1998/09/21 07:29
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #670
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 670
Today's Topics: Neglected Animals [ David Bozzi ]
Animals and suicide [ "b bah" ] Re: Between science and art ...magic [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Re: PREMIUM TV.........No Monthly Bi [ goatoere97ATnospamian.ge.cnr.it ( Kraftwor ] Re: Re: Re: prana and kundalini and [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Re: animal healing [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ] Re: Animals and suicide [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Re: moods and faces [ "Kat" ] aminals [ "Lucius" ]
Prana,K,K-9s etc. [ Maureen Heffernan ] Learn Yoga from a Master [ bharat_naikATnospamyahoo.com ]
Re: Re: prana and kundalini and anim [ "guy johnson" To: Kundalini
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Neglected Animals
I have this dream. About animals.
I've once had. For pets.
That I've forgotten to feed. Or care for.
For I have forgotten about them. Completely.
In these dreams.
I find them. Sometimes perhaps,
Even years later... Neglected... Starving...
Dying...
I become overwhelmed. With despair.
And want to reach out to them. I am compelled.
To save them. To feed them.
And care for them.
I want to make up. For all the years.
I've neglected them. As quickly as possible...
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:18:46 PDT From: "b bah"
To: YahseyesATnospamaol.com Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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hi, 'don't know if animals are able to conciously commit suicide. thinking
back to true stories of animals: pineing away after master's death, sometimes at grave site, refusing to eat , etc. could this be their way
of commiting suicide, as they don't have all the means at their disposal that humans do.?????
barb
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To: carreaATnospamvideotron.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Between science and art ...magic
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 00:54:18 EDT From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: bodacia31ATnospamhotmail.com, tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Re: Re: prana and kundalini and animals as teachers
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Hi, I also believe we are connected to everything. I am trying to find the differentating characteristic of Man Vis a vis the animal. It seems self
conciousness and its negative side, the understanding of how to kill the animal body holding the spirit which we call ourself - eg. Suicide, seems to
hold up. I have a marine biology friend with a masters in ocean stuff and she told me the common thought re: beaching whales is a disorientation of their
internal navigation system which works in tune with the earth's solar magnetic pole. It's a predictable defect and not suicide according to her. On the
lemming, I have a number of schooled Naturalist friends I asked this of and the answer they gave was that the Lemming is just very stupid. They do know
how to get from point A to B if there is something in between, like a lake, river, iceburg, ocean and after the first Lemming dives into the danger, the
rest simply follow the one in front.
Love Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:00:14 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com To: dartanATnospamvoyager.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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Hey List, just had a reminder from the last post of a conflict I am having.
This is not a joke. Can I please get some views on whether it is ok to kill bugs? I sometimes have to spray hundreds of ants and termites etc, and these
wasps and yellow jackets that come out this time of year are truly nuts. They go after you with a vengence and many times your life depends on their death.
However, I truly believe in the sanctity of life at all levels.
Love Lou Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:06:14 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com To: happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Animals and suicide
Message-ID:
You wrote: hi, 'don't know if animals are able to conciously commit suicide. thinking
back to true stories of animals: pineing away after master's death, sometimes at grave site, refusing to eat , etc. could this be their way
of commiting suicide, as they don't have all the means at their disposal that humans do.?????
barb
My feeling is the issue revolves around the concept of self conciousness. If you are aware of your self and you willing do something to end your life, it
is different if an animal ends its life but without a conciousness of what it is ending. I would think they die from depression which does kill and has been
proven in animals, dogs, whales, seals, cats, horses. But no Lemmings
Love Lou Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 01:00:58 -0400
From: "Kat" To: "Sharon Webb" ,
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Hi Sharon,
>Gee! I wish you hadn't ripped your elf up. :-( I would have loved to see >it. Do you still paint?
Yes I still paint and yes I also wish I had not ripped it up! I ripped up a
lot of art work when I lived in Ca. Frustration can make a person do strange things.
> >When my k explosion came, I was seized with a mania to do pictures---one
>that I haven't had since I was a child.
I was back on your site again today. really enjoy it! I have also sent your ULR to another list that I am on and to many of my friends. They are
pleased that I sent them there and have enjoyed your work as much as I have. Tell me more about the one that you connect with your childhood. When I
saw your paintings I could see the kundalini influenece!
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 05:03:14 -0400
From: "Lucius" To: "kundalini people"
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just a quick comment on the whole aimal
thing. it is my belief that the only real difference
between humans and animals is quantitative. i see it as like a critical mass, wisdom builds
up and evolves and hits a point where it is significantly closer to spirit than animal. but it depends a lot on beliefs. personaly, i believe that animals are
on the same reincarnation road as us, they are just souls further behind.
i think that we all started out there.
