1998/09/21 16:31
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #671
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 671
Today's Topics:
Fire [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: Warm fuzzies please... [ "RevDL.K.RM" <htminATnospamptdprolog.net> ]
Re: aminals [ "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.c ]
Re: aminals [ "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.c ]
Re: aminals [ "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.c ]
Re: prana and kundalini and animals [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: animal healing [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: Animals and suicide [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.i ]
Re: Animals and suicide [ WEIVODAATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Animals/dreams [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: Animals and suicide [ "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
A TIME for Every Season (Re: tapes) [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: animal healing / animal consciou [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
shout from rooftops [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: Killing of animals--bad dharmic, [ PamENixonATnospamaol.com ]
Fwd: Fwd: keep passin it on..] [ Fernando Velez-Pardo <fvelezATnospamcititr ]
Re: Animals and suicide [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
Date: 21 Sep 98 15:26:17 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Fire
Message-Id: <OUT-36067018.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi
Laying down to sleep last night I began to get kind of hot inside. I
slept and dreampt. I was on holiday except that the place I was
staying in seemed to be just over the road from where I live, although
I had no knowledge about this. I had a lot of belongings with me. But
then there began a fire. It wasn't a normal fire it was very
different. It was like a wall of flame, kind of solid, pervading all
spaces but the surface of the wall didn't have a whole lot of
outstanding activity. Yet, the wall advanced.
Firstly it consumed the entirity of the place I was living. All my
belongings were totally destroyed. I had no choice but to keep moving
because the flames just kept advancing gradually closer, not
dangerously but kind of like lava. There was no questioning its
advance. So I ran, and I seemed to be running to within myself. There
were at first a number of pathways and something of a labarynth of
corners and turns. Still the wall of fire followed, but now it was
getting lower and began to turn into a sort of river very close to the
ground, more lava-like but still just pure flames. There was no actual
combustion as far as I could see, no smoke, and no heat. I had to keep
going on and I finally started to get the feeling that I kind of knew
that where I was going.
Turning a corner into a dead-end the flames had almost completely
subsided in little scatterings of hot puddles behind me, and their
advance had stopped. But now I seemed to be at the very core of
myself. On the ground was a stone slab into which was impressed a
design which featured mainly a very simple bold cross. Somehow I
believed that standing there would give me immunity. So I did, and I
seemed to become black as the night as if I were made of outer space,
just empty and nothing. A couple of people were strolling past nearby
and they looked in my direction but they did not see me, although I
was easily within line of sight. I felt that I was made of nothing.
The scene blipped away and the dream continued with me on the other
side of the road down the hill a bit. There was a car parked and
outside of it was a policeman who was interviewing the driver about
the fire. The woman was telling him about her loss and on passing by I
found it amazingly coincidental that it had happened to me also and
that I was there by chance alone without any dependency on meaning. I
stood and watched and listened and the cop man was not terribly
attractive, he had lots of spots and strange hair and was kind of
goofy. But to me this didn't matter and I felt that that was good
enough, that I was greatful for him looking even that good. I began to
tell him of how the fire had consumed me home and I felt a kind of
loving sadness in my eyes like crying without tears or self
absorbtion.
I then walked up the road a little to my home, and it was like coming
home after a long holiday. I didn't really recognise anything. And the
strange thing was that I arrived there with no baggage or luggage, and
even to me this seemed a bit strange. I kept thinking that surely I
must have /some/ stuff with me, but I didn't. I got inside and all I
had with me was this electronic keyboard thing, and even that I only
had because I'd won it out of chance as some prize in a game. I didn't
feel that I even really had that as something of my own.
It is about there that I woke. And you know something, I have been the
most ungreatful person alive.
--
Paul.
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 10:44:50 -0700
From: "RevDL.K.RM" <htminATnospamptdprolog.net>
To: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>,
"Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"Mystress Angelique Serpent" <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
<elkabr0nATnospamaol.com>
Subject: Re: Warm fuzzies please...
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Very well written Lobster!!!!Good Luck Mystress My letter is in the
Mail!Denise
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From: Lobster <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: Kundalini - L <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>; Mystress Angelique Serpent
<serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>; elkabr0nATnospamaol.com <elkabr0nATnospamaol.com>
Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 6:49 AM
Subject: Re: Warm fuzzies please...
