1998/09/19 16:03
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #667
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 667
Today's Topics:
Re: prana and kundalini [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.i ]
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Re: prana and kundalini [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
prana and "K" [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: prana and kundalini and animals [ "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.c ]
Re: prana and kundalini and animals [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.i ]
Re: Re: Re: Rain.. [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
prana and "K" [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: prana and kundalini and animals [ "RevDL.K.RM" <htminATnospamptdprolog.net> ]
Re: Re: evidence II [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Digests [ "Kimberly Nixon" <maniacone2uATnospamhotma ]
Re: Re: prana and kundalini [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Re: prana and kundalini [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Re: A grandson's thumb [ "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com ]
Re: prana and "K" [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Re: prana and kundalini and anim [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Re: prana and kundalini [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
Re: Re: prana and kundalini [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
Re: Re: prana and kundalini [ onarresATnospaminreach.com ]
Re: Re: prana and kundalini and anim [ "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.c ]
Re: Re: Re: prana and kundalini [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Re: Re: prana and kundalini [ YahseyesATnospamaol.com ]
Recent conversations on Gurus [ "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
Re: Re: Re: prana and kundalini [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 21:23:30 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: guy johnson <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
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Subject: Re: prana and kundalini
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I didn't said that the animals don't experience the energy one would send
them through reiki or love. They too r living beings and they also heal.
They r made of same thing we r made of. But wat i wanted to say was that
might be that they don't the chakras like Sahasrar( Crown Chakra)
Otherwise we would have had Yogis frm animal kingdom too.
............ If one showers love towards plants even they would respond
back in love and feel relaxed.
love,
anurag
On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, guy johnson wrote:
> Dear anurag: In my experience as a horse trainer, communicator and pet
> caretaker for years, I would have to disagree about humans alone
> experiencing k. Animals are very open to k energy, and I would go so
> far as to say they seek it out after having shared it with a human. I
> do not know whether they simply come to share what they all ready know
> and have, or whether we impart k energy to them... seems an irrelevent
> question to me, they simply do, without a questioning ego or intellect
> to interfere with the trip.
> One of my clients is a reiki master, and recently took her new horse
> home. This mare was sharing k energy with guy and myself on a daily
> basis while I had her in training, and so when I suggested that the
> owner practice sharing her skills with this mare, an incredibly deep
> trust resulted. This allowed them both to relax and have a much less
> anxious session than ever before. She will share her reiki energy
> regularly now.
> For you scientific types, the physiological evidence of their
> experiencing k energy is not unlike how we humans respond: trembling, a
> deep state of trance, muscle relaxation far beyond their typical posture
> (ears, lips, and neck hang, and a softening of the eye afterwards.) we
> have helped many horses overcome anxiety and depression by simply
> sharing with love what we share when we work on humans. The animal
> kingdom is waiting for us to wake up, and they have been exceedingly
> patient teachers. Look at them from a respectful position (instead of
> our conditioned superiority) and you may well find wisdom of a sort you
> never conceived. Just our thoughts.
> much love and great light to you, katrina and guy
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 09:28:58 -0700
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Subject: Re: prana and kundalini
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Dear Guy and Katrina,
I am in agreement with you regarding animals. My daughter's cat was ill, she brought her to me for healing. The cat would always jump on my lap and wait for the healing touch of the hands. As i would stroke her, she would close her eyes and relax, feeling love and healing. When she had enough, she would jump down and go about her business. So yes, they do know love, and are more intelligent that we give them credit for, and they recognize the energy that we have. She would not approach anyone else for this touch, so I would venture to say that she recognized the K within me.
After reading your post, I thought about her, everything you said about your client's horse certainly applied to this cat as well. So yes, the animal kingdom is waiting for us to awaken... and how slow we are to recognize this... Blessings dor
>For you scientific types, the physiological evidence of their experiencing k energy is not unlike how we humans respond: trembling, a deep state of trance, muscle relaxation far beyond their typical posture
>(ears, lips, and neck hang, and a softening of the eye afterwards.) we have helped many horses overcome anxiety and depression by simply sharing with love what we share when we work on humans. The animal
>kingdom is waiting for us to wake up, and they have been exceedingly patient teachers.
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:09:44 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: prana and "K"
Message-ID: <3603AD17.A81E0376ATnospammhonline.net>
Enjoyed the post from katrina and guy about the horses reactions to K,
prana etc.
> For you scientific types, the physiological evidence of their
> experiencing k energy is not unlike how we humans respond: "
I really don't know the scientific terminolgy, I just know that after 25
years of running a kennel and grooming dogs that there obviously is a
transfer.
