relatives to visit
there, and my great fear was that the hospital would not let me leave
when I went to visit.
The line above is so true, for everyone -all creation- lies within
us. To hate any part of it is to hate ourselves. It must be loved
and transformed into light. This is the mystery of how thoughts
transform into matter. The inner and outer planes are connected by a
beam of light (you); and are reflections of each other. The inner
plane is entirely malleable to your thought and belief. You are God.
Your brothers and sisters rest within your "kingdom" as children of
your consciousness, and without as your brethren. You too are the
child of their consciousness. Through these means all creation lies
within your grasp and knowledge.
Love, Brother
Cathy
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:30:53 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
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Subject: Re: shout from rooftops
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Hi Maureen,
It sometimes takes me days to respond to all my e-mail that
accumulates over the weekend. Your comments below are very
interesting. Why is it these things sound wonderful, and yet they
seem to be harbingers of dread?
The "quickening" may refer to the speeding up of Cause & Effect,
which I think is preferable. Viewing Auras certainly is becoming
more commonplace. I have already mentioned to this list (I think)
that an acquaintance of mine is having her aura massaged regularly by
a Chinese acupuncturist, who is also treating her migraine headaches
with magnets.
Is it frightening to contemplate because of the possibility of
Armageddon (forgive spelling please). I think we may have already
had that war; it may be a compilation of the wars fought this century
and the many horrors inflicted upon the lands and peoples and all
living things on this planet. What is time; it all happened in the
Now. We have had smoke from Desert Storm fill the skies and blot out
part of the sun's light. We have had many natural disasters and
floods in the US alone, and reports come in from all over the world
for hurricanes, floods and earthquakes. Information travels the
globe instantaneously, and all of us in the US, even the children,
are numbers.
Anyone else perceive the signs? We may have even discovered the
identity of the Great Whore. :-)))
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 2:31 PM
Subject: shout from rooftops
>Hi Cathy,
> Another interpetation is that by the end times some will have
developed
>the abilities to see the aura and read it. As a person thinketh in
>his/her heart so it will show as also the evolution of the soul.
Some
>will have visible haloes,but that first interpetation about Mr C.has
>been haunting me for a while now.
>Blessings of more Light.
>+ Maureen
>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 13:54:51 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: <YahseyesATnospamaol.com>, <carreaATnospamvideotron.ca>, <Michael.GoodwinATnospamjcu.edu.au>,
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Subject: Re: Re: evidence II or Memoirs of my Mental Illness
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>Given the above, is this what is meant by the illusion of the
opposites and if
>so, where is the non-illusion?
>
>Thanks for reading this far. Lou
A tough subject, and not my forte (all the mathematics and physics).
Why does there appear to be some relationship between duality,
reality, God and the number line?
-3, -2, -1, 0, 1, 2, 3
Dark / Light
Which is real. Can darkness chase away the light? Is one of them
just an illusion. Darkness is merely the presence of no light. If
you cannot/chose not to see the light, you perceive yourself to be in
darkness. You are the light. Your light never goes out. False
perception of Duality is the illusion. This concept was written in A
Course in Miracles.
Cathy
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:33:49 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com, magneagaATnospammonet.no
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: OCTOBER THE 10TH - A CRUCIAL DATE OF FREQUENCY RAISEMENT
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As I study kundalini as a solitary and do not really belong to any religion
(yet all), I am unaware of the significance of the 10/10 date. It is
apparently a big date as I saw numerous posts on it. Can someone enlighten me
or direct to a place where I can look myself? Thank you Lou
Date: 23 Sep 98 15:49:01 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Detatchment
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Detatchment is the most remarkable thing. Absolutely nothing taken
personally. To personally take nothingness for yourself. Absolutely
nothing that can speak to you or affect you, no sensitivity or
affective disorders, no connection to anything. No song that sings
words you believe in. Everything has no connection to you. All just a
bunch of events going on around, within themselves, perfectly
imprisoned by nothing. No paranoia. The pretty clouds are not so
pretty anymore, the rushing river not so enticing, the thought of a
loving God not so necessary. All the efforts a deception. To
experience an `other' is to take them personally. Posession, the
devil's angle. Just standing alone, no influences, nothing talking on
your behalf, nothing special, not even special in it not being
special. Immune to others egotism because it is not taken personally,
not experienced. No self to be influenced. Nothing. Horrific people
thinking that a pretty love is real and that the unpretty love is
evil. Deceptions. Even words spoken that one would speak are wrong.
Even to say there is no God is not the thing. Nothing.
--
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Date: 23 Sep 98 15:38:28 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: spirits,soul..........
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>
> I was thinking r the spirits and soul same?
>
> Is soul completely pure free frm any distortions?
>
> If soul is completely pure than it can't be equal to spirit for there is
> a bad part in spirits.