Lucius Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 06:43:36 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan To: Kundalini
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> beaching whales is a disorientation of their
> internal navigation system which works in tune with the earth's solar magnetic > pole. It's a predictable defect and not suicide according to her."
> after the first Lemming dives into the danger, the > rest simply follow the one in front.
This may very well be. Yet I have witnessed and worked with vets who can not even with tube feedings force an emotionally distraught and
depressed dog to survive its partners or masters death. + Maureen
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 03:29:46 -0700 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Warm fuzzies please...
Message-Id:
Hello:
Members who have been on this list for a while know the story of my difficulties with UNS immigration.. for new members, the story in brief..
nearly two years ago, I attempted to go visit some on-line friends in the US.. and was stopped by customs, who searched my baggage, and decided that
I was an illegal alien, a prostitute, a purveyor of unknown vices, and an unskilled laborer. How I could be all those things and still be considered
"unskilled", is the funny part. Basically, I think they looked at the pentacles and whips and crystals and decided I am a baby eating satanist,
or something.. however, that is a cynical opinion that I think I'll give up to Goddess, not a fact. Well, anyways..
After 7 attempts to cross the border with ever increasing documentation of my intentions to return home to my beloved Vancouver after my vision
quest, I lost my temper and asked for a judicial hearing. After that, I discovered the reason for Goddess keeping me home.. a
beloved slave and dear friend died that day. That was nearly two years ago, grief has passed, the friend is a friendly
ghost who still drops by once in a while.. my problems with the border guards rejection has brought me many abundant lessons of growth and wisdom,
and some amazing experiences. One of those experiences was last Feb.. preparing for my hearing, I asked
the list to send statements to my lawyer explaining that the work I do on-line with the lists is free, and important enough to warrant my wanting
to take a laptop computer with me, across the border. I foolishly used my website to demonstrate that I was employed, and they took it to mean that
my business was too portable for international borders.. along with the misinterpretation of is as vice and prostitution.. sigh.
So why am I telling you all this? It is because my hearing in Feb was postponed to October 8.. the date to submit pre-trail evidence of my
wonderfulness and upstanding nature is this Friday.. and my lawyer says, "more is better"..
For myself.. the outpouring of love and approval, devotion and acceptance I received from those present, and those who have moved on to other cyber
spaces last Feb, was ecstatic and devastating. Indescribable. Blasted thru shields and barriers I did not know I had, opened chakras not on the map,
gave me tears and joy and fits all at once. It blew my mind well beyond my wildest expectations. I thought I would
get a few nice letters in response to my request.. instead I got mass love-bombed into the next dimension. you see, I am still so amazed by it,
awed, that it is an it, instead of a Thou.. you, my cyber community of abundant hearts, so beautiful you make me weep with joy.
My cup runneth over, but my lawyer sez, "more is better", so here I am asking again, tho it makes me blush..
If this list that I manage, or any of my writings have served you in some way, and if you don't mind if a judge and lawyers knowing it, then please
send an email saying so to my lawyer.. if you are willing to include your real name and address, to show you are a real person, so much the better.
I am also collecting notarized statements.. :) But they need to get to my lawyer in Seattle before Friday. You can use my net-name.. it is known to
them, and widely enough advertised to be a "common use" legal alias. It is the name I mostly go by in real-life. It is Angelique the Domina that needs
her rep polished with UNS, after all.. so it goes.. Please send these posts direct to me and my lawyer.. I don't want to take
up the list bandwidth with them. He is Manuel Rios III,
The mailing address is Salazar Law Offices.
810 Third Ave, Suite 408. Seattle, Washington,
98104.
Vast Gratitude, Mystress.
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:07:17 +0000 From: Maureen Heffernan
To: Kundalini Subject: P,K,K9
Message-ID:
To put this on a lighter note, How bout the idea of humour? Is the capacity for humour the standard of
development? Might humour be the "in" for the agents,angels,elohim or creative forces that are in charge of evolutionand with that "in" then
the development of the mental/creative? More Light and Laughter.
+ Maureen Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:38:41 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com To: morlightATnospammhonline.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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ah yes, humor. Dogs smile but does a roach? Only kidding, wanted to post this
reply I made earlier so all would see. I is the only concept that gives me some solice on this matter. Thanks all
you ever been ridiculed because you wouldn't kill a bug?
later,
Lucis
Yes, definitely. For some reason even asking this question is akin to
admitting one is a dorff. I seems like bugs are the universal exception to "thou shalt not kill".
One thought I had is that bugs, in the order of life assuming the more one
thinks the more above the others one is, is that a bug is really a plant with legs and as such does not feel pain as we know it and whose soul readily moves
to a new host as easily as we find waking up daily. This would help resolve my feelings but sounds so much like a convenient excuse to not worry about it.