Some people have had bad experiences having their dogs groomed and warn
me that I'm in for some trouble. After 2 minutes they simple don't
believe their eyes at the calmness and affection shown to me. Funny that
I have always explained it to people that when one gets on a horse, the
horse knows immediatly if the person is experienced or not. (And will
have some fun accordingly !) It's in the touch and the transfer. Younger
dogs can only take a K touch for roughly 5 seconds,perhaps I need to
learn to tune it down, while older arthritic dogs always take at least a
10-15 minute session. Is it reiki or K or prana? Or a combination of all
of the above ?
I only know that one can see the results. Years ago as dog control
officer I would go on calls where a dog would be in shock with a broken
back after being hit by a car. Teeth a snapping and screaming. I would
walk in talk, touch and pick her up and bring her to the vet. I never
analysed it. I experimented over 20 years with this and have refined it
to a look.I'm not bragging but a terrorized, half-crazed dog would take
one look at me (as I tried to release "IT" from my eyes without a word)
and yip once like, "Oh thank God ! Finally ! Someone to help me".They
would completely relax, let me examine them and pick them up. People
would shake their heads and whisper,"a witch" as they walked away.
You bet you can see the results.
It's being in the groove. Unfortunately the human wants to figer it out
while the canine just wants to nuzzle up like the horse.I have studied
for 20 some years and still can't correctly label it. I just enjoy
studying about St. Francis of Assisi(very 6th Ray) and kinda have a hint
at how he did it. AHHH the "company of the creatures" that we were to
"name"and have power over and subdue. . . . ever look at the 11th Tarot
card as she hold the lions mouth open? To subdue with LOVE.
I could go on and on. I'll shut up.
More Light ,(to the humans and beasties )
+ Maureen
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:18:10 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: prana and kundalini and animals as teachers
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But wat i wanted to say was that
>might be that they don't the chakras like Sahasrar( Crown Chakra)
>Otherwise we would have had Yogis frm animal kingdom too.
>love,
>anurag
I guess I'm not sure that there aren't. Has anyone really checked to
see? The distinction between the animal kingdom and the human kingdom
seems man-made to me. Thus my reluctance to accept that we are so very
separate. More thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated, if it
isn't too far away from the k bandwidth. Much love and great light to
you all, katrina
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 22:54:31 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: guy johnson <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: prana and kundalini and animals as teachers
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I don't know much abt this but let me share watever i know may be harsha
may may be able to tell more.
It is said that one get's the life of human being only after one has gone
through 84 lakhs yoniyans ( species). It's onlt through the life of human
being that one is able to get liberation.
I also heard long back frm my teacher in college who said that some
nadis which was like sushmana, ida or pingla( I don't remember now to
which he mentioned) is not there in animals.
love,
anurag
On Sat, 19 Sep 1998, guy johnson wrote:
>
>
> But wat i wanted to say was that
> >might be that they don't the chakras like Sahasrar( Crown Chakra)
> >Otherwise we would have had Yogis frm animal kingdom too.
> >love,
> >anurag
>
> I guess I'm not sure that there aren't. Has anyone really checked to
> see? The distinction between the animal kingdom and the human kingdom
> seems man-made to me. Thus my reluctance to accept that we are so very
> separate. More thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated, if it
> isn't too far away from the k bandwidth. Much love and great light to
> you all, katrina
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:35:45 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: Rain..
Message-ID: <8d087425.3603eb71ATnospamaol.com>
Yes, Kukele dream was quite famous. At least with that dream, the dreamer was
aware of chemicals and their symbols. In my dream however, I cannot read any
Japaneese letters at all ever. Yet in my dream I saw the exact symbol (kangi
I think the glyphs are called) for the button in my head without ever seeing
that character before and when I woke up, I looked on the remote for a
character that matched the one in my dream (in my head) for a specific
function and it worked! The part that freaks me out is my view of the letter
or word or whatever it was that did what I wanted it to on the changer came
from no where I had ever been to before. This event changed my life. I am an
electrical engineer and used to only believing black and white. Thanks for
your feedback. Love, Lou
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:38:47 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: prana and "K"
Message-ID: <3603B3E7.F79B125CATnospammhonline.net>
After thinking about it I remember reading somewhere that the animal
kingdom has all the rudiments but some not yet active.Open heart
centers?Hummmmm. Humor?Hummmm. Speech? yeah, the rudiments. Crown
chakra???The rudiments of , I quess.We better get busy and help them
along.