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:43:01 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: aminals
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from Guy: every animal, including single-cell beings, have more
unconscious knowledge (ie: its own perfect reproduction), than human
consciousness can ever hold.
comment on the whole animal thing:
>it is my belief that the only real difference between humans and
animals =
>is quantitative.
>i see it as like a critical mass, wisdom builds up and evolves and hits
=
>a point where it is significantly closer to spirit than animal. but it
=
>depends a lot on beliefs. personaly, i believe that animals are on the
=
>same reincarnation road as us, they are just souls further behind.
>i think that we all started out there.
>Lucius
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:43:02 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: aminals
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from Guy: every animal, including single-cell beings, have more
unconscious knowledge (ie: its own perfect reproduction), than human
consciousness can ever hold.
comment on the whole animal thing:
>it is my belief that the only real difference between humans and
animals =
>is quantitative.
>i see it as like a critical mass, wisdom builds up and evolves and hits
=
>a point where it is significantly closer to spirit than animal. but it
=
>depends a lot on beliefs. personaly, i believe that animals are on the
=
>same reincarnation road as us, they are just souls further behind.
>i think that we all started out there.
>Lucius
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:42:58 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: aminals
Message-ID: <19980921144258.9306.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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from Guy: every animal, including single-cell beings, have more
unconscious knowledge (ie: its own perfect reproduction), than human
consciousness can ever hold.
comment on the whole animal thing:
>it is my belief that the only real difference between humans and
animals =
>is quantitative.
>i see it as like a critical mass, wisdom builds up and evolves and hits
=
>a point where it is significantly closer to spirit than animal. but it
=
>depends a lot on beliefs. personaly, i believe that animals are on the
=
>same reincarnation road as us, they are just souls further behind.
>i think that we all started out there.
>Lucius
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Date: 21 Sep 98 16:05:03 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: prana and kundalini and animals as teachers
Message-Id: <OUT-3606792F.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Mel,
>What is your take on Lemmings? Or whales that beach themselves?
These are situations which satisfy a certain avenue of the great
structure of the way you perceive the world. Why is a beached whale
more important than a cup of coffee? As a creature with a sense of
self importance I would rather someone come rescue me from the
stranded state but maybe nature doesn't give a dam about that.
And while I'm here, and not way intended at you personally, people
using monkeys and such-like to dress them up and pretend that they
talk to sell teabags and the like is bloody deluded and probably
accepted only because people see a lot of likeness between the
appearance of their form and the appearance of ours. I'm glad for
those parts of nature that are totally un-cooperative with humans and
so very different. At least they'll be left alone.
--
Paul.
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Date: 21 Sep 98 16:01:33 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: animal healing
Message-Id: <OUT-3606785D.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi Yahseyes,
As I haven't said anything on the idolisation of animals yet I thought
I'd reply...
> Hey List, just had a reminder from the last post of a conflict I am having.
> This is not a joke. Can I please get some views on whether it is ok to kill
> bugs? I sometimes have to spray hundreds of ants and termites etc, and these
> wasps and yellow jackets that come out this time of year are truly nuts. They
> go after you with a vengence and many times your life depends on their death.
> However, I truly believe in the sanctity of life at all levels.
Well, when certain animals go for others of their own species in which
one or both may be killed that is quite natural. It is difficult not
to swap a wasp, bat a fly or squish a spider when they're usually so
much smaller than a human. Only yesterday my father cursed at a fly
that was hovering around near his dinner, and I thought that maybe the
fly was having the laughs. It's only part of nature. All of the things
that we've created called civilisation has to exist in harmony with
nature. We only get bothered about keeping spiders and such out of the
house because we think they don't belong but they dam well go
wherether they like.
I personally have been brutal to some of the smaller less attractive
aspects of nature in the past, killing spiders, squatting flies.
