1998/09/22 07:28
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #672
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 672
Today's Topics: Re: Re: Rain.. [ "Hudson Jackson II" ]
Verse III [ nannuATnospamcombase.com ] Re: We need to define negativity... [ "Kat" ]
Re: Warm fuzzies please... [ "Mel August" ] Re: evidence II [ Mike ]
Re: Warm fuzzies please... [ "Lucius" ] creativity [ "Lucius" ]
Re: P,K,K9 [ Anurag Goel ] Paul, my son [ UweJohannATnospamaol.com ]
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 16:30:50 PDT From: "Hudson Jackson II"
To: YahseyesATnospamaol.com Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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>Hey, here is a cute one I would like to see if anyone can figure it out. No,
>I don't know the answer but this group seems to be the right people to ask...
>ok, here goes: >
>I was in Japan on business after being to about 4 other Asian countries to
>check our computer operations oversea. My wife and I were in the hotel room
>with a remote channel changer but every button was unreadable in Japanesse
>letters. We had no clue on how to watch the movie, "dirty dancing" with >Japanesse dubbed in, we wanted to hear it English. slept that night
and >dreamed deeply. woke up with a very focused memory of my dream on a
>particulat button on the changer that would allow the movie to go from being
>dubbed in Japannesse so we could watch it in the original English. Note: we
>didn't know anything about a button that would do this on the remote, it was
>all a big dream. I woke up next day, the dream was still very intense in my
>head and I ran over to the remote, found a button on it in Japanesse that I
>was sure would do it based on only my dream. well, I Pressed the button and
>this immediatly started sounding in original English. if you think that was
>weird, I have some more cuties up my sleeve.
So, what's the question??!? :-)
All right, all right, here's my take on the situation:
You probably didn't have anyone around to assist you with the remote because it was late for some other reason. Because of your need to know
how to hear a movie or show in English - because it was that strong and focused - your higher self (or God or whoever usually helps you out)
heard about it, picked up your request, and sent an answer in the form of a lucid dream. Interesting, ain't it? As Angelique would say,
"God(dess) provides". . . heh-heh. :-)
I'll tell you, anything else would be beyond the scope of my knowledge and experience, and I have someone kind of watching over my shoulder at
the moment, so I'll leave my answer at that.
- Hudson
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Java (n.): Coffee fit for consumption by computer.
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:53:29 -0400 From: "Kat"
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Hi Lucis,
> you ever been ridiculed because you wouldn't kill a bug?
Yes and more then once. I have been known to pick up spiders in tissue paper and put them outside. I also recently did this with a crocket (sp)
My ex boyfriend thought I was overdoing it when it came to the insects and my ex husband just laughed his head off and killed different insects right
in front of me after I had tried to spare their lifes.
Can't say that I don't get somewhat sadist with ants sometimes....not sure what the difference is.
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:02:41 -0500 From: nannuATnospamcombase.com
To: "Kundalini-l" Subject: Verse III
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THE WAY TO SELF-KNOWLEDGE (V IV)
Bewildered lives the learned mind
That cannot make his peace with God, Cannot the Living Splendor find,
Sans which he is a lump of sod.
Unbroken Peace and endless Joy Of Self-Unfoldment are for those
Who ne'r the others' peace destroy, And ne'r by force their will impose.
Know that you ne'r can take by stortn,
The Eternal Kingdom of the Lord, Unless you model and reform
Yourself with His Law to accord.
Whate er might be the discipline, Whate'er the Faith which you embrace,
Unless in tune with Law within, You ne'r can find your way to Grace.
A hundred teachers, highly versed
In knowledge of the sacred lore, And all the secret rites observed,
Cannot push to the other Shore
One who does not himself practise The methods and the virtues ruled,
Depends on others for the prize, And is by promises befooled.
Remember that in our approach
To finding out the way to God, It cannot be some well-paid coach
Who can uplift us from the sod.
How can the Lord supreme of all, Who holds the cosmos under sway,
Permit one to His audience hall, Who brings in those his wages pay'?
