1998/09/20 19:05
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #669
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 669
Today's Topics:
Re: creative block??? [ Marybeth Gottshall <kmgATnospamtaconic.net ]
Re:beware spooky dream kudalini risi [ eggers <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu> ]
Re: creative block??? [ Jill <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu> ]
Re: creative block??? [ "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
Re: creative block??? [ Marybeth Gottshall <kmgATnospamtaconic.net ]
Re: Re:beware spooky dream kudalini [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Between science and art ...magic [ Antoine Carre <carreaATnospamvideotron.ca> ]
Re: Re: prana and kundalini and anim [ "Mel August" <bodacia31ATnospamhotmail.com ]
Verse III [ nannuATnospamcombase.com ]
animal healing [ "Lucius" <dartanATnospamvoyager.net> ]
Re: Re: prana and kundalini and anim [ "Lucius" <dartanATnospamvoyager.net> ]
Experiences [ GISLENNEATnospamaol.com ]
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 98 11:26:26 -0400
From: Marybeth Gottshall <kmgATnospamtaconic.net>
To: "a s" <beisamATnospamjuno.com>
cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: creative block???
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Hi, freda-
You said:
>
>Hello Sharon and Kat,
>Hope ya don't mind a new voice here in your conversation about your art.
So here is yet another voice heard from (mine). I figure that's why we're
posting these things to a list, and not emailing each other privately,
right?
>When I was in my early twenties, my ex decided he was gonna sell some of
>my work... not the portaits, but other work I did. I told him no, he sold
>them anyway and when I got angry he refused to let me draw or paint ever
>again....
First, let me tell you how happy I am for you that you are no longer in
this relationship.
>However, about 5 years after the divorce I was encouraged to doodle or
>scribble as part of my therapy and a whole new style came about...
>hundreds of pictures came from a few years of *compulsive* drawing and
>painting... very theraputic.. I did this from about 1991 until about 8
>months ago when in the middle of doing a painting I just stopped. Unable
>to get back to it.
>Again and again this is happening now. I am driven to start, get maybe
>half the way done and cant finish.
>the portaits I dont feel sad about, it comes as no surprise to me because
>as the years go by I see faces less and less, I feel people more than see
>them which is okay with me.
>but I miss my paints, and my pencils and the peace that drawing and
>painting brought to my life.
>I am not an *artist* so I am not sure if this is typical of those who
>are.
>I dont think it is like writters block because the desire is there, the
>ideas are there, the pictures are in my head, everything feels normal
>until I try to do it, then I get feeling icky and cannot continue.
>this is disturbing to me as I have used it as my meditation - I could
>grab a pencil and paper and let my mind just go off on its own. Its like
>I cant finish a thought, in fact I cant get into that pleasing relaxed
>state at all any more.
>I put the suppies out of sight for a while, only to drag them out again
>when I felt compelled to draw again, but nothing happened.
>Any suggestions?
I am an artist, too and this happens to me all the time. My approach to
this has, over the years, changed from one of panic and desperation about
my creative block, to an attitude of acceptance, that this is all a part
of the creative process, and not to worry ("Don't worry, be happy now"-
Bobby Mc Farren).
I have a studio brimming with half finished paintings. One problem is
that we attach so much importance to making "finished objects." Then our
focus is on making a thing, more stuff to add to a world already filled
with stuff. But if you focus on the fact that what you are actually doing
is not making a thing but expressing yourself, it's not so important.
Sometimes, we just need to make the object less precious. You are engaged
in a process of self-discovery, and right now you are discovering that
you have some blocks. Sometimes, I have had blocks that lasted two years.
No big deal, although at first it seemed as if it was. I had other stuff
to discover.
I have also realized that, as long as a painting is not finished, it does
not need to be perfect. If I'm afraid that its not going to look really
incredibly great, then I'll avoid fininshing it. I now like to think of
these unfinished paintings as studies or experiments.
