1998/09/12 07:02
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #652
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 652
Today's Topics:
Reject These 'Words' (was 'Rejection [ Rik Wallace <love_rikATnospamyahoo.com> ]
On perfection and being fucked up, b [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Re: Excessive body heat prob [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Re: I don't know how to share this. [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Re: Excessive body heat prob [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
anger, kids, babbling, story [ "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl> ]
Re: Temperature [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.i ]
I don't know how to share this [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: Losing me [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: I don't know how to share this [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
[Fwd: Your diagnosis/pinched nerves] [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
I Know how to share this [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: I Know how to share this [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Re: Excessive body heat prob [ "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.c ]
Re: On perfection and being fucked u [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Re: I don't know how to share this. [ "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.c ]
Re: Losing me [ hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Ba ]
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 01:31:45 -0700 (PDT)
From: Rik Wallace <love_rikATnospamyahoo.com>
To: mrtn74aATnospamProdigy.Com, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Reject These 'Words' (was 'Rejection')
Message-ID: <19980912083145.4362.rocketmailATnospamsend103.yahoomail.com>
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---ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com wrote:
> The key is *unlearning* what we think we know, so that
> the Truth will set us free -- The ol' chipping away
> method.
>
> What I needed to unlearn was the meaning, the value,
> I placed on words spoken. We have all placed a value on
> them - they can be kind, they can be mean and hurtful --
> all these thing we have valued can be harmful indeed!
>
> But words cannot hurt you in Truth.
Another insightful post teeegeee... but as for the rest of
the words below, they're Arguable Nonsense, and readers
may wish to "reject" them from their VCRs immediately, b/c
these words have deep personal meaning only to their creator
... unless... YOU are also someone who, like me, likes
puzzles and mysteries (Do you like puzzles and mysteries?)
and you, like me, love to discover deep personal meanings
in random beauty and Chaos that is God and Nature ...
(tho not THIS post because it is just imaginary bytes typed
by 10,000 monkeys for all you know, and thus means about as
much as this: JKh :A;;asijdhas988 9 86 \ m897t hi* 76567
*8hg jkko p iUYo yUIy o itrtyujk i 0w89n asla0 ()0ma0 97
aosi 0 a90s99 JASNNIOWA;aslox()AkxpAkx995qlaseSA_)Q- I am
reminded of when I was up a few days late for bedtime
"chipping away" on sleep, and while rereading this email I begin to
have the goofiest hallucinations... that letters
and w-O-r-D-S are cOming aLiVE!, scrambling to 'hurt me'
with left <jabs>, uppercut$, and a fe\w dodging and ducking,
and I'm like... "wow"... \'low blows',
... "Windows is really buggin' out on me this time!", so I
reinstall the previous alpha.beta, w/o the CD enhancement,
and now, whew!
the letters are flat and well-behaved as I like 'em.
:) pretty silly, eh? Even funnier...
While I giggled at the 'hurtful words' (they really
ARE silly, *GRRRR* <mekking Vewwy-Meen-Wooking Faishes> )
on screen, like the name of the author - "HEY! (ROTFL!) :D
That was cooler than HTML-Mail! I'm really curious, How
did I make those words look so terribly reel and nasty??", I want to
ask when the film ended
my fears of writing smiling :) funny words in windows on
a screen personal-ized just for affect
affect me and only my curious curiosity about
'How can I do that?' with just measly words have their
own life indeed - watch them closely when you write
can you make them do pHuNnY tHinGgs? in the window
window to your own solo #Game Board# that's your mind
how do the letters move <----around-> by kundalini?
by telepathy between them between us are they are We
REALLY c o m m u n i ca t i ng
more than _ _ just
'words' ATnospamATnospam
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:37:04 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: On perfection and being fucked up, both :)
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At 16:40 1998.09.11 PDT, guy johnson wrote:
>>OK, so basically you are saying that if someone rapes and kills a
>child,
>>that person is perfect and exactly as he should be? :) Come on, give me
>a
>>break. I'm talking about that sort of stuff, and you are talking about
>>something completely different. By my definition, if you have a desire
>to
>>kill someone and drink his blood, you have a problem. :)))
>
>danijel: yes, as I have come to accept that the sexual abuse from my
>father was critical, and a thing I accepted at birth, (knowing then that
>I needed to experience that absolute dismissal of my power and right to
>even exist),
Interesting. :) Again I have the impression that you are seriously
confusing things... let's analyze, OK?
