1998/09/18 08:27
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #664
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 664
Today's Topics: Re: Reiki..was Re:to list [ "jim privacy" ]
Abt Kundalini [ Anurag Goel ] symbols [ Maureen Heffernan ]
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 20:18:06 PDT From: "jim privacy"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com Subject: Re: Reiki..was Re:to list
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Dear Julie:
I have maybe a partial answer to your question.
A new book is being released that contains translations of Dr. Usui's
original class notes. In it (I am told) Dr. Usui taught his Reiki students to administer not just with the laying on of hands, but also in
combination with vigorous massage, vibrating/pulsating movement, and other techniques very similar to what you described.
So, this variation on Reiki you discovered has a long and noble lineage.
I have no clear idea why this experience brought on pain for you. Never
experienced that with Reiki before, but sometimes when K does her housecleaning.
Now, I cannot explain what force "took over" your hands, but you don't
sound too worried about it, maybe a little freaked and certainly curious. It may not be necessary to fit a name to it. More and more, I'm
finding it less helpful to pigeonhole my experiences with my rational mind. I can't force God to fit between my ears.
Personally, if this had happened to me I'd feel very blessed and ask
that force (Reiki guide, holy spirit, All That Is, whatever) to visit early and often.
Thanks for sharing, and hope this happens to me, too!
Love, -Jim
As you can tell in my earlier post (Re:to
list) something took over my hands and arms during the healing. I put this
out to you all on the list in hopes of getting feedback on related experiences or help on dealing with the pain side of the experience.
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Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 21:32:26 PDT From: "Evelyn Niedbalec"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: The out-of-body deal.
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>
>Hey. . . anyone know if it's really possible to play around with the >kundalini flow and get an out of body type of experience. And does
>anyone have an experience to share? I've seen all sorts of exercises to
>wake up power centers - which some people claim induce them - and I've >tried them to no avail.
> Hudson
Oh yes, it is entirely possible to have OBEs using "the vibrations" as the out of body travelers call them. In fact, that's how I got into
this whole mess (kundalini) in the first place. I would get these weird feelings and then I would be out flying around the room and other
places.
But getting OBEs exactly on demand has proven difficult for almost everyone it seems. Most go for having them during sleep or on the way
to sleep each night (trying for mind still conscious and body asleep). Another very good way is to try having a lucid dream and then exiting
during the dream. Something about the dream state makes OBEs much easier to achieve. I guess it is close to the right state for OBEs
already. Of course, there is a big debate about whether OBEs are really a case of leaving the body or are simply your mind's way of interpreting
accessing the universal consciousness, but I'll leave that issue alone. ONe thing they are is a great lot of fun, although they can also be
scary if you are not mentally prepared. It seems that all emotions are greatly amplified during OBEs and that includes fear of the unknown.
I would suggest that you try searching for info on the net using the
term "OBE" or "out of body experience" There is tons of info on the net, but of course take everything with a grain of salt. There are also
a ton of theories on how it all works, what are the best techniques, etc. Different people seem to have success doing different things. I
simply try to think about how it would be nice to have an OBE while falling asleep and during any middle of the night wake ups and then
cross my fingers.
The goal for many is to reach the vibration stage (which you guys would probably call prana rising) and then push the vibrations through the
entire body and then raise the frequency of the vibrations until you find you can float out or crawl out of body. I will leave the k
interpretation of that technique to the experts! -E
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From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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>At 06:35 PM 17/09/98 PDT, Hudson Jackson II wrote: >>
>>Hey. . . anyone know if it's really possible to play around with the >>kundalini flow and get an out of body type of experience. And does
>>anyone have an experience to share? I've seen all sorts of exercises to
>>wake up power centers - which some people claim induce them - and I've >>tried them to no avail.
>> > Ignore all the mumbo jumbo and fancy techniques. OBE is really
simple.. >"where ever you go, there you are.." is the truth of your
consciousness. > Time and space do not really exist, to consciousness.. thru your
>unconscious you encompass all that Is. No-place to go, but following the
>connections inside yourself. The universe in your heart. >
> If you imagine yourself at the beach, very clearly, then you are >effectively OBEing to the beach.. to the time/space of the memory..
imagine >yourself walking on the moon, there you are.
One thing cool about OBEs are that senses are altered and often quite improved. The sense of sight for instance is much clearer and more
precise and beautiful than any pitiful organic eyes could ever produce. -E
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From: "Paul" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hey,
Is there some reason why I am starting to feel `at-home' on planet
Earth?
I mean, I've been here for quite a number of years now. Is this what is referred to as the great "settling down" of your 20's-30's?