As long as you are not supporting yourself as a painter, you should not
need to apply any pressure to yourself to produce "finished pieces".
Sometimes, we have these fantasies of maybe becoming very prolific
artists or of becoming successful and someday selling our paintings, or
maybe we even have an exhibit coming up, and so we apply a lot of
internal pressure to produce a lot of art. This is all okay, if you want
to add ambition and an art career into the equation, but if you are doing
this simply as a means of self-expression and self-discovery, and because
you love to paint, there is no reason to apply this pressure to yourself.
I don't know if you have a studio where you can work, but it is important
to have a place that is set aside just for painting and drawing, where
your art supplies are always readily available when you need or want
them. Putting them away and getting them out, for me, would be making too
much of a statement like "Now, I can't paint" or "Now, I should be
painting."
There is also the problem that sometimes we "see" what we want to create,
but when we begin to paint or draw, it all goes blank, or we just can't
do it. Not to worry about that, either. Try just letting go of all
preconceived notions of what your painting should look like, and just let
a painting or drawing or whatever "happen". Sometimes, I have tried
painting with my left hand (I'm right handed) just to see what happens.
I've noticed that the pictures are very child-like (they have to be, the
focus becomes more like "can I get some blue to this area on the paper?"
rather than going for, say the delicate veins on a leaf.) A different
part of my brain goes to work, and I start just doing spontaneous paint
application, which is fun and very liberating in a way, but sure isn't
great art. No big deal, though. It's part of a process of self-discovery.
Learning to give up the need to be in control is very important, just as
it is with all aspects of our spiritual life. Try just showing up at the
canvas with no apparent agenda, and see if anything happens. Maybe ninety
nine times out of a hundred, nothing will. Kinda like prayer. Ninety nine
times out of a hundred, you don't hear God answer back.
So, I guess the main point of what I have been trying to say, is just
take some pressure off of yourself, don't make it so important to produce
finished works, try to lower your expectations of what you think you
should accomplish and just enjoy the journey, even when it's rough,
perhaps even because it's rough. I hope this helps.
Love, Marybeth
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 98 09:58:33 CDT
From: eggers <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re:beware spooky dream kudalini rising
Message-Id: <199809201541.KAA20950ATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Caroline,
The onset of kundalini for me included a lot of the same symptoms you got.
I promised myself not to tell my dreams online but my big kundalini onset
dream was so beautiful and haunting that your note makes me want to tell it.
It occured a few months before the k awakening:
I am in upper Michigan, near a town called Paradise, on Lake Superior. A wise
old man comes to take me to the top of the world. We climb a four-sided
white tower. We come out to a place that is wild, gorgeous and primitive: a
place on the lake where strong individuals, mostly silent but kind humans,
are living independently in the beautiful wilderness. They are mostlyartists,
alone, but all connected somehow. The old man leads me through the wilds.
I see sixteen different kinds of snakes. Each is beautiful, colored in
exotic ways, but each one is poisonous. I am surprised there are so many
poisonous snakes. I realize it will be very difficult to live here, but
I am prepared to do it.
That was my dream. Then all the k activity started a few months later and
I knew this dream was the precursor to that. The place in Michigan where
the dream took place has always been a powerful place for me, and has often
symbolized transcendence in my dream life.
I am glad the deep confilcts of your recent past are clearing up. I think
a lot of people on this list have had the experience of processing a lot
of difficult, traumatic stuff very quickly in the years immediately following
the awakening. I did. As hellish as that is, it seems well worth it when
one starts to get to theplace of integration, wholeness, and pervasive clarity
that the k eventually brings.
Peace,
Jill
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 98 11:27:20 CDT
From: Jill <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: creative block???
