1998/09/12 15:39
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #653
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 653
Today's Topics: Who, ME?? (Harsha) [ Rik Wallace ]
Re: Reject These 'Words' (was 'Rejec [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ] Re: Special K [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
unsubscribe [ Dave08812ATnospamaol.com ] Gnu Guru [ "Lobster" ]
My last post [ "Kat" ] offensiveness [ Barbara Alexander ]
Re: offensiveness [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ] Rev. or not [ Maureen Heffernan ]
Re: Rev. or not [ "RevDL.K.RM" ] Re: Rev. or not [ Danijel Turina ]
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:02:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Rik Wallace
To: Danijel Turina , hlutharATnospambryant.edu Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Who, ME?? (Harsha) Message-ID:
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> Harsha: Hi Rik, your posts are hilarious. I am especially > impressed with your intuition (for when you need to get
> milk) and your ability to overcome long distances and > communicate with people (by the use of telephone).
I would not be so quick to be impressed... it's much less
painful when done slowly, although the Karmic Imprint does take much longer to wash out with ordinary water.
'Holy water' is claimed to work, but do not attempt to cleanse one's chakras in it, without first disconnecting all
electrical appliances, such as your brain.
> Carry on young man. Sharpen that awareness. Why > bother poor Danijel and ask him "Who? Who?" He is no
> match for you O'Wise One.
It appears you have mistaken me for my Irish master, who frequents pubs under the spirit name 'Guinness'.
He is quite literally everywhere, or nearly so, and is adept at altering states. His essence has been
likened to the mythical Nectra'th'Goots, tho a bit more bitter in his old age.
As for my new Master Danijel-san (stop laughing - I'm
serious!) I ask him "WHO ARE YOU, DANIJEL? WHO?" b/c who else could know the answer? I tease him because
[remembering my Mom's explanation from 2nd grade...] because I LIKE him!! Is he not the perfect Zen Master?
1) He has no real knowledge beyond his fantasies 2) But he can make up convincing 'instructive' B.S.
3) He's an anti-social punk and joke-meister, and 4) He's a dominant, which really gets me excited!
I'm sure he must be equally excited to have a new follower, especially one with a recommendation from Harsha! I only
hope he will find me worthy of that irreverent tongue- lashing that really sets him apart from the other Gurus
who are so busy Being One somewhere.
[I really am serious, you know. Why would I waste my life writing long emails to him if he didn't inspire me to
write long emails to him? Whether or not it's "Divine" Inspiration... well... I'm still waiting for him to
answer my question! ]
>By the way, have you shared with the list your background?
ooh, you are a sneak Harsha. Nice turnaround. Now the WHO-ray's are focused on me... :)
'" WHO AM *I*... You ask? "' *CHEEZE!*
[* Yeah, focused on my big stupid ego. DOH! note to self:
"Work on this 'memory' thing!!!" ... Dang, and I left my I.D. in the Void, so that's no help... I could throw
the usual schpiel: "I AM of the Ages... I sprang from the head of Zeus... I played Jesus Christ Superstar before
Donny Osmond was even born..." but they wouldn't recognize the Truth if they stepped in it...... AH! That's it!]
While consulting my intuition about what My Master Danijel
would do do do, I was reminded of 'The Sacred Cow'. Could it be that the greatest thing I can offer is my
"H.T.T.Bull Shit"? So here is one of my favorite stories... I know it leaks water like a sieve, but that is precisely
because it is Holy:
I was born... Son of Byford, Brother of Al. Betty's my Mamma, and Run's my Pal...
[oops!... put the tape in backwards. Run-DMC. :D]
Here we go: Middle of the tape... Let's listen and learn ...