Also I noticed today a strange thing in that I think I view people on
telivision as not being human. I don't think of them as people. It's like just watching these things performing due to them being so
wrapped up in appearances. Strikes me to wonder also where all the enemies are when all that there is around me is a bunch of human
beings.
I think some things are becoming more acceptable, and more understandable. There's this word that keeps coming to my mind - "us".
:-)
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 00:47:29 EDT
From: YahseyesATnospamaol.com To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hello all. I am new on this list. I have had some life intro's this past, my
first week, and need to share. First of all, I am Louis, will post stats as soon as I figure out how and where. I died once when I was eight. Rheumatic
fever, last rites, etc. But came back for some reason. My life since has been very weird. I am 47 years old I guess. At least based on this relative
measure this time around.
Found Kundalini via NYC Trantra links. Anyone know of NYC people involved and open to a new seeker? I am not in Hawaii. Found someone in my area but she
charges $150 per learning session. Worth it I guess, but I am not rich.
It has been long since I've been able to worship a woman as she allowed and feel both male and female sides in myself. Experience was meeting of matter
and spirit. I may have died again. It felt so good. I drew a picture of what I felt and it was a large "V" coming from above my head focused in the
root where hers met mine. There were colors in the arms of the "V". Bluish, rust reds, oranges on outer sides, brilliant gold as approaching center lines.
Turning to bright white on center lines of the arms of each "V" and culminating in almost blinding white at center bottom of "V" where mine met
hers. The V's made an X. There is something to the center of this I am sure.
My drawings had X's upon X's.
Thanks to all who shared wisdom. Thanks to Theosophy and Gita. Hope someone can comment on experience, if $150 is a bit silly, and if there is life for me
finding others in NYC. Peace Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 02:00:25 PDT
From: "cindy moore" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: The out-of-body deal reply Message-ID:
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Good morning Hudson, Check out Robert A. Monroe's book (1971) Journeys Out of the Body. He
started his sessions by lying on a bed and visualizing that he was floating on the ceiling, looking back at his body. Really simple.
When your traveling watch out for the Europeans, they don't like
uninvited guests cruising their castles. :>)
>From: "Hudson Jackson II" >To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
>Subject: The out-of-body deal. >Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 18:35:36 PDT
> >
>Hey. . . anyone know if it's really possible to play around with the >kundalini flow and get an out of body type of experience. And does
>anyone have an experience to share? I've seen all sorts of exercises to
>wake up power centers - which some people claim induce them - and I've >tried them to no avail.
> >
> >
>- Hudson >
>++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >Java (n.): Coffee fit for consumption by computer.
> >
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Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:44:10 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
To: Kundalini Mailing List Subject: Friends (fwd) off topic(Kundalini)
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Recieved this mail frm a friend. Found it nice so thought of posting it to
list. Hope i haven't wasted the bandwidth.
> > Mark was walking home from school one day when he noticed the boy > > ahead of him had tripped and dropped all of the books he was
> carrying, > > along with two sweaters, a baseball bat, a glove and a small tape
> > recorder. > > Mark knelt down and helped the boy pick up the scattered articles.
> > Since they were going the same way, he helped to carry part of the > > burden. As they walked Mark discovered the boy's name was Bill,
> > that he loved video games, baseball and history, and that he was > > having
> > lots of trouble with his other subjects and that he had just broken > up
> > with his girlfriend. > > They arrived at Bill's home first and Mark was invited in for a
> > Coke and to watch some television. The afternoon passed pleasantly > > with
> > a few laughs and some shared small talk, then Mark went home. > > They continued to see each other around school, had lunch together
> > once or twice, then both graduated from junior high school. They > ended
> > up in the same high school where they had brief contacts over the > > years.
> > Finally the long-awaited senior year came and three weeks before > > graduation, Bill asked Mark if they could talk. Bill reminded him of
> > the day years ago when they had first met. "Did you ever wonder why > I
> > was carrying so many things home that day?" asked Bill. "You see, > > cleaned out my locker because I didn't want to leave a mess for
> > anyone else. I had stored away some of my mother's sleeping pills > > and I was going home to commit suicide. But after we spent some
> > time together talking and laughing, I realized that if I had killed > > myself, I would have missed that time and so many others that might
> > follow. So you see, Mark, when you picked up those books that day, > you
> > did a lot more, you saved my life." > > Every little hello, every little smile, every helping hand saves a
> > hurting heart. Pass it on. With this email also comes the token that > > says that YOU are special. There's a miracle called Friendship that
> > dwells in the heart. You don't know how it happens or when it > > gets started but, you know the special lift it always brings and
> > you realize that Friendship Is God's most precious gift! > > Friends are a very rare jewel, indeed. They make you smile and
> > encourage you to succeed. They lend an ear, they share a word of > > praise,
> > and they always want to open their heart to us. Show your friends > how
> > much you care >
love, anurag
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 03:02:26 PDT From: "cindy moore"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in Subject: Re: Friends (fwd) off topic(Kundalini)
Message-ID:
Nothing is ever off topic here.
