1998/09/13 14:37
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #655
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 655
Today's Topics:
Re: Gently does it... [ "foster" <mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com> ]
Re: Children,... [ "foster" <mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com> ]
RE: Lobby [ beisamATnospamjuno.com (a s) ]
My kid,... [ Amanda Smith <mswingsATnospammaxinet.com> ]
Potatoes [ Barbara Alexander <nickynoodleATnospamnetr ]
We need to define negativity... [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Where to from here? [ ckoATnospamjuno.com ]
Re: Gnu Guru [ v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
The negative Mercedes :) [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Where to from here? [ eggers <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu> ]
Re: Gently does it... [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Lobby [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Lobby [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Lobby [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:33:34 -0700
From: "foster" <mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com>
To: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>,
"kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gently does it...
Message-ID: <004d01bddf2c$847a3b00$574afdd0ATnospamMSN/mytime2>
Paul said:<<It's
gotten to the point where I am so unsure of things that I am becoming
sure of precicely that! The only thing one can be sure of is that you
can't be sure of anything! >>
Paul,
I think that your post brings up something that we learn as we grow
up. And your statement that reassurance does not cure is true but it does
help sometimes, although you cannot depend on it.. KA is a very good
teacher. I learned the not depending on anything lesson just about six
months ago when my car broke down, got another...after two days someone
crashed into it..oops! without a car again. Took the bus for awhile, it
never came on time...when it did come. Had to transfer to another bus at
the airport and wait 20 mnutes (or more). During which time businessmen,
gangsters, homeless people and whomever, eyed me up and down like a rump
roast. I got caught in an argument (no fault of my own , I was just
sitting!) between an 70 year old racist and a 20 something big Black man.
Not wanting the old man to get pounded, I smiled, winked and flirted with
the black man and rambled something about "old people getting stuck in their
ways, and not keeping up with the rest of the world....etc..". It worked,
Amos (the black man), asked me out for a drink.. I ,who am avoiding dating
like the plague! But my bus had come and luckily the old man took the same.
Whew!
My boss had decided not to pay us the full amount of holiday pay and cut
back on insurance payment. I am sick (you know, FMS) and need all the help
I can get. I rant and rave..( not really, I cried alot) get him to pay in
full. Then because I rant and rave (and cry), and HE doesn't like that or
the fact that I was late for days (bus) and am sick..he wants to lay me off.
My rent goes up and my ex decides to change jobs and will not be able to pay
child support (again). Oh, did I mention that my computer crashed and we
had to wait four weeks for a new hard drive? All this in two months! I sat
on the couch and realized...you cannot depend on anything. Not even the
fact that you can get off the couch again.
If you made it to the end of this post. Congratuations! You can depend on
me not doing it again! Or maybe not.
Much Love, Julie
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 08:46:53 -0700
From: "foster" <mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com>
To: "K. list" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Children,...
Message-ID: <005f01bddf2d$bbf28f00$574afdd0ATnospamMSN/mytime2>
Dear Amanda,
I have experienced and am still experiencing problems with my 10 year old
son that seem to be connected to KA. He is starting to develop psychic
incidents as well as other things, like leg pains, stomach problems,
attitude problems....etc...
I have read that KA is contagious! I have been watching him for signs
and they are showing up. Sorry still don't know what to do about it. I
just try to keep asking the Goddess to help him gently as possible. Much
Love, Julie
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:05:54 -0700
From: beisamATnospamjuno.com (a s)
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Lobby
Message-ID: <19980913.090556.-49536099.1.beisamATnospamjuno.com>
<My view is that pretending to be a guru or pretending that you are not
a guru is still a deceptive approach. >
practice makes perfect....
<And yet, time and time again they find themselves sitting there as
viewers. They may be exhibiting behaviours that have the appearance of
not being interested and of thinking the show is awful but within that
aversion there is still the desire to be watching it. >
and, who is reading Lobsters posts?