The error lies in our approach,
For ere embarking on the quest We surely must engage a coach,
To read the scriptures and digest
Study and leaming must come first Attended by reflection deep,
Aright to channelize our thirst Safe from erratic trends to keep.
It may take years or e'en a life
To know the port one has to reach, And for this span till one is, ripe
A tutor may be paid to teach.
After this none save an adept, Who has himself approached the Shore,
And on his acts a vigil kept, Can, for this task, come to the fore.
It is not hard to pick him out
Of myriads who themselves encrown, Their titles through the media shout
To reach the crowds in every town.
It is not hard to mark the one Who knows the way to the other Coast
He will not say that he has won, Nor will he of his merits boast.
No dais, reverently kept
Reserved for his exclusive use, Will form the seat of an adept
Who will such mummery refuse,
Nor will he, like a circus show, Seat his disciples on the floor
Below him in his hall aglow With lights, while others drong the door.
Nor will he e'er his garments dye
Nor wear a spectacular dress, Nor by his pose or gesture try
The folk to hoodwink or impress.
Simple in dress, subdued and calm And mingling freely with the crowd,
His honest words act like a balm To melt the hearts of e'en the proud.
The man of God would ne'r agree
To pageantry or pomp and show, Nor e'er pretend, to gain a fee,
To secrets which he does not know.
The tales of miracles performed And gifts bestowed, that are so rife,
Are only for the ill-informed For none thereby found deathless life.
If ever by a lucky chance
You come across a true adept Who has attained the ecstatic trance,
And with the excess of rapture wept
Ask him, before you e'er embark On this adventure, what he gained,
What happy features did he mark, And what rare blessings on him rained?
This is the knowledge you must gain,
Before you take the practice up, For, if you for a contest train,
You must know more about the cup.
That is why it is good to read, Before you start the exercise,
What some of those, who won the meed, Have said about this enterprise.
This is not what these teachers ask,
Because then they would lose their hold, For, when you once complete this task
You will be no more in their fold.
This study, with attention done, Will make you sure of what I say,
For if you count on only one, The odds are you will lose the way.
After this task, act on this rhyme,
Keeping in mind the hints conveyed, If you devote sufficient time,
And all instructions are obeyed,
You may be sure of steady gain, A slow advance, not sudden dash,
For 'tis not wise to press the brain To emit a meteoric flash
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(c) Galleon Software Inc. http://www.galleon.com Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 20:06:21 -0400
From: "Kat" To: "Sharon Webb" ,
Subject: Re: We need to define negativity... Message-ID:
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Hi Sharon,
I left the whole message in since it has taken me awhile to reply to it.
>>our words are heard by our unconsious side. This part of us will do what
>>ever we say and does not take the time to analize wether we are correct in >>our statment or not.
> >I definitely believe this is true; however, there is a paradoxical side to
>it, too. >
>I know a woman who constantly says that she is "filled with the light and >love of Jesus Christ." And she goes on to say that she has "forgiven" her
>mother-in-law (dead many years) for alleged wrongs. Yet...just about anyone
>who observes this woman can see that she hasn't forgiven anyone and that she
>is filled with rage, so here's a case where self-convincing just didn't >work.
I think what you describe here is a different situtation all together. She is speaking false words but does not know it She is too blinded by her own
false words to hear them or to see how other people can hear them. I think this is where the soul gets involved beyond the unconsious mind. The
soul knows what is truth and what is false and will find another way to bring this to her attention. Events will take place one way or another.
Perhaps in a way that no one around her will recognize it, but she will. Just a thought on this sitution, I could be wrong.
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:27:05 PDT From: "Mel August"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com Subject: Re: Warm fuzzies please...
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Well, anyways..
> After 7 attempts to cross the border with ever increasing documentation
>of my intentions to return home to my beloved Vancouver after my vision >quest, I lost my temper and asked for a judicial hearing.
Mys...
I live in Michigan...about an hour from the border. Is there anything I could do to help? Perhaps meet you at the border? Afterall, I am an
American citizen and a Witch. Maybe I could lend my voice in some way? We need more open minded people here...even if they are just visiting.