Message-Id: <199809201628.LAA22183ATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Dear Freda,
I read what Marybeth said and it sounds very good. I want to add one
suggestion to it: when you "show up" to work in the studio space, try having
a single rule: that of spending a set amount of scheduled time there, no
matter what happens. Decide on a schedule and an amount of time that feels
very comfortable and realistic to you in advance: it might be 15 minutes a day,
or 15 minutes 3 days a week, whatever seems right. Then, when you go to this
activity, be insistent that you will stay there for that time period, even if
nothing seems to be coming of it. Eventually, you will come to terms with
all the barriers within and without, when your conflicts realize you mean
business and are not going away. Also, I recommend the book, The Artist's
Way. (Does anyone know who wrote this book? I have seen someone on the
list mention it before.) I teach painting and drawing and direct the studio
arts program at my university, and my students and I have used this method of
time commitment to work through blocks to some success. The Artist's Way is
also an excellent way to address the way conflicts of your past have been
hindering your creative growth.
I wish you the best in this process of growth!
Jill
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 13:32:04 -0400
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, "a s" <beisamATnospamjuno.com>
Subject: Re: creative block???
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Hi Freda,
I would like to thank you with all of my heart and all of my love! thanks
to your message I have been able to continue to remove some blocks I had put
around myself in the arts! I am extremely grateful to you!!!! May you be
blessed for what you have done for me! I hope my replies in this message
will help you as well.
>Hope ya don't mind a new voice here in your conversation about your art.
Not at all!!! Step right on in. This is what this list is all about. The
sharing of ideas and thoughts. Love new voices!
>I have been wondering what is going on with mine.
>When I was a child my grandmother taught me to do portraits of people in
>charcoal, I was never as good as she but I did well enough that if you
>knew the person, you would recognize them.
First let me tell you something I was told by a teacher of the arts. He
told me to never ever compare my art work with other artists. Each one of
us have a unique and wonderful gift to share. You can bet if you were in a
classroom long enough you would hear someone whispering.......I wish I could
draw just like her! she does it so much better! Through my own personal
experience I have noticed that some of the best artists in this world will
never have their work shown or seen because they do not believe in thier own
abilities. Admire other work but be at peace with your own.
>When I was in my early twenties, my ex decided he was gonna sell some of
>my work... not the portaits, but other work I did. I told him no, he sold
>them anyway and when I got angry he refused to let me draw or paint ever
>again....
What a jerk! I am glad you are no longer surrounded by a man like him! My
ex had no belief in my abiliities and would undermine my work and want me to
take a lot less then it was worth. he told me he was dealing with reality
and that I wasn't. As much as I wanted to sale some of my work I did not
want to sell it for less then what it was worth. I wanted the money for
just one purpose......to buy more paints of course! <grin> He did have
his moments though he made me a couple of really nice frames for my art
work. But then that is how he works......he does something nice for you
in order to control you later for something he wants.
>I have tried with little success to do portaits again, in fact people are
>very near impossible for me.
Forget the people for now. Do what ever is making you happy right now. The
time is not right for you right now. You seem to know what has caused your
block.......now it is just a matter of time and the block will dissolve. as
if I am one to speak!!! this message is very healing for me! and I thank
you for that.
>However, about 5 years after the divorce I was encouraged to doodle or
>scribble as part of my therapy and a whole new style came about...
>hundreds of pictures came from a few years of *compulsive* drawing and
>painting... very theraputic.. I did this from about 1991 until about 8
>months ago when in the middle of doing a painting I just stopped. Unable
>to get back to it.
You know what?? we are in the same boat in many ways! I went through a
compulsive painting phrase just before I moved down to CA. I painted over
10 paintings in one month......then nothing! Always wondered if I over did
it! Then my life really went upside down and I moved here. I figure in my
case to much was going on in my life for me to paint. I am not a artist
that needs to suffer to paint.....I need to be happy to paint!
>Again and again this is happening now. I am driven to start, get maybe
>half the way done and cant finish.
>the portaits I dont feel sad about, it comes as no surprise to me because
>as the years go by I see faces less and less, I feel people more than see
>them which is okay with me.