1) we have some sort of a learning playground called Earth
2) those who go to play here basically have some sort of a problem they
want to work out, or it's unlikely that they would have to face serious issues
3) the term "fucked up" just pops in my mind re:2 :))
4) you resonate with a situation that will be optimal for you to
face&handle stuff
What you are saying, is that you are fucked up and you're handling it. :)
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 09:31:10 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Excessive body heat prob
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At 16:31 1998.09.11 PDT, guy johnson wrote:
>Danijel wrote:
>>I'm sorry if it sounds pretty disorganized, I'm still trying to make a
>>clear system, but not there yet... :)
>
>katrina & guy ask:
>why not simply surrender to the clear system which already exists?
I was actually talking about a mental system of explaining things, and if
you have a good one to offer, I'm all ears. ;)
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 10:03:36 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: I don't know how to share this.
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Hi Kat! :)
At 21:10 1998.09.11 -0400, Kat wrote:
>understand how anyone can purposely hurt another soul? If I even for a
>second become aware that I am hurting someone I feel a deep pain deep inside
>of me that I have to correct that I must admmend for. Is this not what
>every one feels?
This is a serious problem, yes. I think that this feeling depends a lot on
one's spiritual maturity. I believe that most people feel when they do
something disharmonic, but they are, as I like to say, too fucked up to
notice the feeling. They feel pain, but it is likely that they will explain
it completely wrong: for instance, someone blames you for hurting them, it
is of course crap, and they feel bad (because of saying that to you) but
they explain it like "you see how she hurt me, I'm in pain". People are
mostly idiots and semi-animals, very unlike the image some "lightworkers"
want to create, that this state is actually perfection, or even that they
are more advanced because they are able to manifest negativity freely (!!).
Yes, things like that are just a fraction of bullshit I had a privilege to
hear. It is enough to take a look on the serious, maybe irreparable damage
to the ecosystem, the behavior of people and their interests - the primary
interest of people seems to be where exactly did Monica suck Bill's dick
and how many times. :) At the same time, the ecological and econimic
systems on the planet are a disaster. If something isn't done fast, and
maybe it's too late even for that, in some 50 years we'll probably live on
Dune the sand planet, without melange and giant worms and with a huge
mountains of garbage and spilled toxic waste everywhere. Now if someone
tells me that people are perfect just the way they are, I can't avoid the
conclusion that this person has a screw loose somewhere. Should I pretend
that everything is perfect so I won't have to face the bad stuff? Sounds
like saying that your garden is perfect as it is, and weeds somehow add to
its perfection. The negativity is actually the better way to do things
here: you see what things are wrong and then you act to fix it. Simple. If
the guys who made cars thought "oh, it will work, this is a good car", you
would get Yugo, the guys in Mercedes and BMW are systematically negative:
if there is any possibility that something could break down, go wrong etc,
they work on it. I think that is the way to approach spiritual matters as
well.
>If I am meant to detach from my feelings then why am I
>given the gift to know other peoples feelings? Why do I feel their anger?
You are sensitive to pranic and astral charge, and that is good, because it
opens your eyes so you can see what things really look like, instead of
covering them with candy syrup of ignorance. If someone is an asshole you
see that from a mile; if someone is great, you see that too.
When your eyes open, you are deprived of luxuries such as creating your own
realities. You get to see the real one.
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:08:35 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Excessive body heat prob
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At 19:21 1998.09.11 PDT, Evelyn Niedbalec wrote:
>
>>>So how exactly does one "purify the resources of the chakras?"
>>>-E
>>
>>Hm. There are two ways, one is to do it energetically, and the other is
>to
>>erradicate the flaws in your personality and replace them with
>perfections,
>>and it is done by merciless self-analisys.