<I see a similar thing with you in your efforts to be `of service' and to
be attempting to show yourself as egotistical in order that you might be
effective
as a teacher.>
twisted isnt it? Personally, I find this kind of twisted approach
effective in "my" understanding,,,, it causes me to look at what he is
saying more closely, in order to figure out what the heck hes saying...
and it makes me laugh.
But then, I am rather twisted myself....
<If I were trapped in appearances I would be constantly looking for the
appearance of being freed from appearances.>
If...? arent we all trapped in appearances? of some sort.
If indeed you are looking for the "appearace of being freed from
appearances" you are still trapped in an appearances....
I dont recognize the person I am today as the person I was a year ago,
and I have dreams of being different a year from now.... so, I *pretend*
to BE closer to that dream.... this works for me... the more *act it out*
the closer I really am... manifesting my-self.
life IS an ever- changing illusion.
<In a way it is as though the student has no real say in the matter, no
real ability to make the guru be other than what he/she is. >
why would you want to *make* Lobster any thing other than what he is?
How can anyone *make* anyone anything other than what they are anyway?
except by changing your own perception of that person.
This has been/IS an especially tough lesson for me. In fact, I take it
to extrems, I find I want some people, especially loved ones, to BE a
certain way, and see only the things I want them to be and overlook the
things I am uncomfortable with.
Denial? Okay. faulty perception of appearace? okay.
"I" give them the *appearance" that "I" want to see... sometimes this
works wonderfully, and they will begin to act accordingly, however, most
often they go on about manifesting their own ideal selves, as they
should, it is terribly frustrating to MY ego, too bad for me! IT isn't
mine to manifest. It is theirs. Stinkin' hard lesson to learn.!!
I suppose that for everyone who doesnt understand Lobsters *methods*
there are at least a few who do...
guru or not.
and thats my babble of the mornin'
have a beatiful sunday,
freda
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:40:02 -0700
From: Amanda Smith <mswingsATnospammaxinet.com>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: My kid,...
Message-ID: <35FBF561.3A4EB394ATnospammaxinet.com>
Hello fellow adventurers, good morning, yes I said it is a good morning,
I put it out to the universe last night and the healing has begun. You
have all reaffirmed my feeling this fact as my eyes opened.
She just brought me a picture she drew of me, the colors are bright
again. Just like they used to be.
If this is what just recognizing it does, dang! I can not wait to see
what developes from all you have shared. My mother suggested this
morning the fact that my daughter fears natural disasters with out ever
having been around any as a clue to her potential. Can you imagine her
going through the K now or atleast beginning it? How scary would that
be for a 9 year old!!!... Wow, she seems to have improved over night
maybe because all of the pride I swallowed speaking with all of you and
also with a medicine man, herbal man, and a psychologist( all he did was
make me uncomfortable) (should have been my first clue that I was
dealing with something he, and his wife my best friend, would not
understand.) They do try but can not see the spiritual energy as real
yet, I pray that they do someday for their own eyes. It is hard to
keep my lives separate. They do not want to know and have said so.
They love me enough to be honest, and to not want to give up on me
completely.... Anyway this babble sounds choppy because I have an
emotional hangover after last night. I feel lighter today and will
recover fairly quickly. I am taking the kids out today. Cinderella
cleaned all day yesterday so she could go to the ball today!
So we are going out to have a ball and I think I will even wear a
dress. My sons request!!! I wish you all love and faith, I can not
thank you with words because there are no word to express the love I
feel for all of you. I feel I have finally found my way home. Now I am
going to see if I can help my daughter find her way. From my soul to
yours, a kiss for a good journey today. Amanda
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 13:25:33 -0400
From: Barbara Alexander <nickynoodleATnospamnetrax.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Potatoes
Message-ID: <35FC000D.9F1198D3ATnospamnetrax.net>
I checked my e-mail yesterday and as usual I scanned the subjects
before I started reading suddenly in bold letters, jumping off the page
at me was the word potatoes. What? Without checking who it was from, I
brought the page up.