Sounds to me as if new and inspiring ways of art is flowing into you and
perhaps this is why you have not painted in awhile as well. It takes a
while for the new stuff to come in and the old stuff to leave. This is what
I became aware of just recently. My style has changed quite a bit.
>but I miss my paints, and my pencils and the peace that drawing and
>painting brought to my life.
>I am not an *artist* so I am not sure if this is typical of those who
>are.
Do you have any idea how often I hear this from someone that is an artist?
You are very typical of those that are! <grin> I would go as far as to bet
that you are one of the great ones! Just need a big boost!
>I dont think it is like writters block because the desire is there, the
>ideas are there, the pictures are in my head, everything feels normal
>until I try to do it, then I get feeling icky and cannot continue.
Been there done that! I think with me it is having to drag out all of my
paints and brushs and doing the set up......then having to take it all down
again when someone needs the table.....then setting up
again.............then.......ya know the story! While typing this I am
reminded once again of something I was told. An artist should sit down
every day in a time that is good for them and do what ever comes to mind
that day. Many people believe that art comes from mainly feelings. This is
partly true but art is like any other thing that we do. We have to
disipline ourselfs into a routine that helps to develop a feel for what we
are doing......a certain light.....a certain room....maybe some music?
Practice practice practice.........yes Robert I hear you ! Sorry I forgot!
What a naughty boy talking to me in the middle of this message! (he was one
of my art teachers...yes still alive but he can get into my mind. Been
actively speaking to me lately. So has my artistic Guides.)
>this is disturbing to me as I have used it as my meditation - I could
>grab a pencil and paper and let my mind just go off on its own. Its like
>I cant finish a thought, in fact I cant get into that pleasing relaxed
>state at all any more.
I can see by reading this message that you , like myself, are putting far to
much pressure on yourself! Relax it will come when it is ready to come. It
will come to you when you are not pushing for it to happen.
>I put the suppies out of sight for a while, only to drag them out again
>when I felt compelled to draw again, but nothing happened.
>Any suggestions?
Yup! Go into an art store. buy an art book with new idea's in it. Read
and allow that thoughts to flow through you. Go to an Art Gallery look at
paintings. Get together with a couple of artist's and have a chat about
art. Now go back into the art store with some money.........Go ahead buy
it! Ya know ya want to! now go home and let it rip!!!!!!.......oh and what
ever you do.......don't think! Just do it!
I wish I had not left my art binder back in CA! I had some great ideas
written up in there that are helpful for starting to paint when one gets
away from it.
thanks for your message! I feel like painting all of a sudden! See what a
little art talk can do to you?
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 98 14:25:34 -0400
From: Marybeth Gottshall <kmgATnospamtaconic.net>
To: "Jill" <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu>, <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: creative block???
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Hi, Jill-
Thanks for the additional suggestions. I love this list. I feel like
painting now, myself--think I will. The book, "The Artist's Way" was
written by Julia Cameron, published by Tarcher/Putnam and the ISBN is
0-87477-694-5.
Love, Marybeth
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:10:34 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: myspecial1ATnospamyahoo.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re:beware spooky dream kudalini rising
Message-ID: <97adc9d0.3605532aATnospamaol.com>
Hi Caroline and list.
Your awakening was very touching and I am glad to see you are listening to the
voice within and that you were able to stop fighting it. I kind of think it
is the "fighting" of the K when it tries to come out that makes so many of us
scared and feeling so vunerable to the entity called "pain".
I was wondering if any on the list could help me on something re: this.
Sometimes, I meditate and try to bring the K energy the opposite way than
where others describe it. It seems to be very strong (and loud - its great if
I listen to Enya) in my head and forehead and with concious effort I can move
it down through the others to the root. This takes time and concentration.
