1998/09/13 08:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #654
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 654
Today's Topics:
Re: Unconditional Love [ v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Tension [ "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
Gently does it... [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: Gnu Guru [ Rik Wallace <love_rikATnospamyahoo.com> ]
re: your diagnosis and sending me en [ "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com> ]
thinning of the veils [ v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net> ]
Children,... [ Amanda Smith <mswingsATnospammaxinet.com> ]
Re: thinning of the veils [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Re: Gently does it... [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
Re: Gnu Guru [ "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> ]
diagnosis and sending [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Children [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: Children,... [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: Gently does it... [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Lobby [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: Reiki for the USA at this time [ flute <FluteATnospamcreate.org> ]
Children,... [ Jo Ann <pippiATnospammetrolink.net> ]
Re: I don't know how to share this. [ "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:35:37 -0800
From: v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: Kat <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Unconditional Love
Message-ID: <35FAF73C.79E9ATnospamptialaska.net>
good point! whatever the element of *love* is (can it be gauged upon an
oscilliscope or weighed or measured by science?), the very process of
interpretation through the filters of the ego *create* the implied
positionings & situations. Leave love alone for it to thrive by itself!
"Love is a rose but ya better not pick it"... as said Neil!
v
<snip>
> UNCONDTIONAL LOVE simply is. It is that simple. The moment we put a word,
> thought or feeling into describing what it is, we have put a condition on
> it.
<snip>
*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^*^^^
"The blossom below the water knows not sunlight. And men, not knowing,
will find me hard to understand." - Caine, KUNG FU
Valerie Cooper http://www.geocities/soho/7982/
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:28:19 -0400
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Tension
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Hi All,
Just curious about something. Yesterday for no reason I could be sure of I
felt a great deal of pain start up in my left foot in the arch. When I got
up this morning I could hardly walk. As the day went on the pain left the
foot and travel up my back. Right now I am experiencing serious pain in my
back like I have sprained it and tonight I can feel a burning sensation. I
have been very tense the past few days. Could it be the tension doing this
or is it possible the Kundalini is in action and has found a blockage? Opps
I just noticed that it is now rising to what is known as the heart chakra!
and boy talk about hurt burn!
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat.
Date: 13 Sep 98 03:53:12 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Gently does it...
Message-Id: <OUT-35FB41A8.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi folks.
I've been not writing very much just recently as I have just been
taking a break. I have been observing from a distance what's going on
on the list. Sometimes it seems like there's a lot of confusion here,
and there has been a lot of in-fighting lately. I am not entirely sure
that many people are as spiritual or righteous as they make out, and
even though there is always the argument that everbody is eternally
perfect this can be a big ego-deception that some people seem to use
as a licence to conflict.
On a ligher note, however, I have been making some breakthroughs in my
own outlook just recently regarding reliance on appearances. It's a
lovely change not to keep having to ask myself if I'm awake or needing
some knowledge-thing to be sure of this that and the other. It's
gotten to the point where I am so unsure of things that I am becoming
sure of precicely that! The only thing one can be sure of is that you
can't be sure of anything! In that, I think there is a beingness where
you just aren't interested in having self-engrandisment and hogging of
the limelight and needing reassurance. Getting reassurance doesn't
cure it. I am having a new experience of ways of expressing myself
that I never felt before simply because it doesn't matter to me how it
appears. Well, not as much as it used to. In a way it feels like
positive thinking, which I guess is good. I never really thought that
my resourcefulness and creativity was a deceptive thing but
unfortunately it is. But that's okay.
I'm not bothered about the appearance of people having flamewars and
stuff on this list, which I do not own. But somehow this allows me to
see it is going on, and I just wonder if maybe people are bored or
something.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 19:59:06 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rik Wallace <love_rikATnospamyahoo.com>
To: Lobster <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>,
Kundalini - L <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gnu Guru
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---Lobster <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com> wrote:
> As you may know I am a guru
>
> if I swear or behave improperly - its your problem
> if I abuse you in word, deed or through my imperfection
> - its your problem
> You see I accept my imperfection - you being on the receiving end
> Well?
>
> Well . . . that's your problem.
> Now if I am distasteful
> - well that's your problem
> let's face it - you are *always* the problem
> I know what I am going on about
>
> Sincerely
> Gnu Guru Lobster
I have no idea what you're going on about, but frankly
I find your 'tone' quite object-ive. I take a fence to it.