In making so much effort to understand all that was being said in the
k mail it seems that my mind had lost contact with some of the really
simple and easily understood parts of life. The e-mail was a recipe for
potatoes that I had asked my sister for sometime ago. I read the recipe
and completely understood everything being said. It was a good feeling
to actually comprehend something. I laughed at myself because I am
silly. I laughed really hard and when I left the house to run some
errands I must have still had a very pleasant look because people I
didn't know were smiling and saying, "Hi!"
Don't forget to laugh. I don't know enough about k yet to know if
laughter clears the chakras, but it sure felt like it did.
I send to you potatoes. May we all have laughter in our lives and
remember now and then to lighten up.
barb
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 19:26:36 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: We need to define negativity...
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At 11:21 1998.09.13 -0400, Kat wrote:
>First let me thank you for the time that you took to respond to my message
>and I am sorry that it has taken me this long to respond.
No problem. :)
>>This is a serious problem, yes. I think that this feeling depends a lot on
>>one's spiritual maturity. I believe that most people feel when they do
>>something disharmonic, but they are, as I like to say, too fucked up to
>>notice the feeling. They feel pain, but it is likely that they will explain
>>it completely wrong: for instance, someone blames you for hurting them, it
>>is of course crap, and they feel bad (because of saying that to you) but
>>they explain it like "you see how she hurt me, I'm in pain".
>
>Unfortuntly these are the kind of people that I was brought up by and
>surrounded by.
You are not the only one, I assure you. ;)
>ready to be filled with light. The reality is I do have a dark side. The
>truth is that with this knowledge I can shed light on it.
It is important to figure out _what_ your dark side really is. I would say
that the dark side means isolation from the reality. Having that in mind,
you can understand why I perceive a lot of "love and light" stuff to be
essentially dark.
If you are awake, observing reality and acting in harmony with it, I would
call that the right course of action. Disharmony, even forcing the
"positive side" of things, is wrong. Sometimes extreme violence can be a
much "lighter" and "loving" response than its opposite - for instance if
your country is under severe attack it is better to join defense than to
join the non-violence groups. Victory of non-violence in such case can
cause death and destruction, so serious that it might never be reversed.
History teaches that quite clearly. If Hitler won in WW2, the disaster
would be so deep that it is hard even to imagine. When my country was
attacked by the Serbs, if we didn't defend ourselves and kick their ass, we
would fall into darkness and despair that resembles Bosnia and Kosovo.
Negativity isn't always what it appears to be. Cowardly behavior, avoiding
the truth, ignorance, attachment to trivial, those are the things that I
see as negative.
>>Yes, things like that are just a fraction of bullshit I had a privilege to
>>hear.
>
>Hmmm I am wondering if you need a break too??? I have snipe away much of
>this message for the sake of bandwidth. I noticed that you were getting
>into some negetive thoughts about the US President and what might happen to
>the planet. I am not saying everything is just perfect as we all know it is
>not and we must keep in the reality of things ....which bites I might
>add.....but I think it is important that we attempt at all times to keep our
>thoughts on positve outcomes in events that are taking place. thoughts are
>extremely powerful. This is one of my harder lessons that I am working with
>at all times. As you have seen from my postings I am not always doing so
>well with this.
I have to think about this...
What exactly were the negative thoughts that I expressed? I made a
diagnosis. If you are unable to make a correct estimate of the situation,
because of your fears of it, there is no way that you could do anything
useful about it. So far I didn't hear someone responding to my diagnosis
with something relevant, I just hear objections about the way the diagnosis
sounds. That really sounds encouraging, you can't imagine...