>
> Can spirits think ? they do suffer for have heard quite a few cases.
>
> If i am looking for soul than who am I ?
I tackled this last night.
You can never see yourself. When you think you are seeing yourself it
is because your true self is hidden and your sense of self is
distorted. Truth has no idea of the existence of falseness. If spirit
is that truth then spirit has no ability to know that it exists and in
this respect is pure, apparently.
Asking if soul and spirit are seperate is actually to ask for
validation for the seperation that is already occuring in yourself,
from which has been born this suggestion that there are two
constructs. And it is only in that uncertainty that you ask the
question to which you already have the answer.
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:34:18 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Detatchment
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Hi Paul. Interesting overview of pure detachment, at least from my
perspective. So, if I agree with what you said (and I did), does that mean
detachment as preached by every Buddist, Yogi, Hindu, Zen, etc. etc. etc. and
every great written sacred work back from as far back as we can see, is not so
great after all? I for one, don't really want to attain attachment if this is
where I'll end up. I kind of like the illusion. I am sure your message used
sarcasm to get the point across and it did it well, but now what? Do we just
say, oh forget it, and do something else? There must be something that is
driving us all on this list to seek the truth and every sage I have read says
the same thing, detachment is a key step, so what gives????? What is your
take? Thanks Lou
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:03:51 -0400
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
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Subject: Re: Atheism
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Hi Paul,
>Last night I became an atheist. My idea of God was always a deception,
>to think I could ever have an experience of such a thing. There is no
>God.
Been there done that! and that is not the way you really feel. So what has
happened to suddenly get you this upset? Why are you suddenly so mad at
God?
. How can anyone ever know that they
>are getting it right?
We don't. We just do the best that we can. We listen to the voice from
within. Sometimes we do not hear it because we are to busy listening to our
ego's.
I never thought God could be the biggest
>enemy.
He isn't until you make him one and even then it is only in your mind. It
does not make it the truth.
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat
PS: I am unsubscribing later tonight so if you decide to respond to this
you might want to send it to my email address. Feel free to copy anythng we
say to the list. I'll be online to the end of the week.
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:12:40 -0400
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>, "Siva" <guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz>
Subject: Re: P,K,K9
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Hi Charan,
>I understand in humans some of do suffer due to injury because of karma and
>if someone does put us out of misery then we are born again and suffer
>further because we couldn't finish off the karma in the last life due
>someone interfering.
I understand what you are saying here but give this idea a thought as well.
Perhaps the person that is putting a person out of thier misery is just
completeing one of the jobs that they had to do while they were here in
order to correct some of their karma and it is also connected with the karma
of the person that they are helping. Just a thought.
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:21:05 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
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Dear Paul: I sense that there is a simple element missing here: for me,
the detachment comes when I am able to release the attachment of my
personal take on a thing, because the detachment isn't in isolation. It
is accompanied by a deep understanding of my own clinging, but also a
compassion and understanding of the "other" thing, or person, to which
or whom I reacted. This link, detached compassion, reunites me with
all, and the lack of emotional uproar is replaced by peace. All is
underway and greater than I can know. I need not worry, or react, or
judge. My only job is to be, and to love. I believe am able to do so
as I feel the drive of energy to attend to whatever the next step may be
for me or any other being or thing. the relief is awesome. does this
shed any light on your take? much love and great light to you, katrina
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>Detatchment is the most remarkable thing. Absolutely nothing taken
>personally. To personally take nothingness for yourself. Absolutely
>nothing that can speak to you or affect you, no sensitivity or
>affective disorders, no connection to anything. No song that sings
>words you believe in. Everything has no connection to you. All just a
>bunch of events going on around, within themselves, perfectly
>imprisoned by nothing. No paranoia. The pretty clouds are not so
>pretty anymore, the rushing river not so enticing, the thought of a
>loving God not so necessary. All the efforts a deception. To
>experience an `other' is to take them personally. Posession, the
>devil's angle. Just standing alone, no influences, nothing talking on
>your behalf, nothing special, not even special in it not being
>special. Immune to others egotism because it is not taken personally,
>not experienced. No self to be influenced. Nothing. Horrific people
>thinking that a pretty love is real and that the unpretty love is
>evil. Deceptions. Even words spoken that one would speak are wrong.
>Even to say there is no God is not the thing. Nothing.
>
>--
>Paul.
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 17:23:15 -0400
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: "Anurag Goel" <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in>,
"Kundalini Mailing List" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: spirits,soul..........
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Hi Anurag,
>I was thinking r the spirits and soul same?
No. But I am not sure how to explain the difference with words.
>
>Is soul completely pure free frm any distortions?
No as I understand it the soul is learning as well but it has less
distortions then we do. The soul is on a higher vibration.