Who's side-dish are you on anyway? You obviously have
a problem with my problem - you are indeed distasteful
but that is nothing that can't be easily cured with
a tub of melted butter and a Samuel Adams... in which case
I've found you barely digestible. I've had it with this
'Lobster' delusion... I would love to drop it, but as
I do not yet know myself, for all I know, you could be
me, as I am often known to be red-faced and crabby.
I am easily confused by others. Since you are the GNU
Guru and therefore know something about free software,
perhaps you can tell me where can I obtain such
sensitive innards as to recognize my delusional nature
and call my bluff? For free of course, as I wouldn't
want to pay for my growth. (or decline.) After all,
if you are really the Guru you say you are, then
are you not enslaved to 'what must be done'? Or is
there an ordinary person behind 'who you say you are -
whom I must hold in highest respect'.
In highest respect,
love_rikATnospamyahoo.com
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 22:05:14 PDT
From: "b bah" <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com>
To: morlightATnospammhonline.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com
Subject: re: your diagnosis and sending me energy
Message-ID: <19980913050514.29683.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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WOW! I think I received your gift. 'have been at the computer for last
2 hrs. Starting around 9 o'clock maybe a little before I had super,super
gentle warm fuzzies in both trap muscles, stronger in right shoulder.
Then they'ed go back to the annoying-tense pain for awhile. Then back
to fuzzies. Right now(10:00pm Pac Daylight time) right muscle is tense
and I just realized i'm clenching my teeth. Well, must mean it's really
time for med & bed.!
'LOHA, BARB
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:50:00 -0800
From: v <madammumATnospamptialaska.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: thinning of the veils
Message-ID: <35FB5D08.78F6ATnospamptialaska.net>
Hi Kundalites,
Because of what is happening around here, I have been driven to
regular meditations. Suddenly it is so easy, sit in a chair, breathe
deeply & rhythmically & ground, channel out those balls of fears &
negative unprocessed external stimuli & thoughtforms, & within minutes,
my mind is gone for up to an hour to be replaced with visions of unknown
places & people. One repeating vision is a hole seen thru a wall of ice,
& on the other side is a raging sea with drifting clouds, like looking
through a peep hole. The meaning of this I can discern, but who are all
these people & what places are these? Why are they appearing to me?
At one point there was like a huge plastizoid machine with three conical
protusions & the vision zoomed way in on it. I had never seen a machine
like this; one would think of perhaps a 'spectra-light therapy machine,
or tanning bed, or huge scanner?
What happens within other people's meditations? Do y'all just see
visions like this, or go to another realm & interact, like in nocturnal
dreaming?
Also - anybody else noticing psychic activities being more pronounced
lately, such as "happy accidents", being "late", but somehow being right
ON TIME, or seemingly frivolous random acts being triggers for a bigger
purpose in various fashions?
What's happenin here???
:)
vc
ps (all that, or shall we discuss some poop about the 'presidential
pee-pee'...*snort!*)
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 01:03:00 -0700
From: Amanda Smith <mswingsATnospammaxinet.com>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Children,...
Message-ID: <35FB7C34.891A05AAATnospammaxinet.com>
Hello fellow adventurers! Can anyone tell me out of curiousity, were
your children affected by your K awakening? Did it ever unbalance them
even though you were experiencing peace? My negative happened when I
did not know about the K. My positive has been happening for almost 3
1/2 years. My daughter is off kilter and I am trying to learn about my
own experience. Can anyone tell me how their kids handled it? Any
ideas about helping a 9 year old? I do not know if this is part of a
norm or not but we can not pin point anything else and I just thought
maybe they are affected indirectly... Thanks, Amanda
P.S. I am new at the K learning so feel free to explain yourselves in
simple terms... I am a rookie be gentle please... ahahaha
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:52:14 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: madammumATnospamptialaska.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: thinning of the veils
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At 21:50 1998.09.12 -0800, v wrote:
>At one point there was like a huge plastizoid machine with three conical
>protusions & the vision zoomed way in on it. I had never seen a machine
>like this; one would think of perhaps a 'spectra-light therapy machine,
>or tanning bed, or huge scanner?
I think you actually have that machine built-in and it's called Kundalini. :))
> Also - anybody else noticing psychic activities being more pronounced
>lately, such as "happy accidents", being "late", but somehow being right
>ON TIME, or seemingly frivolous random acts being triggers for a bigger
>purpose in various fashions?