Although, actually I quite like bees and wasps and have never been
stung. There isn't any need to get offensive or worried when they're
around. They can calmly be ushered out of a window or whatever. Of
particularly notice I pay more attention to really little flies that
sometimes flit around the place, the little millimeter-sized ones, as
it's not very fair of me to go lumbering my size around and squashing
them mercillesly just because they're so much smaller. I sometimes
think of them as God. Maybe that's bonkers. hehe. :)
I don't know that animals and such have souls. I think I would have to
be deluded if I were able to /experience/ some bit of information that
told me that such a thing exists, and I don't really need to know
wether it does. The truth can't be described really. Nobody's seen it,
I think. Or maybe somebody has. Obviously if I met up with a tiger in
the local forest (not likely), under most circumstances it's going to
be a pretty messy affair, survival of the fittest kind of thing. But I
think you are only worthy of that crown if you handle the situation in
a worthy way, like with just common sense and respect.
And I don't really know why people are so fantastically bothered with
the idolisation of animals as if you say that NONE of them can ever be
killed by a human. It is as if to say humans are not part of nature.
All the other parts go around killing each other. Not that that is any
justification but humans are part of nature too, it's not something
`other', so putting them on a pedestal where they can't be touched is
a bit stupid. I am sure mother nature has it all worked out so that
species aren't about to die out through simple clashes with others.
That kind of thing only happens when creatures like humans get
aggressive and arrogant and go looking for conflict. And all things
being equal there is not much point being the martyr by thinking that
you're much prettier in your spirituality just because you'd rather
let some other thing kill you than stick up for yourself. If you get
killed you're gunna die, god-dammit! Although, maybe in some way I use
death as a bad thing there.
Walking along a street if I happen to look down and see a butterfly
settled on the pavement I will do what I can to leave it be. But if I
don't see it it's likely i'll tread on it and it won't be an issue,
which is fine, and it the same issuelessness from which all new things
are created anyway so it's not a problem. Can't be helped sometimes.
If some darn pesky stinging bastard-fly comes at you in the garden
apparently hell-bent on not leaving without a fight then do what you
can to appreciate and respect it's life but a line is /naturally/
drawn as to what just isn't feasible and maybe that pesky thing
get's killed, without malice I would hope (as malice isn't pretty).
But anyway, all this is nonsense and removed from the sustainence of
the present.
--
Paul.
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:03:18 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: b bah <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com>
cc: YahseyesATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Animals and suicide
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After all this talk on animals and humans i was thinking if animals can
think. Do they have dreams ?
love,
anurag
On Sun, 20 Sep 1998, b bah wrote:
> hi,
> 'don't know if animals are able to conciously commit suicide. thinking
> back to true stories of animals: pineing away after master's death,
> sometimes at grave site, refusing to eat , etc. could this be their way
> of commiting suicide, as they don't have all the means at their disposal
> that humans do.?????
> barb
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:37:17 EDT
From: WEIVODAATnospamaol.com
To: anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in, Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Animals and suicide
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In a message dated 9/21/98 9:33:25 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in writes:
> After all this talk on animals and humans i was thinking if animals can
> think. Do they have dreams ?
Animals have dreams, not as details as the humans, but they dream. Also,
animals morn, as do humans just in a different way. Like humans, but less
complex, and detailed.
Kristin
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:38:01 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Animals/dreams
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>Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 09:34:00 -0700
>To: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in>
>From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
>Subject: Re: Animals and suicide
>In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980921150220.1574C-100000ATnospamBhaskara>
>References: <19980921021846.15017.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
>
>>After all this talk on animals and humans i was thinking if animals can
>>think. Do they have dreams ?
>>
>>love,
>>anurag
>>
>Anurag,
>
>Yes, animals do dream! One of my dogs is constantly dreaming - her legs
will move as if she is running and she has little woofs, and REM (rapid eye
movement) motion is noticed... She's so interesting to watch, and if you're
wondering if animals smile, yes they do... and my dog will smile at the
mere mention of a smile, when she comes home from the groomer, or when I
come home - she greets me with lots of smiles.
>
>Love, dor
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:47:01 -0400
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: "Anurag Goel" <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in>, "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: <YahseyesATnospamaol.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>,
<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Animals and suicide
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Hi Anurag,
>After all this talk on animals and humans i was thinking if animals can
>think. Do they have dreams ?