When I finally do reach the root, it seems the energy was much stronger on
every other charkra, including spleen, than the root which is surprising to
me. This does not happen every time but enough to make me think I may not be
concentrating on the correct area for the root. More should happen, y'know
fireworks and stuff which I get most in forehead and spleen, <- esp. My
question is one of location. My teaching taught me that the root is mapped to
its physical counterpart being on the bottom of the body between the penis and
anus. If you're a guy, its just under the prostate gland. Is this the spot
everyone else agrees it is on? Is it different for women than men? Thanks
and Love, Lou
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 17:21:21 -0400
From: Antoine Carre <carreaATnospamvideotron.ca>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Between science and art ...magic
Message-id: <01bde4dc$9deaf100$e48560cfATnospamantoine>
>Learning to give up the need to be in control is very important, just as it
is with all aspects of our spiritual life.
Said Marybeth so nicelly talking about art.
----
A quote, i feel like posting, i read from a fun text at:
http://deoxy.org/annex/8yoga0.htm
"'The present tendency of physics is towards describing the universe in
terms of mathematical relations between unimaginable entities.' "
Snip
"Now, look you, I ask you to reflect upon the trouble we have taken to
calculate the distance of the fixed stars, and hear Professor G. N. Lewis,
who 'suggests that two atoms connected by a light ray may be regarded as in
actual physical contact. The interval between two ends of a light-ray is, on
the theory of relativity, zero, and Professor Lewis suggests that this fact
should be taken seriously. On this theory, light is not propagated at
all. This idea is in conformity with the principle that none but observable
factors should be used in constructing a scientific theory, for we can
certainly never observe the passage of light in empty space. We are only
aware of light when it encouters matter. Light which never encounters matter
is purely hypothetical. On Professor Lewis's theory, when we observe a
distant star, our eye as truly makes physical contact with that star as our
finger makes contact with a table when we press it.'"
Pure Light I'm all yours in ecstasy.
Antoine
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 15:39:35 PDT
From: "Mel August" <bodacia31ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, YahseyesATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Re: prana and kundalini and animals as teachers
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>
>Hi Katrina, I am new to this list so I am sorry if my previous post
reached
>you or just the people who I replied to before so please consider this:
The
>only distinction of the human vs the animal is our ability to commit
concious
>suicide. I have looked into this for a year of so and it seems to be
holding
>up but as usual, I am not positive.
>
What is your take on Lemmings? Or whales that beach themselves?
Just a thought...
I think it is a huge mistake that humans make thinking we are superior
in any way...we are all connected to each other...all are one.
Blessed be...
Bodacia
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Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 18:41:06 -0500
From: nannuATnospamcombase.com
To: "Kundalini-l" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Verse III
Message-ID: <B22AFCC2.4BD10DATnospam[209.54.227.43]>
THE WAY TO SELF-KNOWLEDGE (V III)
The greatest harm to humankind,
In our day, has been done by those,
In hot haste who the Lord denied,
And the path of rebellion chose.
The vain philosophers who tried
With logic to disprove the Lord,
Their own integrity denied,
And others did of faith defraud.
Existence, non-existence rest
On mind and not on matter dead,
As, save mind, no one can attest
How was creation bom and bred.
Our mind alone confirms the fact
That we live in this universe,
And none with sober thought or act
This sound conclusion can reverse.
Hence mind and this creation are
Inseparable to the last
This holds true for the near and far,
For future, present and the past.
This means existence e'er depends
On mind to know that it exists.
If there is no mind, it too ends
Lost in unpictureable mists.
The very thought of being comes
>From mind, and from no other source.
They too are indivisible chums,
One in reality, of course.
Matter exists because of mind,
Which does not its existence owe
To lifeless matter, deaf and blind,
That ne'er can its own being know.
How can there be a world without
Intelligence to give it life.
The reason why we fall in doubt
Stems from the foolish theories rife.
It is Intelligence alone
That can a universe create.
A stone will always be a stone
Unless new forces operate.
All ordered complex changes denote
The operation of a mind.
You nowhere will a pant and coat,
No human hand has tailored, find.
It is Intelligence, again,
Infinitely subtle and acute,
That has designed the human brain,
So shrewd, inventive and astute.