Oh yeah, and that isn't even half as strange as some other stuff I had
going on recently...
> What's happenin here???
A million $$$ question. :)
>ps (all that, or shall we discuss some poop about the 'presidential
>pee-pee'...*snort!*)
You've got to teach me that lingo. :)))
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Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:00:39 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gently does it...
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>Hi folks.
>
>I've been not writing very much just recently as I have just been
>taking a break. I have been observing from a distance what's going
on
>on the list. Sometimes it seems like there's a lot of confusion
here,
>and there has been a lot of in-fighting lately. I am not entirely
sure
>that many people are as spiritual or righteous as they make out,
and
>even though there is always the argument that everbody is eternally
>perfect this can be a big ego-deception that some people seem to
use
>as a licence to conflict.
I am very spiritual and righteous.
I am not confused.
I am not even perfect.
However the less I say
the more eloquent I become
<usual ego drivel deleted>
Be Well
Lobster
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:04:32 +0100
From: "Lobster" <lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com>
To: "Kundalini - L" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Gnu Guru
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>> Well . . . that's your problem.
>> Now if I am distasteful
>> - well that's your problem
>> let's face it - you are *always* the problem
>> I know what I am going on about
>>
>> Sincerely
>> Gnu Guru Lobster
>I have no idea what you're going on about, but frankly
Dear Rik and Kundalites,
I am illustrating behaviour by attributing it to myself.
This is a free service.
Be Well
Clueless Lobster
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 06:20:38 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: diagnosis and sending
Message-ID: <35FB6436.619C7251ATnospammhonline.net>
Barb,
> WOW! I think I received your gift."
Happy you recieved His gift. Get that massage I spoke of? It's
important.
Blessings of more Light,warm fuzzies,and white lightworking thoughts
etc.
+ Maureen
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 06:12:21 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Children
Message-ID: <35FB6245.CE195033ATnospammhonline.net>
Amanda,
I raised two girls through the K- experience and was ordained.Not
choosing to take the term "Father" before my name I chose "Mother" and
joked with them that now they had to call me Mother Mom.It can be
wonderful and hairy. If you wish,contact me privately.
More Light.
+ Maureen
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 06:07:09 -0600
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: Amanda Smith <mswingsATnospammaxinet.com>, kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Children,...
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Amanda Smith wrote:
> were your children affected by your K awakening? Can anyone tell me
> how their kids handled it? Any ideas about helping a 9 year old?
Hi Amanda,
My daughter just turned 11. The best I can determine, this awakening
process for me has been going on since about 1990, when she was 3.
Looking at it objectivly, my experience has been easier than some. I
haven't had many physical symptoms (arthritis [which disappeared], some
"sinus" headaches, sweats and back problems). The most difficult time came
when her dad left and we had to move. It was a very trying time for both
of us.
Before my ex left, I always felt stiffled in expressing my thoughts and
views on spiritual issues. Once he left, I was able to open up and have
in-depth conversations with my daughter. She and I discuss dreams,
soulmates, psychic experiences, kundalini, reincarnation, auras. We both
know we are both more aware than most people and are thankful that we have
each other. I recently had the thought that her dad had to leave because
of her. Perhaps she needed me to freely discuss these spiritual views with
her so she never has to go through the doubt of trusting her knowing.
My suggestion to you would be to open up to your child. Express your
thoughts and feelings (as is appropriate for the age). You might be amazed
at how advanced your little darling is! I was shocked when my daughter
started talking about colors around people.
Hope that's helpful.
Nancy
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:03:07 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Gently does it...
Message-ID: <7dfc7b09.35fbc28bATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 9/13/98 5:58:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com writes:
<< However the less I say
the more eloquent I become
But then that would be for one who wants to become more eloquent....
Is that a requirement on this spiritual (ahem!) path?
<usual ego drivel deleted
(mine too)
Now I'm eloquent,
xxxtg
* Ego Drivel Forthcoming *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html
Date: 13 Sep 98 14:59:32 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Lobby
Message-Id: <OUT-35FBDDD4.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Hi Lobster,
My view is that pretending to be a guru or pretending that you are not
a guru is still a deceptive approach. Often the rest of my family
watches television programs and they go on and on about how awful the
program is and how badly the people are acting and how there are
losses of continuity. It's the same every time the shows come on. And
yet, time and time again they find themselves sitting there as
viewers. They may be exhibiting behaviours that have the appearance of
not being interested and of thinking the show is awful but within that
aversion there is still the desire to be watching it. I see a similar
thing with you in your efforts to be `of service' and to be attempting
to show yourself as egotistical in order that you might be effective
as a teacher.