I will add a "thought for today".
It's good to be a seeker, but sooner or later
you have to be a finder. And then it is well
to give what you have found, a gift into the world
for whoever will accept it." Johathan Livingston Seagull
Much regards,
Cindy
>Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:44:10 +0530 (IST) >From: Anurag Goel
>To: Kundalini Mailing List >Subject: Friends (fwd) off topic(Kundalini)
> >
>Recieved this mail frm a friend. Found it nice so thought of posting it to
>list. Hope i haven't wasted the bandwidth. >
>> > Mark was walking home from school one day when he noticed the boy >> > ahead of him had tripped and dropped all of the books he was
>> carrying, >> > along with two sweaters, a baseball bat, a glove and a small tape
>> > recorder. >> > Mark knelt down and helped the boy pick up the scattered
articles. >> > Since they were going the same way, he helped to carry part of the
>> > burden. As they walked Mark discovered the boy's name was Bill, >> > that he loved video games, baseball and history, and that he was
>> > having >> > lots of trouble with his other subjects and that he had just broken
>> up >> > with his girlfriend.
>> > They arrived at Bill's home first and Mark was invited in for a >> > Coke and to watch some television. The afternoon passed pleasantly
>> > with >> > a few laughs and some shared small talk, then Mark went home.
>> > They continued to see each other around school, had lunch together >> > once or twice, then both graduated from junior high school. They
>> ended >> > up in the same high school where they had brief contacts over the
>> > years. >> > Finally the long-awaited senior year came and three weeks before
>> > graduation, Bill asked Mark if they could talk. Bill reminded him of
>> > the day years ago when they had first met. "Did you ever wonder why >> I
>> > was carrying so many things home that day?" asked Bill. "You see, >> > cleaned out my locker because I didn't want to leave a mess for
>> > anyone else. I had stored away some of my mother's sleeping pills >> > and I was going home to commit suicide. But after we spent some
>> > time together talking and laughing, I realized that if I had killed >> > myself, I would have missed that time and so many others that might
>> > follow. So you see, Mark, when you picked up those books that day, >> you
>> > did a lot more, you saved my life." >> > Every little hello, every little smile, every helping hand saves
a >> > hurting heart. Pass it on. With this email also comes the token
that >> > says that YOU are special. There's a miracle called Friendship that
>> > dwells in the heart. You don't know how it happens or when it >> > gets started but, you know the special lift it always brings and
>> > you realize that Friendship Is God's most precious gift! >> > Friends are a very rare jewel, indeed. They make you smile and
>> > encourage you to succeed. They lend an ear, they share a word of >> > praise,
>> > and they always want to open their heart to us. Show your friends >> how
>> > much you care >>
> >
>love, >anurag
> >
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:33:48 -0400 From: "Lucius"
To: "kundalini people" Subject: obes
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saw a posting on obes. the statement was about inducing obes through kundalini... this isnt really along those lines, so please forgive me
for going off on a tangent. but this group is the first ive met that i feel it effective to ask any spiritual questions of.
all my life(im 21) i have been interested in spiritual matters
but have been specifically interested in obes, but have had very small results. ive come to the realization that if there is nothing holding you back
then all you need is the desire to do it. and so i have reached the obvious(now anyways) conclusion that there is something of a spiritual, physical, or mental
nature that is holding me back and no special ritual or such will bring about an obe, until i solve the block within me.
just recently,while meditating,i had the sudden realization that i do know how to project(plus many
other things) and that it is quite simple but couldnt identify what was still holding me back.
i was curious if anyone had any non-obvious reasons as to why
i would be afraid,unwilling, or unable to conciously project and remember it fully.
to seek, to learn,
to be.....
Lucius Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 14:22:15 +0530 (IST)
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Hi Everyone, As Navratri (New night) is approaching i thought may be
i will share this with u all. It is said that siddhi of NAvraan Mantra is very much required for kundalini
awakening.