This great Intelligence controls
Our vast creation as our minds
Control our bodies for the roles
Which we perform of various kinds.
Should we not try to express our love
And homage for this gracious God
Or fail His bounties to avow
With worship, prayer, service, laud.
A strange perversity has gripped
Like to a vice, the human mind,
That is the reason we have tripped
On our way upward and now find
Ourselves in gravest danger that
Might prove disastrous for the race,
Not knowing 'its a tit for tat
For our revolt denial of Grace.
Air, water, fire, the sun and moon,
And all the treasures of the earth
Each one of them a priceless boon,
Are free for us right from our birth.
Indeed,It must be a barren mind,
Unmoved by this great Mystery,
That does not all in nature find
Something to be a votary.
Something to fill his heart with love
And ceaseless wonder, also awe,
As on the starlit sky above
He sees writ large the rule of Law.
0, ye rash skeptic ponder well
While there is time yet to recant
Can you believe the Sun will tell
His mighty secrets to an ant?
It is a self-defeating game,
A bid for honour, fame or gain.
For, how can one a knowledge claim
Which is beyond the average brain?
Belief or disbelief can make
A world of difference in the life
Of multitudes were they to take
It serious in the climate rife.
The atmosphere of disbelief,
Which in academies prevails,
Will bring humanity to grief,
If she to eject the poison fails.
Religious fanatics who claim
The first position for their creed,
The Founder and their God defame
To feed their vanity and greed.
For, how can you to God impute
The human failing for a pet
That He would serve one tea and fruit,
And others e'en to ask forget?
These notions and obsessions tell
To one, who knows, a sorry tale,
That people do not ponder well
Or study their faith in detail.
Monopoly of God's Love
Is as bad as denial of God.
In either case we cause a row,
To our size cut His Kingdom broad.
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:20:18 -0400
From: "Lucius" <dartanATnospamvoyager.net>
To: "kundalini people" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: animal healing
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just thought id add to the list of comments on animals. i, too, have healed
an animal once...at least im pretty sure i did. we have a black lab that is
a little over ten i think. (actually we have a lot more animals but ill skip
that) he has a major back problem that has something to do with his nerves.
one day i was home alone myself and he was whining more than usual. so i
checked him out and decided to try a healing on him. within about 15-20
seconds of my putting my hands on him he stopped whining and lay down. i
could have just been comforting him tho, but im pretty sure that i at least
took some of the pain away. on a sadder note i once TRIED a healing on a
little lovebird. we had named her Milford. we only had her for about 3 days.
but she was friendlier and more loving than many humans i know. we knew
something was wrong with her so we were driving to the people we bought her
from and i was holding her in my hands to keep her warm and also tried to
help heal her. not more than a minute or so to the drive i knew she was
dead. many people would not understand how this could be that big of a deal,
but a loving and helpless creature died in my hands, and i think that is
what drives me now to learn the art.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 09:22:38 -0400
From: "Lucius" <dartanATnospamvoyager.net>
To: "kundalini people" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>,
"guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Re: prana and kundalini and animals as teachers
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wow, ive never heard of an animal do anything like that. for an animal to
realize that if it kills something directly its owners wouldnt be happy is
one thing, but to know that if it kills indirectly it might get away with it
is pretty.... frightening......
<lucius looks over at his cat laying on his bed and wonders why she keeps
staring at him...>
i wonder if it thought that a new cat would mean its demise, as after it
came along the old cat died.
Date: Sun, 20 Sep 1998 19:16:55 EDT
From: GISLENNEATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Experiences
Message-ID: <fdcd3c4.36058ce7ATnospamaol.com>
Hi Everyone
Its me again,,,,,,please send me some info for my book about your
experiences with Muscle spasms/Twitches/Cramps/Muscle
pain...remember I asked you all before...so can those of you that would like
to share please privately E-mail me so that we do not tie up the k-
list....Thankyou all!!!!!!!
I love you all and thank you all from the bottom of my heart.......Gis
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