"I was first trained by a tantric 'high-magician' (that's what he called himself) who goes by the spirit-name of
David Cop-a-feel... a typical session with him would go something like this:
'As you notice the color change from an Indigo to a Deeper violet attracting your STILL
higher...until you can see clearly the point at the very ^tiptop^ overflowing with a {warm warm}
stream that seems to have been an everpresent flowwwww thru your spine exiting that wonderful point at the
top that you watch so lovingly that it feels as if ...hands... perhaps the hands of Shiva... were cupping,
stroking the outsides of your nipples thru that universe in the sky and sucking the nectar from your voluptuous \
\\\\\\\\\\\ [wait, what the hell... this ain't MY script!? Who gave
me this smut?!... Dang practical jokers... actors think they're such smart-asses, sheesh! "Were we rolling on
that one?".... no I really didn't wanna hear that... HEY, who let that Inquirer guy in here?! Get him out -
this is supposed to be a private set!! Screw this, I'll be in my trailer... And SOMEBODY - Find me the right
script!!!] ...............
*smile*
Didja like that one? :) Here's another good gimmick that'll allow you to thoroughly alienate yourself
from society as a possibly psychopathic Zen Master.
"I'm just a writer and I make this stuff up. I have no experience with anything whatsoever,
but I can spin an entertaining tale and use clever intricate phrasing to make people think my words
have more than one meaning, or even several, mimicking the yin/yang nature of reality,
and creating subliminal sexual symbolism."
In order to keep people out of your business, it's a nice touch to add:
"... but don't worry about poor old me, for I am
nothing. YOU on the other hand... Wow! Tell me about yourself! WHO ARE YOU?"
Also, always find a way to agree with even the most
abusive person, because 1) they are always right as far as they know 2) they are always right as far
as YOU know 3) they may be a higher power in disguise as a stupid person, and you don't want to piss them off,
and 4) you love them (remember?) because for all you know, they might be YOU in disguise.
...........................................................
DISCLAIMER: Of course, the above is pure fiction, and I don't
actually advocate that anyone practice such amorality without Genuine Divine Guidance. I have no idea
where you get such a thing, but I've heard it's been banned in the States by the DEA and must be obtained
overseas. Guessing by Danijel's email address, perhaps he has some contacts?
..........................................................
So.... Harsha, how was your day?? *smile*
love_rikATnospamyahoo.com
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From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com To: rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Reject These 'Words' (was 'Rejection')
Message-ID:
In a message dated 9/12/98 4:31:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time, love_rikATnospamyahoo.com writes:
< Another insightful post teeegeee... but as for the rest of
the words below, they're Arguable Nonsense, and readers may wish to "reject" them from their VCRs immediately, b/c
these words have deep personal meaning only to their creator
Grabbing a rope to wrangle you and bring you down back to earth a wee bit....
Hate puzzles, Loves Mysteries, Loves Rik xxxtg
* We would not take a voyage for the sole pleasure of seeing,
without hope of ever telling *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:06:28 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com To: lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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In a message dated 9/12/98 1:36:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
lobsterATnospamdial.pipex.com writes:
< Let's Pretend.
Ok. Love games, mystery, lobster and sushi.
>Let's pretend that I (not you but I) am a spiritual person.
Oh wow, this will be very difficult, but ok - ommmmmm - you are now a spiritual person.
>I will tell you of the things I can do. The things I can see and
experience. I'll even believe what I am saying to give it all more impact.
Damn, you are good at this game.
> Let's pretend that I am so knowledgeable that I (and only I can do
this) have to invent new words to explain the profundity of who and what I am.
Pretending you are so knowledgeable - yes, got it. And those were some good
words you came up with! Kudos!
>Now I know you want to believe me, because I know how much I believe such things.
Because you forgot you were pretending?.... or to get into the game a bit
better?
>We could pretend. Or we could realise we are that big ego, that complete fraud
Or we could realize that it is all just a game and just play, pretend and have
fun.... You are just getting waaaaay too serious here - where oh where is our fun-filled and yummy Lobster?..... This reminds me of this 20ish year old kid
that would come into the Magic Shop I worked at and said, as we were performing magic tricks, "I know how that one works! and proceeded to tell
everyone. Boo, hiss....
>Lobster > (Don't try this at home kundalites - people might laugh)
Will be over shortly to play.