Please let me know. Blessed bee...
Bodacia
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 18:51:30 -0700 From: beisamATnospamjuno.com (a s)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: take a break : )
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Hey there fellow k-listers, I havent answered your suggestions to my creative block yet, I have not
had time to do them justice... been a little mind muddled but, the news reminded me that summer is fast coming to and end so I
wanted to share this with you... With summer ending and fall begining, here is a little something you
might like to try...ballancing eggs. The pull of the moon during the spring and the fall is enough that you
can ballance eggs on end,,, uncooked eggs. As far as I know the only times this is possible is during the equinoxes.
check out the page I put up with a picture of one of my past ballancing acts,,,,
For a little more fun,,, I also put up a picture of Mount Saint Hellens when she blew her top...
so you can all count the faces in the cloud of ash. St Helens is kinda dear to my heart, on a clear day we can see her from our neigborhood, we
have pics of her explosion ... this is not one of mine however. http://members.tripod.com/fredaann/eggs.html
take a break wensday, ballance some eggs.... I was told it was a good omen to so : )
freda _____
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From: PamENixonATnospamaol.com To: kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: P,K,K9
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In a message dated 9/21/98 6:59:21 PM Central Daylight Time, kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca writes:
< My ex boyfriend thought I was overdoing it when it came to the insects and
my ex husband just laughed his head off and killed different insects right in front of me after I had tried to spare their lifes. >>
I'm glad he is an "ex!" No compassion!
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 21:22:37 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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> >
>After all this talk on animals and humans i was thinking if animals can >think. Do they have dreams ?
> >love,
>anurag >
Hahaha! You must not have pets if you are asking that question! I can
often watch my dog or cat as they are sleeping and dreaming. You can see their muscles twitch as they dream they are running. Sometimes they
make muted growling or barking noises or their mouths move as if they are drinking or eating. You can also see their eyes twitching in this
REM state. One time my cat was having such a nightmare that I tried to wake her. She was so scared by the dream she almost bit me until she
realized that it had been a dream and I was not the boogey man! -E
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Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 00:15:22 +0100 From: "Lobster"
To: "Kundalini - L" , "Fernando Velez-Pardo"
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>> Many people will walk in and out of your life, >> but only true friends will leave footprints in your heart.
Lobster wears boots and removes Hearts
>> The easiest way not to get hurt is not to care, >> but that is the hardest thing to do.
Who cares for pain - will find it
>> To handle yourself, use your head; >> To handle others, use your heart.
To handle God . . . forget it - you can't . . .
>> Anger is only one letter short of danger.
Three more and it becomes stranger
(how significant!)
>> If someone betrays you once, it's his fault;
>> if he betrays you twice, it's your fault.
Thinking betrayal is a betrayal
>> Great minds discuss ideas;
>> Average minds discuss events; >> Small minds discuss people.
No Mind discusses Nothing
>> God gives every bird it's food, >> But he does not throw it into it's nest.
Help a chicken reincarnate to a higher life form Eat it.
>> He who loses money, loses much;
>> He who loses a friend, loses more; >> He who loses faith, loses all.
He who gains faith is already lost
>> Beautiful young people are accidents of nature, >> But beautiful old people are works of art.
Happy the accident artfully crafted to look natural
>> Learn from the mistakes of others.
>> You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
Live well enough to make right your mistakes
>> The tongue weighs practically nothing,
>> But so few people can hold it.
An orgasm is precious
. . . so we let it go . . .
Please pass on this cookie fortune wisdom
You might call it your 'spirituality' and impress others with wisdom
Or you might grow up a little and search for Real Wisdom
Be Well
Confucius Lobster Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:34:13 +1000 (EST)
From: Mike To: Antoine Carre ,
Kundalini Group , B-II
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> Mike if you want to use logic and only logic, at least push it to it's > limits like physicist try to do, like Newton, ever read is original work
> from him? Far much different that what is teached at school... Or Einstein, > or today in the theory of Chaos in maths, or the search for the Entity
> called "quantum gravity" by physicist today. The term "_REALLY_" there you > use in an empirical way, will come to have an all new meaning in a
> scientific way, if you push your science. Please do not limit your logic to > Aristotle A is not equal to non A, it's a prison for your mind.