+ Maureen
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 13:51:21 -0700
From: "RevDL.K.RM" <htminATnospamptdprolog.net>
To: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: prana and kundalini and animals as teachers
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Diane Stien, has wrotten a book on animals and Reiki, I heard it was
good,Personally I gave my dog 2nd level Reiki and he's very aware of my
thoughts and feelings, when he see's me dealing with the k, he becomes
concerned,and stays with me. My cats are so perceptive it amazing,My white
rat well I don't know whats up with him,except he comes to me when I call
his name!!! but then again I feed him the goodies!!! Love to all,Denise
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To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Date: Saturday, September 19, 1998 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: prana and kundalini and animals as teachers
>
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:49:28 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: carreaATnospamvideotron.ca, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, Michael.GoodwinATnospamjcu.edu.au
Subject: Re: Re: evidence II
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My training as a scientist and as a BSEE, I agree with Antoine's statement.
The key word is relativity. Everything is relative to your baseline of
understanding. I was asked to give a speech at a Theosophist meeting last
week on the fundamentals of reality and I thought I could relate the concept
to the symbolic use of numbers. This worked until I introduced concepts of
mathematics using Euclid Geometry. I made the statement that no matter what
planet you go to in this universe, One plus one will always equal two. I was
quickly corrected by another engineer in the audience who remainded me of
Boolean algebra where you measure state change and not 3 dimensional
quantities. In that case, one and one equals one or in a binary based
weighted system using a ten base permutation, One and one equals three. The
point is we have to define what we are measuring and our assumptions of that
reality's laws.
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 10:51:03 PDT
From: "Kimberly Nixon" <maniacone2uATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Is there an address that I can email to change from individual postings
to a digest format? Could someone please contact me at:
ManiacOne2UATnospamhotmail.com with the info.
Thanks,
Kimberly
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:55:14 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
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Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: prana and kundalini
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Stating Kundalini is specific emanations from only a human is only a way to
use words to attempt to get across a thought. Its all semantics but we all
need somewhere to start or we'll never communicate. I personally believe
EVERY word is a unique expression of God's manifestation as the all absolute.
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 13:58:53 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in, tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com
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hmmm, further on this, I came to a tentative conclusion from a scientific
basis, eg, observation and prediction = fact, that the only real difference
between us and the animal kingdom is that we have the ability to use our will
to overcome the instinctive will to live. In other words, only we commit
sucide. Any thoughts? Love Lou
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:00:09 PDT
From: "jim privacy" <jprivacyATnospamhotmail.com>
To: htminATnospamptdprolog.net, happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: A grandson's thumb
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bbah and RevDL:
The barbara you are referring to is:
Barbara Alexander <nickynoodleATnospamnetrax.net
Love, -Jim
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From: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: htminATnospamptdprolog.net
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Subject: Re: A grandson's thumb
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 02:55:13 PDT
>Reply-To: "RevDL.K.RM" <htminATnospamptdprolog.net>
>From: "RevDL.K.RM" <htminATnospamptdprolog.net>
>To: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com>
>Subject: Re: your owl family/dreams
>Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 21:09:58 -0700
>
>Barb . Are you the barb with the grandson with the finger problem, if
you
>are did you get my post,about where in PA thats where I am,Ill see him
if we <snip>
Hello Denise,
No , you have the wrong Barb. It must be the lady who when she first
came on the K-list called herself "Barbara" , then I noticed she
switched to "Barb", and lately has been signing off with "barb". When I
saw the latter name I wondered how soon people would get us confused as
I usually sign off as "barb". 'usually write my entire name in lower
case. Maybe I'll have to shrink it further to just "b" or "bbah"
'loha, barb
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:03:14 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
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Subject: Re: prana and "K"
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Maureen, that post was one of the most beautiful group of words I read in a
long time. I am still experiencing goose pimples. Bless you, Lou
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 14:07:22 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: prana and kundalini and animals as teachers
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Hi Katrina, I am new to this list so I am sorry if my previous post reached
you or just the people who I replied to before so please consider this: The
only distinction of the human vs the animal is our ability to commit concious
suicide. I have looked into this for a year of so and it seems to be holding
up but as usual, I am not positive.
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:24:29 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Nope, whales commit suicide too. They deliberately swim to shore and
beach themselves. Sometimes, after they are rescued, they swim back and
beach themselves again. No one knows why they do this.
-E
>
>hmmm, further on this, I came to a tentative conclusion from a
scientific
>basis, eg, observation and prediction = fact, that the only real
difference
>between us and the animal kingdom is that we have the ability to use
our will
>to overcome the instinctive will to live. In other words, only we
commit
>sucide. Any thoughts? Love Lou
>
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:26:12 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: prana and kundalini
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Oh yeah, and have heard many stories of animals refusing to eat and
dieing after their owner, or even another pet that they were close to,
had died.