Now that you've reminded us it is all just Magic and isn't real, you feel
better now? Maybe you want us to place a "disclaimer" after each post that what we are saying really isn't real?
Love Lobster, doing magic tricks, and telling the magician I know what tricks
he is up to sometimes, xxxtg
* Show me a man with both feet firmly on the ground,
and I will show you a man who can't get his pants off *
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:10:43 EDT From: Dave08812ATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: unsubscribe
Message-ID:
I'm using another ISP with a different mail address. AOL's mail features aren't too good.
Best wishes,
Dave Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:31:37 +0100
From: "Lobster" To: "Kundalini - L"
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The Gnu Guru,
As you may know I am a guru
if I swear or behave improperly - its your problem if I abuse you in word, deed or through my imperfection
- its your problem You see I accept my imperfection - you being on the receiving end
Well?
Well . . . that's your problem. Now if I am distasteful
- well that's your problem let's face it - you are *always* the problem
I know what I am going on about
Sincerely Gnu Guru Lobster
*Disclaimer*: Any similarities to the hilarious attempts at spirituality proposed
by the deluded are . . . their problem.
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------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:27:01 -0400
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Hi All,
I have seen many of the wonderful replies that I have recieved from the list and I do intend to reply to them but for some reason I am unable to today.
It is like my mind has gone on stand by :-)
I cannot think today and for some reason I am unable to feel anything either. The postings have been of great help to me. Perhaps I am still
digesting what is being said to me? or I might be digesting something deep inside of me that has not come to my consious mind as of yet. I really have
no idea what is happening. I just wanted everyone to know that I am okay and that I have read the replies and that I will be replying soon.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 12:46:25 -0400 From: Barbara Alexander
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" Subject: offensiveness
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"You make yourself and others suffer just as much when you take offense as when you give offense."
Handbook to Higher Consciousness Ken Keys Jr. Is this true?
I think that my age is really showing on this one.
Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 14:27:18 -0700 From: "RevDL.K.RM"
To: , "Kundalini" , "Danijel Turina"
Subject: Re: I don't know how to share this Message-ID:
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Thank you Danijel,for clearing that up ! Denise -----Original Message-----
From: Danijel Turina To: morlightATnospammhonline.net ; Kundalini
Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 5:08 AM
Subject: Re: I don't know how to share this
>At 07:52 1998.09.12 +0000, Maureen Heffernan wrote:
>>Rev or not, I object. Please expand the vernacular so one doesn't read >>the f word or about Monica + Bill, or holes etc. , or more of the f's.
>>IT's just rather difficult shifting from crown spinning letters to that. >>Maybe just put an x or a w for warning in the subject header.Your
>>entitled ,I know, but you also are entitled to appreciate me showing my >>grandchildern how to read letters and do e-mail.
>>Rev or not, grandchilden or not, thank you for being creative. >>More Light.
> >If you spent more time in actually reading the messages, instead of
>spinning your crown in high skies filled with more light, you would be able >to address your objections to the right address; AFAIK Denise didn't write
>the message filled with ugly, non-spiritual words like fuck, suck, dick, or >Bill and Monica, it was me, and if being spiritual means blaming someone
>(the first target, probably chosen on instinct or whatever) for something >that awakens your repressed negativity, then indeed fuck that kind of
>spirituality. >Very nice fuck, Danijel.
>;> >
>----- >E-mail : dturinaATnospamgeocities.com
>Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377 >
> Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:26:07 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com To: nickynoodleATnospamnetrax.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: offensiveness Message-ID:
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In a message dated 9/12/98 12:51:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
nickynoodleATnospamnetrax.net writes:
< "You make yourself and others suffer just as much when you take offense as when you give offense."
Handbook to Higher Consciousness Ken Keys Jr. Is this true?
I had a problem understanding this one too. What I've come to understand so far is that when someone says we are bad or 'guilty' of something and we get
'offended', is in fact our guilt being projected outwards to ''I'm not guilty of thinking that about me... YOU are!"