Of course! Have you ever watched a dog when it is sleeping? It eyes roll
around just like a humans showing that the brain is active. One dog I was
watching had his little paws moving in such a manner you could be sure that
he was having a dream about running perhaps in a meadow! he even had what
could be considered a smile on his face.
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 12:54:00 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
Cc: "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: A TIME for Every Season (Re: tapes) -- I.E. Every Dog Has His Day
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The way I remember this, it goes: "What is whispered in darkness
shall be shouted from the rooftops."
Dear Maureen,
The same (gasp! Horrors! B.I.B.L.I.C.A.L.) line has occurred to me
(with respect to Clinton's dilemma), though I did not realize it
pertained to the "end times". I thought it was a simple fact that
all truths come to light, and since we are all one, there really is
no such thing as privacy. Perhaps, all things are coming to light
faster than usual, since the planet is entering a higher vibrational
frequency. The speeding up of Cause and Effect forces us to be more
truthful, and more careful of the effects of our thoughts, speech and
actions. If a person is not ready for this, in terms of one's
spiritual evolution, he/she surely will not and cannot survive this
change. Case-in-point: Clinton did not (care to) understand the
pure definition of Truth, only the lesser definition of truthful
words; he did not care if those words misled, and did not recognize
them as a lie couched in truthful "legally accurate" words. The "end
times" might refer actually to the "end of time", which is an
illusion, as many of us are already awake to the fact that there is
only Now.
Cathy
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From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Monday, September 21, 1998 8:40 AM
Subject: tapes
>I'm off to watch the tapes. Clinton is now a verb.
>A little scary, a quote from the Master describing how we would know
the
>end times, , , ,
>
> "What you do in private shall be shouted from the rooftops"
>
>+ Maureen
>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 13:22:56 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "Lucius" <dartanATnospamvoyager.net>
Cc: "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: animal healing / animal consciousness
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My parakeet of five years, Daniel, died in my hands too. (This was
years ago) He was very sick, and he was tame enough that he would
come out of the cage and perch on my finger. But he did not like
being held, because he felt captive. I, too, was trying to keep him
warm, but I think I used up the last of his energy when I held him
because I made him frightened. It does make one feel sad, powerless,
and guilty.
Yesterday, I saw what looked like a large bug crawling toward me in
my basement. To my horror, it was a baby mouse. I trapped him under
the laundry basket, and sent my husband after him. My husband, who
is basically an archetypal, insensitive homo-phobic male, can't kill
baby mice, and neither can I. We release them to the sewer. But, we
have no guilt about putting a trap in the basement for their parents.
Go figure.
Also, we freely kill bees, because they swarm around our front porch,
and my husband is allergic to their stings, and they frighten my
little boy (ok me too, sometimes).
Perhaps the impact of killing a lesser life form depends on the
attitude of the killer. Is it doing duty, as in Arjuna going to
battle (see Bhaghavad Gita) or is it going after the fruits of one's
actions and creating karma, as in killing for pleasure.
Cathy
-----Original Message-----
From: Lucius <dartanATnospamvoyager.net>
on a sadder note i once TRIED a healing on a
>little lovebird. we had named her Milford. we only had her for about
3 days.
>but she was friendlier and more loving than many humans i know. we
knew
>something was wrong with her so we were driving to the people we
bought her
>from and i was holding her in my hands to keep her warm and also
tried to
>help heal her. not more than a minute or so to the drive i knew she
was
>dead. many people would not understand how this could be that big of
a deal,
>but a loving and helpless creature died in my hands, and i think
that is
>what drives me now to learn the art.
>
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:22:34 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: shout from rooftops
Message-ID: <3606612A.6F670003ATnospammhonline.net>
Hi Cathy,
Another interpetation is that by the end times some will have developed
the abilities to see the aura and read it. As a person thinketh in
his/her heart so it will show as also the evolution of the soul. Some
will have visible haloes,but that first interpetation about Mr C.has
been haunting me for a while now.
Blessings of more Light.
+ Maureen
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:18:01 EDT
From: PamENixonATnospamaol.com
To: paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Killing of animals--bad dharmic, karmic & spiritual consequences
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First, I believe all creatures are good and were created for a reason,
therefore deserving to live in peace and be treated with respect and kindness.