-E
>hmmm, further on this, I came to a tentative conclusion from a
scientific
>basis, eg, observation and prediction = fact, that the only real
difference
>between us and the animal kingdom is that we have the ability to use
our will
>to overcome the instinctive will to live. In other words, only we
commit
>sucide. Any thoughts? Love Lou
>
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 11:29:07 -0700
From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
To: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: prana and kundalini
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or a bird that deliberately flies into the path of a car - an elephant
mourns their mate that has died and may refuse to eat -
At 11:26 AM 9/19/98 PDT, Evelyn Niedbalec wrote:
>Oh yeah, and have heard many stories of animals refusing to eat and
>dieing after their owner, or even another pet that they were close to,
>had died.
>-E
>
>>hmmm, further on this, I came to a tentative conclusion from a
>scientific
>>basis, eg, observation and prediction = fact, that the only real
>difference
>>between us and the animal kingdom is that we have the ability to use
>our will
>>to overcome the instinctive will to live. In other words, only we
>commit
>>sucide. Any thoughts? Love Lou
>>
>>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 12:18:59 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: prana and kundalini and animals as teachers
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hello: have to share this one small thing, you tell me if it is
relevent. My sister has a maine coon cat. she settled in well with the
siamese cat who came before her, and after the siamese died, Phoebe (the
coon cat) had only dogs and horses to deal with. When my sister got a
gray kitten to replace the siamese one a couple of years later, she and
her husband watched her take the kitten out to the road (not very busy,
way rural, so what cars there were tended to go pretty fast) and
encourage him to sleep in the middle of it. She would set the example,
then leave. (bringing new meaning to the term, "go play in the
street..."). The gray cat, needless to say, was hit by a car not too
much later. Seemed a coincidence until she later got another coon
kitten when her husband left. This time, Phoebe kept showing the kitten
how nice and warm it is inside the truck engine after it has been
driven. When that kitten met his demise upon my sister starting the
engine, she decided to test the coincidence no further. She did get a
jack russell terrier, who so far is holding her own. This isn't
suicide, but it sure feels like pre-meditated death hope to me. does
that add to your picture? much love and light to you, katrina
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>Hi Katrina, I am new to this list so I am sorry if my previous post
reached
>you or just the people who I replied to before so please consider this:
The
>only distinction of the human vs the animal is our ability to commit
concious
>suicide. I have looked into this for a year of so and it seems to be
holding
>up but as usual, I am not positive.
>
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Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:45:40 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: log_me_inATnospamHOTMAIL.COM, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: prana and kundalini
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hmmm, regarding whale suicide, I wonder if they do this conciously or
instinctively. Then again, I can't define concious anyway
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 16:47:03 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com
To: log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: prana and kundalini
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Animal depression is a known mental imbalance but not to the point of suicide.
The whale thing has me going though
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 18:29:03 -0400
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Recent conversations on Gurus
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Hi All,
Because of recent conversations on this topic I thought I would share this
with everyone. Also here is a url if you are interested in learning more
about Chief Joseph.
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat
http://www.greatwesternpublishing.org/index.html
POWER AND GURUS
by Chief Joseph
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Recently, we spoke of power and how many on the earth plane abdicate their
power by giving it to others. Those "others" can be many - your spouses,
your children, your parents, your friends, your governments, your teachers,
your preachers - even God!
"Did I hear you right, Joseph" - I can hear see the questions flooding in on
a tide of protest. "How can we be wrong in giving our lives - our power - to
God?" I would answer "You cannot be wrong - IF you remember who God - and
YOU - are." The two are one and the same!
These past several decades on your planet have been what I would call the
"age of the guru." Many powerful and enlightened teachers have come to you
in human form during these closing decades of your 20th century. And you
have learned many lessons from them. But one lesson has yet to be fully
mastered by many, even among the lightworkers. And that lesson is YOU, my
dear ones, are your own guru! And there is none higher.
Even your Christ did not come and walk amongst you so he could be your
guru - your savior. If that's what you believe of him - or of any other -
you've missed the point of their messages.
Did not your Christ say "All these things I do, you also can do - and even
greater things"?
It's time, my dear ones, for you to be saved. And there is only one savior -
YOU! Look within - and there you shall find the power to do "all these
things."
Sunday, September 20, 1998
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 1998 15:32:15 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Re: Re: prana and kundalini
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Except that when I think of instinct, I think of natural survival
skills. I don't see how beaching oneself would have any survival
benefits.
-E
>
>hmmm, regarding whale suicide, I wonder if they do this conciously or
>instinctively. Then again, I can't define concious anyway
>
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