Now, on the one hand I admit that it is often very deceptive when a
person is wrapped up in appearances, such that there has to be a `way'
of doing things or a method or a plan or a /style/ how the thing is
done. But on the other hand there can be a kind of person that uses
deceptive deceptions in an attempt to be in some way `spiritually
effective'. Making people's confusion confusion doesn't necessarily
bring the nature of the confusion to light. Although it is true that
seeing the confusion for what it is will mean simply observing
something that just doesn't make sense, I am not so sure that
/emulating/ that nonsense is necessarily helpful. If I were trapped in
appearances I would be constantly looking for the appearance of being
freed from appearances. It wouldn't be forthcoming, of course. Then
you come along and give the person the appearance of confusion,
carefully crafted to in a sense /aim/ the persons deceptions in a
direction that they might at least, by chance, wriggle their way free
of the illusions.
I don't think there is anything [much] wrong with what you are doing.
I reject your attempt to be a guru by way of being not a guru, but I
find it difficult for this to be effective. In a way it is as though
the student has no real say in the matter, no real ability to make the
guru be other than what he/she is. Which is interesting. It is as
though the student has no choice in the way that the guru is, and so
there is a surrendering. And I think that's very beautiful, but maybe
this too is only an appearance. Hmm. I don't know what I'm saying
really. Thanks.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 09:02:51 -0500
From: flute <FluteATnospamcreate.org>
To: MRS LAURA W KRIEGER <UXGA95AATnospamprodigy.com>
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Reiki for the USA at this time
Message-ID: <35FBD08B.3795ATnospamcreate.org>
MRS LAURA W KRIEGER wrote:
Dear Flute,
Regardless of people's political persuasion, this country...the
United States of America, the Office of the Presidency, the members
of Congress, all those involved in the Starr report, and Americans at
large need a full dose of Reiki Light and Love Harmony, Healing and
Guidance, at this time.
It is on an occasion just as inflammatory, distasteful, and confusing
as this one, regarding Clinton, Lewinsky, Starr, etc., that Reiki,
Meditation and Inner Wisdom is needed to keep us all rooted, centered,
and connected to Universal Source. Otherwise, we become
sanctimonious, and, like feathers in the wind, confused and
vulnerable to external forces.
May Ancient Wisdom help each of us to remain quiet enough to hear our
own Inner Guiding Voices.
May the sensationalism of the profit-mongerers, on all sides, stay
outside our Sacred Space.
May Bill Clinton, his family, and all concerned, be healed,
regardless of our personal opinions and of whatever political
results ensue.
And may the incredible goal the American forefathers had of creating
government "of the people, by the people, and for the people" retain
its sacred and noble destiny.
Thanks.
Elchai/Laura
____
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Healing Energies Abound Lifelong.
Laura/Elchai's Website:
Elchai's Herbal Remedies & Lore
www.create.org/elchai/herbs.htm
--
flute
http://www.create.org/healingarts
"The same stream of life that runs through my veins night and day runs
through the world and dances in rhythmic measures." R. Tagore
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 10:32:24 -0700
From: Jo Ann <pippiATnospammetrolink.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Children,...
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Dear Love
All I Am effects all i see
All is a manifestations of my thoughts...my feelings
As I reap is as I sow
That IS ALL
In Devotion to Love
I AM
Jo Ann/Ananda
*****************
ello fellow adventurers! Can anyone tell me out of curiousity, were
your children affected by your K awakening? Did it ever unbalance them
even though you were experiencing peace? My negative happened when I
did not know about the K. My positive has been happening for almost 3
1/2 years. My daughter is off kilter and I am trying to learn about my
own experience. Can anyone tell me how their kids handled it? Any
ideas about helping a 9 year old? I do not know if this is part of a
norm or not but we can not pin point anything else and I just thought
maybe they are affected indirectly... Thanks, Amanda
P.S. I am new at the K learning so feel free to explain yourselves in
simple terms... I am a rookie be gentle please... ahahaha
Date: Sun, 13 Sep 1998 11:21:41 -0400
From: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, "Danijel Turina" <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
Subject: Re: I don't know how to share this.