Siddhi can be obtained by 1.25 lakhs japa of the NAvraan Mantra. It should be done in 9 days and the 1.25 lakhs japaa
divided equally in 9 days. Even if one is not able to do the specified japaa , the amount of japaa done of above
mantra will be beneficial.
i don't remember the mantra in full at present. May be someone on the list knows abt it and can tell the list
love,
anurag
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 03:31:21 PDT
From: "cindy moore" To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, dartanATnospamvoyager.net
Subject: Re: obes Message-ID:
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Lucius The following is a web page, which has a listing for OBE's. Sometimes
knowledge helps propel us to the point where we want to be. http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit.html#Subjects
>From: "Lucius"
>To: "kundalini people" >Subject: obes
>Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 15:33:48 -0400 >
>saw a posting on obes. the statement was about inducing obes through = >kundalini... this isnt really along those lines, so please forgive me =
>for going off on a tangent. but this group is the first ive met that i =
>feel it effective to ask any spiritual questions of. >
>all my life(im 21) i have been interested in spiritual matters but have =
>been specifically interested in obes, but have had very small results. =
>ive come to the realization that if there is nothing holding you back = >then all you need is the desire to do it. and so i have reached the =
>obvious(now anyways) conclusion that there is something of a spiritual, =
>physical, or mental nature that is holding me back and no special ritual =
>or such will bring about an obe, until i solve the block within me.=20 >just recently,while meditating,i had the sudden realization that i do =
>know how to project(plus many other things) and that it is quite simple =
>but couldnt identify what was still holding me back. >
>i was curious if anyone had any non-obvious reasons as to why i would be =
>afraid,unwilling, or unable to conciously project and remember it fully. =
> >
> >to seek,
> to learn, > to be.....
> >Lucius
>
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From: nancy To: kundalini-1
Subject: Beyond inbetween Message-ID:
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Hi List,
Today is D Day--Divorce Day. Everything hasn't worked out all to my
benefit, but overall, I'd say that things are equitable. And I *did* keep the computer I wanted. The rest of the junk is just junk and it's a
good time to dispose of it. Now that I can't keep this stuff, I won't hang on to it.
Something new is shifting as a result of "letting go." I'm noticing that
as I release that which I'm hanging onto, something new and wonderful fills its place.
I've been living like an impoverished wretch even though I earn enough
money to provide for myself and live pleasantly. Some Peeping Tom(s) helped me learn this. A week and a half ago, I heard a male voice
whispering sexual comments outside my bedroom window. My bedroom is on ground level and my cat had bent back a few slats on my vertical blinds
leaving a 6" gap. Apparently, as I lie in bed at night, this man (men?) enjoyed gawking at me. "What the hell is going on?" I shouted.
I turned off my TV and the lights and stood in the dark searching for
"Tom." I froze for a minute, wondering what I should do. Then I thought, I will not be at the mercy of some creep. I pulled on a pair of
shorts and marched outside to kick some ass. No one was there.
Several days later, I felt someone outside my window. When I heard some quiet moving, I yelled, "What the f*$ATnospam is going on out there!" This time
I quickly jumped out of bed, yanked on my shorts and ran outside. No one in back, but coincidentally, some college-aged guys in the apartment
across from mine were just walking up their steps.
I had had enough. I decided to replace my vertical blinds. The next day I shopped at a discount store and found them on sale. Then I decided I
was tired of my hand-me-down comforter that was too small for my bed. I want something colorful and bright, I thought. I found exactly what I
had in mind at a very reasonable price.
There was no reason to not replace those blinds long ago. I just didn't want to spend the $16. (Stupid!) There is no reason I can't open myself
up to things that reflect the person I am now. I'm not destitute. I don't have to live like I am.
As I release my husband from his vows today (and he from mine), I enter
the new wonderful life awaiting.
Why do we hang on to that which no longer serves us? Why have I clung to unproductive habits, ugly things, useless personal items, relationships
I've outgrown?
To get to this new life, I had to let go of the old life and begin living in uncertainty. The life of in-between--not being miserable, not
being fulfilled. It was better than being miserable. I didn't want to go back there. That's probably part of the reason I hung on.
Today, I move beyond in-between into the light of living. I've been
slowly letting go of the attachments so this wonderful new life has the space to flourish.
Nancy
Date: Fri, 18 Sep 1998 07:44:33 +0000 From: Maureen Heffernan
To: Kundalini Subject: symbols
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Starjunky, Can't seem to get a response at your home e-mail. Did you recieve my
post??? + Maureen
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 1998 08:25:37 -0700 From: "RevDL.K.RM"
To: "jim privacy" , ,
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Dear julie, were you not taught of the Reiki guides and masters that come to assist in healings??? This is who is helping you out . be sure to thank them
too!!!they are always there ,theres usally 5-7 of them.....DeniseRM -----Original Message-----
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Date: Thursday, September 17, 1998 8:18 PM
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