>From a logical perspective, how can A not equal itself? If "A" equals "A",
how is "A" not "A". Seems to be a Paradox.
> An electron that as collapsed in an state, to that of substance, is in > another reality than an electron not yet touched by a form of observation.
> That is a principle of quantum relativity.
Please extrapolate here. As far as I knew electrons only made up _part_ of matter/substance (Atoms, protons, neutrons, intermolcular forces, ionic
bonds, etc, etc made up the rest). What is a collapsed electron?
> Extrapoling here, if you want to > stay in the state of a collapsed electron, it's your choice, only you can
> uncollapse yourself to your multidimentionnal state.
Metaphorical statement? Probablt better understood once the "collapsed elctron" bit is explained.
curious, interested, seeking,
+ Mike ++
You're just jealous because the voices only talk to me
[art-mjg4ATnospamJCU.edu.au]
Department of Psychology
James Cook University Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:38:57 -0400
From: "Lucius" To: "kundalini people" ,
"Mystress Angelique Serpent" , "Mel August"
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>Mys... >I live in Michigan...about an hour from the border. Is there anything I
>could do to help? Perhaps meet you at the border? Afterall, I am an >American citizen and a Witch. Maybe I could lend my voice in some way?
>We need more open minded people here...even if they are just visiting. >Please let me know.
>Blessed bee... >Bodacia
i live in michigan too, about as far from the border as well. maybe if we
get a mob of people to meet you we'll get something done. :) Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 10:52:22 -0400
From: "Lucius" To: "kundalini people"
Subject: creativity Message-ID:
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noticed a few messages about how when people
enter the world of kundalini they have intense accelerattions of creativity. ive noticed a similiar situation in myself.ive never been any good at drawing but, i
was at work a while ago and had some copper wiring that i was doing some electronics with. suddenly it occurred to me that i could make something out of
it, and for awhile made little figures out of it. a dragon a gargoyle, stuff like that. but then it dragged off and just didnt feel "right"
anymore. then, for whatever reason, it occurred to me to make stuff out of clay, and ever since i thought this i have had this irrepressible desire to go out and
get some and work with it. so, ill let you guys know how that turns out, ive never been very good at any art as far as expressing something. but i think i
can with clay. Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 16:16:56 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel To: Kat
cc: YahseyesATnospamaol.com, morlightATnospammhonline.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Yes, I too felt that save the life of insects by driving them away rather than killing it.
But i was thinking wat to do abt the ant which has been unknowingly
seriously injured by us. One who is no longer able to walk. Wat to do with that?
love,
anurag
On Mon, 21 Sep 1998, Kat wrote:
> Hi Lucis, >
> > you ever been ridiculed because you wouldn't kill a bug? >
> > Yes and more then once. I have been known to pick up spiders in tissue
> paper and put them outside. I also recently did this with a crocket (sp) > My ex boyfriend thought I was overdoing it when it came to the insects and
> my ex husband just laughed his head off and killed different insects right > in front of me after I had tried to spare their lifes.
> > Can't say that I don't get somewhat sadist with ants sometimes....not sure
> what the difference is. >
> In L&L & Understanding, >
> Kat >
> Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 06:56:14 -0400
From: Barbara Alexander To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
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Mailer Daemon,
Sorry, don't know how that happened. Aunt Barbara
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 08:32:58 -0400 From: Barbara Alexander
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" Subject: to list
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A lot of strange things are happening. It could be my server. It's been down a lot lately. It could be my computer. It is very
temperamental at times. It could be me. I've been messing up electronic equipment lately, elevator doors, my computer, answering machines.....
I'm getting strange flashes of light inside the front of my head, seeing specks of light around electrical stuff, and seeing energy fields around
things including my hands. One last statement about my grandson, he'll be leaving the hospital
with his finger still attached. Much thanks and love to all that helped make that possible.