Then to 'believe' in the illusion of guilt you are seeing and have projected
outside of yourself, is to believe in your own illusions of being "bad". To take offense of what is being said, is to believe in your own guilt.
"In my defenselessness my safety lies"..... Is recognizing what is not real
'out there' that I have projected, and to know I need not defend what is not real, but to only love their errors, which is our errors. In that, lies true
forgiveness. You don't have to be offended, nor defend. Just love.
By continuing to make them 'guilty' and being offended and replying in offense or defense, is to continue to hurt yourself and them. BUT to give them what
you really want, which is stopping this never-ending guilt, is to give them a gift of Love - to see them as yourSelf. This not only releases them, but it
releases your own guilt. You can only but win.
Maybe someone can explain this more simply! or correct my interpretation!
Love, xxxtg
* It's easy to forgive those that do exactly what you want them to do *
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:42:17 +0000 From: Maureen Heffernan
To: Kundalini Subject: Rev. or not
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> Thank you Danijel,for clearing that up ! Denise" Dear Rev. Denise,
Perhaps Danny should have not been so quici to jump on that. I am an ordained priest. Rev. or not refers to myself. My objection was
not just as a rev, but as a person and also a grandmother. >>Rev or not, I object. Please expand the vernacular so one doesn't read
>>the f word or about Monica + Bill, or holes etc. , or more of the f's. >From one Rev. to another Rev.,
Sorry you thought that was directed at you Denise. It certainly was not. More Light.
+ Maureen Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:40:15 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rik Wallace To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: WHERE? :) (tgxxx)
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. . (_) . . * . .
* . * ' ATnospam / * .. . ; ` . ! . + .. | ` * . . ATnospam * . +
_m_ / \ O _/
(xxx tg)
> Grabbing a rope to wrangle you and bring you down back to earth a wee bit [...] Loves Mysteries, Loves Rik
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Date: Fri, 11 Sep 1998 15:04:38 -0700 From: "RevDL.K.RM"
To: , "Kundalini" Subject: Re: Rev. or not
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Thanks Rev I understand, Rev Denise
-----Original Message----- From: Maureen Heffernan
To: Kundalini Date: Saturday, September 12, 1998 11:45 AM
Subject: Rev. or not
>> Thank you Danijel,for clearing that up ! Denise"
>Dear Rev. Denise, >Perhaps Danny should have not been so quick to jump on that.
>I am an ordained priest. Rev. or not refers to myself. My objection was >not just as a rev, but as a person and also a grandmother.
>>>Rev or not, I object. Please expand the vernacular so one doesn't read >>>the f word or about Monica + Bill, or holes etc. , or more of the f's.
>>From one Rev. to another Rev., >Sorry you thought that was directed at you Denise. It certainly was not.
>More Light. >+ Maureen
> >
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:26:02 +0200 From: Danijel Turina
To: morlightATnospammhonline.net, Kundalini Subject: Re: Rev. or not
Message-Id:
At 14:42 1998.09.12 +0000, Maureen Heffernan wrote:
>> Thank you Danijel,for clearing that up ! Denise" >Dear Rev. Denise,
>Perhaps Danny should have not been so quick to jump on that. >I am an ordained priest. Rev. or not refers to myself. My objection was
>not just as a rev, but as a person and also a grandmother.
Well, sorry about the misunderstanding, but my reply was not really that much pointed at the mixed identity part, but more on the "love and light
and don't say that naughty word because it is not white and fluffy and polite and good girls don't say that" part (which usually manages to piss
me off). True, I thought that you had a mistaken identity problem, but you really could address the thing to me...
-----
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 21:28:01 +0200 From: Danijel Turina
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com, nickynoodleATnospamnetrax.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: offensiveness
Message-Id:
At 14:26 1998.09.12 EDT, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 9/12/98 12:51:39 PM Eastern Daylight Time, >nickynoodleATnospamnetrax.net writes:
> >< "You make yourself and others suffer just as much when you take offense
> as when you give offense." > Handbook to Higher Consciousness Ken Keys Jr.