Research bears that there is a direct link between animal abuse and human
abuse--there is a connection between how we treat other species and how we
treat other humans.
Also, compassion and empathy are our only weapons against violence. When we
show compassion toward all life we can extend that same compassion and empathy
towards our fellow humans.
I teach Kundalini Yoga and as a teacher, I took an oath to be a vegetarian.
Reasons to be a vegetarian and not kill agricultural animals or other species:
1. The dharmic/scriptural law reason: Ahimsa, the law of non injury, is the
Hindu's first duty in fulfillment of his religious obligations to God and
God's creation as defined by Vedic scripture.
2. The karmic consequences reason: All of our actions including our choice
of food have karmic consequences. By involving oneself in the cycle of
inflicting injury, pain and death, even indirectly by eating other creatures,
one must in the future experience in equal measure the suffering caused.
3. The spiritual consciousness reason: Food is the source of the body's
chemistry, and what we ingest affects our consciousness, emotions and
experiential patterns. If one want to live in higher consciousness, in peace
and happiness and love for all creatures, then he cannot eat meat, fish,
shellfish, fowl or eggs. By ingesting the grosser chemistries of animal
foods, one introduces into the body and mind anger, jealousy, fear, anxiety,
suspicion and a terrible fear of death, all of which are locked into the flesh
of butchered creatures. For these reasons, shakaharis live in higher
consciousness and mansaharis abide in lower consciousness.
4. The ecological reason: Planet earth is suffering. In large measure, the
escalating loss of species, destruction of ancient forests to create pasture
lands for livestock, loss of topsoils and the consequent increase of water
impurities and air pollution have all been traced to the single fact of meat
in the human diet. No single decision that we can make as individuals or as a
race can have such a dramatic effect on the improvement of our planetary
ecology as the decision to not eat meat.
5. The health reason: Medical studies prove that a vegetarian diet is easier
to digest, provides a wider range of nutrients and imposes fewer burdens and
impurities on the body. Vegetarians are less susceptible to all the major
diseases that afflict comtemporary humanity, and thus live longer, healthier,
more productive lives. Their immune system is stronger, their bodies are
purer, more refined and skin more beautiful.
These reasons are very important for those on a spiritual path.
Blessings,
Nirmal Kaur
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 15:24:26 -0400
From: Fernando Velez-Pardo <fvelezATnospamcititran.com>
To: KAREN_TORRECILLAATnospamHP-LatinAmerica-om3.om.hp.com
Subject: Fwd: Fwd: keep passin it on..]
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> Many people will walk in and out of your life,
> but only true friends will leave footprints in your heart.
>
> The easiest way not to get hurt is not to care,
> but that is the hardest thing to do.
>
> To handle yourself, use your head;
> To handle others, use your heart.
>
> Anger is only one letter short of danger.
> If someone betrays you once, it's his fault;
> if he betrays you twice, it's your fault.
>
> Great minds discuss ideas;
> Average minds discuss events;
> Small minds discuss people.
>
> God gives every bird it's food,
> But he does not throw it into it's nest.
>
> He who loses money, loses much;
> He who loses a friend, loses more;
> He who loses faith, loses all.
>
> Beautiful young people are accidents of nature,
> But beautiful old people are works of art.
> Learn from the mistakes of others.
> You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
>
> The tongue weighs practically nothing,
> But so few people can hold it.
>
> Friends, you and me....
> you brought another friend...
> and then there were 3...
> we started our group...
> Our circle of friends...
> and like that circle...
> there is no beginning or end..
>
>
> Keep this going....
> Email all your friends this message....
> Email all those friends you never met....
> Those you have...
> and those you've lost along the way ...
>
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 21:32:32 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Animals and suicide
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>What is your take on Lemmings? Or whales that beach themselves?
>Just a thought...
>I think it is a huge mistake that humans make thinking we are superior
>in any way...we are all connected to each other...all are one.
>Blessed be...
>Bodacia
Well, I don't know if wondering if we are the only ones who commit
suicide in any ways implies that we are superior. Seems to me that it
implies that we are simply more messed up than the animal kingdom!
Although I do feel that animals sometimes have their own version of
suicide. They just don't use guns or poison to do it.
-E
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