>>The negativity is actually the better way to do things
>>here: you see what things are wrong and then you act to fix it. Simple. If
>>the guys who made cars thought "oh, it will work, this is a good car", you
>>would get Yugo, the guys in Mercedes and BMW are systematically negative:
>>if there is any possibility that something could break down, go wrong etc,
>>they work on it. I think that is the way to approach spiritual matters as
>>well.
>
>I agree to a point. Yes we do have to keep in the reality of things. Lets
>go with the car thought.....yes this car has problems......that is the
>reality.....the positve thought is now what can I do about it? to make it a
>great car? I am not sure if I would work with negetivity....I hope I am
>getting my thought across on this. Acutally the more I think about it I
>think we basically said the same thing....just different ways.
Of course - the goal of the Mercedes engineers is to make a good car. They
_want_ to make a good car, they see how it should work. That's why they are
so merciless in dissecting all the flaws in the prototypes. The prototypes
aren't good enough. They have flaws. The brakes aren't good enough,
steering isn't good enough, the thing will turn over if you go into a 90ºer
at 50km/h. It sucks. So they make better brakes: double, self ventilating
disks on the front and disks on the back, with ABS and BAS systems, they
make four wheel steering system, with computer-controlled differential,
they make a computer-controlled suspension, and other fancy gadgets like
four airbags, active belts etc (yes, they are negative enough to anticipate
your accident).
They could take the prototype, think positive ("it's good, it will work,
people won't crash"), and make instructions for the drivers to drive slowly
and not disturb children and animals, the wheels would go off at 100 km/h
but people aren't supposed to drive that fast anyway. That is why I object
so intensely to the "positive" shit that I encounter all the time.
>>You are sensitive to pranic and astral charge, and that is good, because it
>>opens your eyes so you can see what things really look like, instead of
>>covering them with candy syrup of ignorance. If someone is an asshole you
>>see that from a mile; if someone is great, you see that too.
>>When your eyes open, you are deprived of luxuries such as creating your own
>>realities. You get to see the real one.
>
>You are right about me but there are days I wish I could cover everything
>with candy syrup again!
Fortunately, it doesn't work. :) You see it for what it is, now you have
the responsibility to make choices.
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E-mail : dturinaATnospamgeocities.com
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 12:45:51 -0500
From: ckoATnospamjuno.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Where to from here?
Message-ID: <19980913.124553.-165127.1.ckoATnospamjuno.com>
Hi,
My name is Cheryl. I've been lurking for almost a year and I'm just now
finding the courage to post. I have been following some of the threads
with great interest. Particularly kundalini signs and with great
interest, Mistress Angelique, your posts.
I am a chiropractic student beginning my internship. Go figure! I'm 48
years old decided to change careers -- I wanted to be a chiropractor.
That was a stretch for me because I didn't know how to talk to people.
Had this big inferiority complex. I don't have any problem with the
class work. The problem comes in when I try to think I'm good enough to
help someone. I mean, "just who do I think I am". Anyway, I took an NLP
class and have had great results. My NLP instructor does more than NLP.
She helped me get rid of toxins that have been poisoning me for years.
Somewhere, sometime I must have hooked into the message that what I said
wasn't important, that what I had to offer wasn't important. Jan had me
on her table and was clearing all that stuff away. I started to shake
and move around, moaning and screaming. (not characteristic of past
behavior -- I didn't use to make noise). She told me I was experiencing
kundalini. I had never heard of it. I noticed a few things happening
with energy in my body but nothing I would call extraordinary. I don't
seem to have experiences like most of those reported on the list. So,
I'm wondering if what I experienced was really kundalini?
I have been trying to pay attention to innate and intuition and want to
travel a spiritual path. Mistress Angelique, I've done your grounding
exercise over and over. I do it also when I have to take a lab practical
and it calms me. Still, I feel something is missing. I listen hard for
an inner voice. I listen hard for goddess to talk to me. I listen for
my guardian angel to speak. Am I trying too hard? I don't hear
anything. Silence. I need to know what to do next to get off this
plateau I feel I've landed on. I feel like I'm on the sidelines looking
out while there are those all around me moving on. I am frustrated. Any
suggestions?