It is probably best if I unsubscribe for awhile until I get these strange happenings worked out.
I'll be going out of town in a week or so anyway and would have to unsubscribe then for the duration anyway. Hope that I haven't caused
too much disruption. Now if someone will be so kind as to help me out here. Yes I am one
of those dork brains that can't remember how to unsubscribe. I know that I need to type unsubscribe in the subject space.... lower case or
caps....do I need quotation marks around it? Thanks and much love to all,
Barbara Alexander Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:36:49 -0400
From: Barbara Alexander To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com"
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Is there any way to shield my computer? I touch the mouse and freeze
the the screen three out of four times. I'm really tired of having to restart.
Barbara Alexander Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:51:59 -0400
From: Antoine Carre To: Mike ,
Kundalini Group , B-II
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>Please extrapolate here. As far as I knew electrons only made up _part_ of
>matter/substance (Atoms, protons, neutrons, intermolcular forces, ionic >bonds, etc, etc made up the rest). What is a collapsed electron?
Hello Mike,
Take a cloud in the sky and imagine your are made of ice in a world made of ice. Each time you develop tools to look at the cloud or the sky, it changes
the cloud you observe into a big ice cube. From this image you can say that the ice cube is the collapsed form of the cloud. The cloud as many
possibilities of manifestation, but for the person made of ice, it can only be seen as ice, at the limit water for a time.
Now replace the cloud by an electron or any matter, before observation by
the human mind. Time and space, replace the cold in the example. So each time we observe matter (any matter at a small enought level), a cloud of
possibilities lying for the electron in our example, we collapse this cloud into one form of manisfetation. The cloud of matter is trap in our mind,
from our lens of past, futur, present and space, and so, and so. (The Fall?).
Now with this anology (maths talk better about quantum theory than words),
it's interesting to compare the effect of heat on the special cloud ice cube and k on an human body/ego/mind. (Redemption?)
Antoine
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 1998 09:54:07 EDT From: UweJohannATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Paul, my son
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Hello dear friends,
I'm here on List over one year, don't write much, learned a lot. Now comes a time, next week on wednesday, my 11 years old son, Paul, has to go
to hospital, for a replacement of his artifical draining-system for the brainliquid, don't know the right english discription of it. He needs this
draining-system since his birth, he went through several operations in his first half year and this draining-system and a lot of scars remained. It was
our time of learnig acceptance. More than one time Paul was near the death in this half year. It was a long time, to long to tell it here.....
Two years ago, I learned a healing treatment with lay-on-hands. For this
treatment the chakras where re-activatet by the teacher, hwo touched the chakras 30 sec. for each, with the exception of the root-chakra.
After this education (only some days) I started to treat some People, mostly family members and some workmates and Paul of course.
The treatment for Paul was, in arrangement with his paediatrician, 30 sec. touch on his forehead, and 30 sec. touch on his top of his head and behind his
ears. Thats all. One day he came to me and tould me, he can see the currents, running through his body and some weeks later he come excited from his room,
tried to sleep and said: 'I was lieing in my bed and relaxing, then a current started to stream through my spine up to the head and exploded there......
booowww....' Definitely he could not know from such an experience, I never had it like
this and I don't tell him the other things. I think I have to watch it now.
As far as to the prehistory. Paul is very sensitive and sympathetic and now his coming operation is a great burden for him and my wife, his sister and
me. I was sitting in my office on work, thinking, how I can help him, there cames a thought, I will tell him, there are a lot of nice people in the whole
world, who will send him love and good thoughts. I was thinking of you, dear friends on K-List, yes, and I decided, I will ask you to send him love.
Immediately I was flooded with a beautiful stream of energy, ..indescribable... there were some present....?!... no.. I cant take it in
words... but very, very overwhelming.
This I wanted to tell you and I belief, I got an answer whithout asking by letter for Paul, to send him love, but I will do it anyway next week.
love
Uwe
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