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Hi Dturina,
First let me thank you for the time that you took to respond to my message
and I am sorry that it has taken me this long to respond.
>This is a serious problem, yes. I think that this feeling depends a lot on
>one's spiritual maturity. I believe that most people feel when they do
>something disharmonic, but they are, as I like to say, too fucked up to
>notice the feeling. They feel pain, but it is likely that they will explain
>it completely wrong: for instance, someone blames you for hurting them, it
>is of course crap, and they feel bad (because of saying that to you) but
>they explain it like "you see how she hurt me, I'm in pain".
Unfortuntly these are the kind of people that I was brought up by and
surrounded by. When you grow with this type of atmosphere around you , you
find different ways to survive it. I pretty well learnt to put very solid
walls around myself. Unfortuntly because of the Kundalini these walls are
tumbling down now and giving me lots of trouble as they fall. This is where
I learnt the emotion quilt. Its a very strong emotion and not an easy one
to toss away. However the lesson I learnt being around these people was a
good one in the long run. I learnt what I did not want to be like. It was
only as I got a lot older that I came across anyone that I could choose as a
role model. Then the role model fell down. Because of other people's lack
of compassion I taught myself how to be compassionate. This brought about
my ability to feel what other people feel. The only problem is I am having
some trouble reflecting the negetive emotions. The past year has been good
for me as I have been on lists where I am learning what to do about this.
This past week in general has been hell on wheels for me but it was with
very important lessons for me to learn. One lesson I will share. I needed
to learn that when I am experiencing someone elses negetive emotions that I
do not take it personnely and that I do not let it become a part of me. I
was to learn not to allow it to cause a quilt in me that does not belong
there and if for any reason it does; I am too find the cause for it, as it
might be a lesson for me to learn about the darker side of myself that is
ready to be filled with light. The reality is I do have a dark side. The
truth is that with this knowledge I can shed light on it.
People are
>mostly idiots and semi-animals, very unlike the image some "lightworkers"
>want to create, that this state is actually perfection, or even that they
>are more advanced because they are able to manifest negativity freely (!!).
Sorry but I have a different view on people and a great deal higher respect
for animals. I however understand the point you are making.
>Yes, things like that are just a fraction of bullshit I had a privilege to
>hear.
Hmmm I am wondering if you need a break too??? I have snipe away much of
this message for the sake of bandwidth. I noticed that you were getting
into some negetive thoughts about the US President and what might happen to
the planet. I am not saying everything is just perfect as we all know it is
not and we must keep in the reality of things ....which bites I might
add.....but I think it is important that we attempt at all times to keep our
thoughts on positve outcomes in events that are taking place. thoughts are
extremely powerful. This is one of my harder lessons that I am working with
at all times. As you have seen from my postings I am not always doing so
well with this.
The negativity is actually the better way to do things
>here: you see what things are wrong and then you act to fix it. Simple. If
>the guys who made cars thought "oh, it will work, this is a good car", you
>would get Yugo, the guys in Mercedes and BMW are systematically negative:
>if there is any possibility that something could break down, go wrong etc,
>they work on it. I think that is the way to approach spiritual matters as
>well.
I agree to a point. Yes we do have to keep in the reality of things. Lets
go with the car thought.....yes this car has problems......that is the
reality.....the positve thought is now what can I do about it? to make it a
great car? I am not sure if I would work with negetivity....I hope I am
getting my thought across on this. Acutally the more I think about it I
think we basically said the same thing....just different ways.
>You are sensitive to pranic and astral charge, and that is good, because it
>opens your eyes so you can see what things really look like, instead of
>covering them with candy syrup of ignorance. If someone is an asshole you
>see that from a mile; if someone is great, you see that too.
>When your eyes open, you are deprived of luxuries such as creating your own
>realities. You get to see the real one.
You are right about me but there are days I wish I could cover everything
with candy syrup again! Seeing and feeling reality can truly bite! but it
is a blessing in disguise. I am learning that this is where I have to make
some changes in myself. I have to look at reality and then have a much more
positive prespective on it instead of allowing the negetive prespective of
the sitution to get the better of me. It does not change the reality but it
changes the way that I will react to it. I hope I am not sounding like a
new ager.....I am just trying to get to the guts of the matter.
In L&L & Understanding,
Kat
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