> Is this true? >
> >I had a problem understanding this one too. What I've come to understand so
>far is that when someone says we are bad or 'guilty' of something and we get >'offended', is in fact our guilt being projected outwards to ''I'm not guilty
>of thinking that about me... YOU are!"
Maybe it is like with judgments - if you don't want to get them, don't give them to others... Where the judgment is the unwanted part, not
giving/taking... Just a thought.
----- E-mail : dturinaATnospamgeocities.com
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377 Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:48:42 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan To: Kundalini
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Dan,
> True, I thought that you had a mistaken identity problem, but you > really could address the thing to me...
Okay, next time I will. More Light to you.
+ Maureen
(oh yeah, that's not a plus sign in front of my name) Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:39:07 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com To: rik_wATnospamrocketmail.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: WHERE? :) (tgxxx)
Message-ID:
In a message dated 9/12/98 2:47:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time, love_rikATnospamyahoo.com writes:
{ I'm down 'ere!! }
Oh! Glad you pointed the way..... this as above, so below, is getting rather
confusing these days...
> Hey, like, ya s'pose this is a 'metaphor' er sumthin' ay?
Ay, I've never metaphor... whats 'e like mate?
>Did you guess?
Guessing is all I have right now while I remain a blonde......
Yeeeeeehawwww, xxxtg
* Now back to our show "Understanding Your Kundalini",
after this station identification break *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 13:51:16 PDT
From: "guy johnson" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I don't know how to share this. Message-ID:
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Dear danijel, you wrote:
>mostly idiots and semi-animals
and here you reveal you're lack of love for the perfection of all which nature has created (including yourself). For truly, animals and children
are our greatest teachers, having no way way to show themselves but through their love... and as you go on to say:
If someone is an asshole you
>see that from a mile;
:)
in light and with love to you, katrina
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:01:50 -0700 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: "b bah" Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: digests?? Re: message to Angelique Message-Id:
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My domain name died and was reborn, too...earlier this week... kind of amazing it didn't take the list down with it.. I got some 1500k bounce
files. Eudora hasn't been quite the same since... after that it wiped out 3000+ messages from my outbox.. which kinda frees me from "unfinished
business" but trashes my personal archives.. . Anyone who is expecting a post from me, had best send it again..
I'd like it if somebody could send me the digests I'm missing.. #643, 644, 645.
At 10:54 PM 11/09/98 PDT, b bah wrote:
> Hi, > Have you put a filter on your ATnospamdomin8rex.com mailbox? Every message I
>send to you says"HI.This is the qmail-send program......"This is a >permanent error..
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: On perfection and being fucked up, both :)
Message-ID:
who are you to judge what is ideal?
who are they? (could it be women?!?) and as rik so aptly asked, if they is out there, who are you???
with more light, as maureen would say, katrina
you twisted my statement to include:
" the goal is to accept and integrate instead of improve," and I respond: improvement is a judgement, for who can know another's
growth unless walking in his/her shoes? You prove a point that my partner would apply: it is possible to have the power of k without
having the female balance to allow one to impart it with love.
you state: they start screaming bloody murder. and I state: and why does that bother you? who is they?
you state: Every situation is perfect if you grow from it. and I state: and you may need to repeat that growth several lifetimes
before you get it... surrendering is difficult if you hold your female attributes at bay.
with all the love and light I have , katrina
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 17:15:04 -0400 From: "Kat"
To: Subject: Unconditional Love
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Hi All,
I would like to share a thought that came to me quite a while back. I am
not sure if I shared it on this list. The reason that today I am aware of this thought again is that this is what I am dealing with at the moment.
Truly understanding these words and putting them into action.
UNCONDTIONAL LOVE simply is. It is that simple. The moment we put a word, thought or feeling into describing what it is, we have put a condition on
it.
Of course there are other things I am dealing with at the moment but this
seemed to important to keep to myself.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
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