>
>If soul is completely pure than it can't be equal to spirit for there is
>a bad part in spirits.
The soul is learning just like we are. Therefore it too can have some
imperfections. Spirits can be both bad and good. Depends on the preception
of the person that is having to deal with them. A Spirit can do something
that seems at the time to be very negetive but when the lesson is completely
understood it can then be precieve as a good thing. All things of nature
be it human or spirit has light in them. Some more then others.
>
>Can spirits think ? they do suffer for have heard quite a few cases.
I guess it depend on what spirit your talking about. Yes I believe they can
all think. Only the ones that are dealing with negetive issues are doing
any suffering and this does not have to be the case.
>
>If i am looking for soul than who am I ?
I'll skip this one! as it is mind boggling and one I am still working on.
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 14:55:51 PDT
From: "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
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Subject: Re: beware spooky dream kundalini rising
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>Angelique,
>
>> You cannot get away from him in your dreams, because the man in
your
>> dreams is a reflection of your own self. You must forgive him, or
love bomb
>> him into oblivion. Remember, your unconscious mind is male, and it
presents
>> you with stuff so you can release it with love.
>
>The unconscious only appears as the opposite sex when there is
>illusion inbetween, defining it as other than the whole self.
Paul, Angelique:
Actually, it's symbolic of the two aspects of a person
(masculine/feminine). . . isn't it?
- Hudson
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Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 16:03:19 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Siva <guardianATnospamxtra.co.nz>
cc: Kat <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: P,K,K9
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On Wed, 23 Sep 1998, Siva wrote:
>
> Is it not karma to kill and know that you are killing, it may not alot of
> karma but it all adds up in the end. Pleading ignorance goes only so far,
> you still suffer some karma.
>
> This is just my opinion but I feel we have no right to kill wether it be
> for good or evil.
Wat if the one u r going to kill is on to ur life ?
Someone is calling u for help for another one is trying to kill that
someone. Wat will u do with another one ?
Wat about the judges who punish some criminals " To be hanged until death"
?
Wat abt the soldiers who defend their country in war ?
Wat when doctors have to kill one infant or mother so that the other can
be saved otherwise both will die.
love,
anurag
> I understand in humans some of do suffer due to injury because of karma and
> if someone does put us out of misery then we are born again and suffer
> further because we couldn't finish off the karma in the last life due
> someone interfering.
> For example, there is a story of an arabian bandit who took out the eyes of
> the travellers he robbed, in the next life he was born blind so as to
> experience and understand what he did in the past life. Ofcourse in the
> present life he will not realise that is why he is blind, but when he
> returns to the spirit world, he will remember everything and note down his
> experiences.
> If you like more real life example, that would be me(no I am not blind)
>
> Charan
>
Date: Wed, 23 Sep 1998 15:14:13 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: Detatchment
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real detachment requires aliveness; you may be experiencing emotional
death. We've known both. they are not the same, but do help us find
compassion. Love, Guy
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>Dear Paul: I sense that there is a simple element missing here: for me,
>the detachment comes when I am able to release the attachment of my
>personal take on a thing, because the detachment isn't in isolation.
It
>is accompanied by a deep understanding of my own clinging, but also a
>compassion and understanding of the "other" thing, or person, to which
>or whom I reacted. This link, detached compassion, reunites me with
>all, and the lack of emotional uproar is replaced by peace. All is
>underway and greater than I can know. I need not worry, or react, or
>judge. My only job is to be, and to love. I believe am able to do so
>as I feel the drive of energy to attend to whatever the next step may
be
>for me or any other being or thing. the relief is awesome. does this
>shed any light on your take? much love and great light to you, katrina
>
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>>Subject: Detatchment
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>>Detatchment is the most remarkable thing. Absolutely nothing taken
>>personally. To personally take nothingness for yourself. Absolutely
>>nothing that can speak to you or affect you, no sensitivity or
>>affective disorders, no connection to anything. No song that sings
>>words you believe in. Everything has no connection to you. All just a
>>bunch of events going on around, within themselves, perfectly
>>imprisoned by nothing. No paranoia. The pretty clouds are not so
>>pretty anymore, the rushing river not so enticing, the thought of a
>>loving God not so necessary. All the efforts a deception. To
>>experience an `other' is to take them personally. Posession, the
>>devil's angle. Just standing alone, no influences, nothing talking on
>>your behalf, nothing special, not even special in it not being
>>special. Immune to others egotism because it is not taken personally,
>>not experienced. No self to be influenced. Nothing. Horrific people
>>thinking that a pretty love is real and that the unpretty love is
>>evil. Deceptions. Even words spoken that one would speak are wrong.
>>Even to say there is no God is not the thing. Nothing.
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>>--
>>Paul.
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