What if it IS murder? Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 08:33:15 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan To: Kundalini
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I'm off to watch the tapes. Clinton is now a verb.
A little scary, a quote from the Master describing how we would know the end times, , , ,
"What you do in private shall be shouted from the rooftops"
+ Maureen
Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 14:46:46 +0100 From: "Lobster"
To: "Kundalini - L" , "Mystress Angelique Serpent" ,
Subject: Re: Warm fuzzies please...
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With Ref: to Mystress Angelique Serpent entering the USA
Dear Friends, Lawyers and Judges,
It has been brought to my attention that the individual life form known as Mystress Angelique Serpent (Goddess - according to her own
estimation) is attempting to visit the USA. In my country of the UK our judiciary enjoy the benefits of dressing
in wigs, outdated costumery and using an alien terminology. However their movements are not restricted, they are indeed treated with
respect.
The main charges against the afore mentioned Divine seem to involve:
1. illegal alien Angelique may be a Goddess with an immortal spirit but has never
claimed to being an alien (though she has on occasion claimed contact with such beings). Being an alien is not a crime but
dependent on location. As a guest of the USA, she would lose the illegality. In a similar way a Judge would be trespassing and might
be shot on a military base unless invited. Therefore by legally sanctioning her visit, the nature of her status would change.
2. a prostitute As you know if the body of lawyers are not in court, they are not
paid. Nobody is suggesting they prostitute themselves. In fact most would agree they provide a service. I am sure Angelique would be
happy to sign a statement saying she will do nothing to break the laws of the USA. President Clinton is safe.
3. a purveyor of unknown vices Angelique I am sure will be able to provide a list of her activities
if required. It is indeed fortunate that no such requirement exists for the judiciary. However being a purveyor of 'known vices' would
probably still be unsuitable for the highly moral USA and its legislature. So the difficulty here is that of finance. Would
Angelique be purveying in America? No because such behaviour is illegal.
4. an unskilled labourer As far as I am aware Angelique is a skilled hairdresser. However I
do not believe she will be entering the USA in order to illegally coiffure.
Though it is true that Angelique is an unusual personl with individualistic views and lifestyle, she is no danger to American
citizenry, animals or fauna. In the time I have known her on line she has treated people with respect and kindness. She has never
attempted to use her magical arts to gain entry to the USA. If she were to do so, it is the judiciary who have power where she does
not. Personally my belief is they should use the wisdom that comes from a tradition going back to Solomon.
Be Well Lobster
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To: Subject: Learn Yoga from a Master
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Date: Mon, 21 Sep 1998 07:14:19 PDT From: "guy johnson"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: Re: prana and kundalini and animals as teachers
Message-ID:
>What is your take on Lemmings? Or whales that beach themselves?
Dear Mel: thoughts occur, like maybe the lemmings know it is in their
highest good, to allow their numbers to do the right thing and allow their cycle of procreation to complete itself (innately, like all have
the inner knowledge and drive to procreate). As for the whales, I don't know what it's worth, but I picked up that
they might be trying to draw attention to their own pain, whether it be from the loss of a mate or destruction of their environment. I'll try a
communication if you really want an answer. much love and great light to you, katrina
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From: "Joseph Miller" To: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Greetings in kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #664
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Louis wrote:
>Found someone in my area but she charges $150 per learning session.
> >Hope someone can comment on experience, if $150 is a bit silly, and
>if there is life for me finding others in NYC.
Louis,
I have no idea of what a good teacher should charge in NYC. Of course I never met a teacher willing to live in NYC either. Also, I am only used
to giving an offering to a teacher and my monthly gifts were never that much.
I do know of an outstanding diagnosis/intervention service run by a
Kundalini Master and a psychologist. This service deals with Kundalini issues and problem risings. Their prices are a few hundred dollars for
diagnosing the problems and suggesting actions to overcome the problems and raise Kundalini. Follow up and ongoing help is $200 per month and
they offer retreats for about $150 per day, including room and board, for intensive training. This service is not in NYC, though several
people there are using it, relying on the phone and mails (e & paper) for communication for the ongoing help.
That'll give some idea of what is available at what price from a really
outstanding service. You should judge the quality of the teacher you are considering and his/her teachings for yourself. Unfortuantely you'll
have to go for several lessons before you'll have the basis to make a judgement.
The fact is, I don't like the entire fee for learning process. I realize
that to spend time teaching is time one couldn't work and all of us have responsibilities in this world, but there is a bad taste to charging for
God's work. Since none of them asked me I guess they really don't want my opinion. Fair enough I didn't charge for it.
Namaste,
Joe
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