Thankyou,
Cheryl
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:12:17 -0800
From: v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Lobster <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
CC: Kundalini - L <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gnu Guru
Message-ID: <35FC0B03.45C3ATnospamptialaska.net>
to me, this is obvious & unspoken inner knowledge; it goes without
saying...so to speak.
all attempts at further logic inherent within are futile!
v
Lobster wrote:
<snip>
> Dear Rik and Kundalites,
> I am illustrating behaviour by attributing it to myself.
>
> This is a free service.
*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^
"The blossom below the water knows not sunlight. And men, not knowing,
will find me hard to understand." - Caine, KUNG FU
Valerie Cooper http://www.geocities/soho/7982/
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:19:14 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: The negative Mercedes :)
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I was just thinking about the paradigm that drives the designers of the
good cars...
so much negative thinking involved. Allow me to illustrate:
Ok, so we want to make a good car. People drive lousy. They will go in
curves too fast, then they will oversteer and crash. If they don't crash,
someone will run in front of their car so they would have to either brake
or dodge. The road is lousy, wet or slippery or both and when they brake,
the wheels will block. Even if they don't block, the driver won't apply the
right braking force. If the driver wants to dodge, the engine won't be
strong enough and the suspension won't be firm enough so the car will lose
balance, go into oversteer then understeer, and then it will turn over or
crash. When you crash, you will hit the steering wheel with your head and
get killed; or you will hit your chest and be killed. Of course you drive
too fast so the car will be crushed and you with it. When you crash, the
seatbelt will break your ribs, but that's better than getting killed. When
you hit someone frontally, you will end up with the engine in your lap, and
if you get hit on the side, the car will look like a hot dog. If you are
hit from behind, your head will jerk beckwards and it will break your neck,
unless there is something behind your head.
OK, so let's begin. When a lousy driver goes in the curve too fast, the
suspension has to react and maintain balance. We'll make a computerized
suspension system that corrects driver's errors. If the driver suddenly
hits brakes, the system must react to produce the maximal braking force,
and supervise the braking on each wheel, hundreds of times per second,
minimum. When the driver makes sudden steering movement, the suspension has
to become harder and turn from family setup to racing setup, so the car
becomes able to perform maneuvers just like the rally cars. If you crash,
something soft must be placed between the passengers and hard objects -
let's make an airbag, and place them everywhere, on all critical points.
The engine must be placed in a manner that will drop it below the car and
away from the passengers. Steel rods must be placed inside the doors to
avoid deformation on impact. Support for the passengers' heads must be
incorporated in the seats to protect them from whiplash; also, the
seatbelts must be designed to tighten instantly on the first clue of
increased g-force; let's make explosive charges that will tighten them. OK.
Now that the thing is designed, it won't work when we put it together so
we'll have to perform several thousands of tests to see how it behaves, and
even then it won't be good enough, so we'll have to make even better cars
in the following years. :)
Now, tell me, who would want to buy a car made like that? ;))) Wouldn't you
all prefer a car where the designers love you, project all their confidence
in you; they know that you are a good driver, that you will drive slowly
and carefully, that you will never crash, or drive on wet slippery roads...
Oh, how positive... :))))
And of course, children will _never_ run in front of you, how could you
even imagine an awful thing like that happening? You have no heart! ;))))))))
Don't buy Mercedes, it's a lousy car! :)))
(boy do I like this stuff! :)))
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 98 14:56:57 CDT
From: eggers <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Where to from here?
Message-Id: <199809131958.OAA28125ATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Dear Cheryl,
Congratulations on finding the courage to post.
If you feel you are looking for a spiritual path, perhaps you should start
to practice some form of meditation. I think on this list you can find
practictioners of every possible form.
It appears we have all come upon the kundalini
through these different paths--maybe finding out which one is for you is a
good next step.
Best to you,
Jill
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 20:25:30 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gently does it...
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>lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com writes:
>
><< However the less I say
> the more eloquent I become
>
>But then that would be for one who wants to become more
eloquent....
> Is that a requirement on this spiritual (ahem!) path?
Eloquence is the Truth spoken perfectly simply.
Be Well
Perfectly Simple Lobster
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:00:24 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Lobby
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>Hi Lobster,
>
>My view is that pretending to be a guru or pretending that you are
not
>a guru is still a deceptive approach. Often the rest of my family
Hi Paul and All Kundalites,
Your view is not something I value (as you know)
This is because your understanding is faulty.
I am not a Guru. I am not a God, Goddess, enlightened, Lobster or
superior to anyone else (though I might make an exception in your
case). However I regularly claim all the above attributes . . . and
just as regularly deny all of them.
(Never trust a Lobster)
>aversion there is still the desire to be watching it. I see a
similar
>thing with you in your efforts to be `of service' and to be
attempting
>to show yourself as egotistical in order that you might be
effective
>as a teacher.
People learn from me (that is their ability) and I learn from them
(that is mine) so there is equality and sharing. You however are too
arrogant to learn anything. So when a while back people told you to
"shut up", you felt it was because they were being unkind. In fact
it is precisely what you needed. Being obsessed with your own
ability
to be and understand spirituality, you exhibit less of these
qualities than anyone I have ever met. You may feel that is unkind -
it may just be descriptive.
<opinions deleted>
>I don't think there is anything [much] wrong with what you are
doing.
You do not have the faculties to judge what I am doing.
>I reject your attempt to be a guru by way of being not a guru, but
I
>find it difficult for this to be effective. In a way it is as
though
>the student has no real say in the matter, no real ability to make
the
>guru be other than what he/she is. Which is interesting. It is as
>though the student has no choice in the way that the guru is, and
so
>there is a surrendering. And I think that's very beautiful, but
maybe
>this too is only an appearance. Hmm. I don't know what I'm saying
>really. Thanks.
You don't know what you are saying.
Really.
Be Well
Really Lobster
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 21:01:10 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Lobby
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>why would you want to *make* Lobster any thing other than what he
is?
Well I for one would. Egotistical, opinionated and convinced of his
own understanding - such people are a menace . . .
>How can anyone *make* anyone anything other than what they are
anyway?
Effort. Personal striving and development . . .
>except by changing your own perception of that person.
I think it important to go by first impressions and stick by them.
My first impression is that everyone else is right and I am wrong.
But of course I could be wrong in this.
>This has been/IS an especially tough lesson for me. In fact, I
take it
>to extrems, I find I want some people, especially loved ones, to BE
a
>certain way, and see only the things I want them to be and overlook
the
>things I am uncomfortable with.
Never! Do you? Well, well . . .
In my case, emulating my excellent behaviour and avoiding my
excesses would be a way forward for everyone - including me . . .
>I suppose that for everyone who doesnt understand Lobsters
*methods*
>there are at least a few who do...
Humph! Methods: never trust anyone who has a method - that's my
method.
Be Well
Lobster
Date: 13 Sep 98 21:46:54 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Lobby
Message-Id: <OUT-35FC3D4E.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> People learn from me (that is their ability) and I learn from them
> (that is mine) so there is equality and sharing. You however are too
> arrogant to learn anything. So when a while back people told you to
> "shut up", you felt it was because they were being unkind. In fact
> it is precisely what you needed. Being obsessed with your own
> ability
> to be and understand spirituality, you exhibit less of these
> qualities than anyone I have ever met. You may feel that is unkind -
> it may just be descriptive.
Regardless of what it is it is not correct. You aught learn to
describe more accurately. I don't know why suddenly you feel the urge
to be offensive at me. There's nothing wrong with me at all.
> You don't know what you are saying.
> Really.
That's a good thing.
--
Paul.
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