>
>
>OK, I understand this way pretty well. But finding flaws is not as easy
>as replacing them with perfection. I tell the perfection to go there
>but it doesn't always wanna stick! ;-)
Maybe if you get the flaws out, you find out that the perfection somehow
found its way there all by itself. :) For instance, if you remove the
source of anger or other disturbance, you will find peace in its place. As
you go into deeper peace, you will find other disturbance; release them,
and you get deeper peace. That's the general idea. Admiral Idea is on
vacation right now, so you'll have to stick with the general. :)))
>The energetic way is to
>>gradually increase the energy going through the chakra and follow the
>>energy movement through you into deeper aspects
>
>So then how does go about controlling the amount of energy going through
>the chakra?
The safest way is to feel the energy and make it more subtle and deeper. As
you know, energy flow is just another name for some spiritual state; when
the chakra starts up, you get some emotional state to begin with, and then
you are that, you observe yourself and become purer, deeper, more beautiful
and delicate... always follow your feeling, don't force anything. If you
don't feel like doing that, don't. These things usually just start all by
themselves, and all you have to do is let it happen and not get in the way.
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 11:59:20 +100
From: "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: anger, kids, babbling, story
Message-Id: <199809120954.LAA31824ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
Once i was very angry with my daughter, fucking myself up internally. I was
on my bike on the way picking her up, when i had to stop for a red traffic
light... At that moment i became aware what i was doing, and to my great
surprise the whole anger was gone at the very same moment!, as if i had
dreamed it, very strange....
Strangely enough only my daughter can get me *REALLY* angry, with my
wife, or others, i can walk away, i can't walk out on my kid. There's another
reason, it's easy to be angry at a kid..... frans
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 16:22:00 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Zarko Kecman <icemanATnospaminecco.net>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Temperature
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I think the rising of temperature of the body when it occurs in meditation
or through spiritual practices is fine. for many shishyas of my Pujya
Gurudev and myself have experienced the rise in temperature of the body
after dikshas or after meditation. The temperature wasn't able down by
medications of any sort but by itself. May it's like the heat is burning
down the sins in body. Also in some SADHANAS heat generated is so much
that one just can't bear it. May be that when one is unable to bear it
then one should stop that very spiritual practice at that moment and
slowly and slowly adjust ones body to that.
love,
anurag
On Fri, 11 Sep 1998, Zarko Kecman wrote:
> There is one experience what I have last evening. This is second and
> same experience in last two month.
>
> About 7 after noon there is pain trough my bones and in the middle of
> manipura and svadistana chakras. Then my hands, legs and after 10
> minutes my all body was shaking. Amplitude of shaking is too high that I
> couldn't hold a glass of tee in my hands. In the same time, there is
> something what push me to laughs was hardly come to my home. About nine
> clock, my temperature was 40.2 C. My mother was try to call ambulance,
> but I was stop her. And trough the time my temperature is slowly come
> down. First 40C, then 39,8C and in the middle of the night I was have
> normally temperature 36,2C. When I take a breath trough my nose,
> something explode on my hands. My hands was full of energy.
>
> Greetings to list.
> Zarko Kecman
>
>
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 07:52:22 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: I don't know how to share this
Message-ID: <35FA2836.56F42E53ATnospammhonline.net>
Rev or not, I object. Please expand the vernacular so one doesn't read
the f word or about Monica + Bill, or holes etc. , or more of the f's.
IT's just rather difficult shifting from crown spinning letters to that.
Maybe just put an x or a w for warning in the subject header.Your
entitled ,I know, but you also are entitled to appreciate me showing my
grandchildern how to read letters and do e-mail.
Rev or not, grandchilden or not, thank you for being creative.
More Light.
+ Maureen
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 06:05:28 -0600
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: guy johnson <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Losing me
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> And there can be
> sadness as your ability to interact may shift
Yes that's it! It's so helpful to ask these questions here because of
perspectives like yours.
I've been feeling this loss for a few days now. When I talk to my friends
about it, they say that I'm mourning the loss of my marriage. But I know
that's not what it is. I thought I might get that same answer on the list,
but thought I'd ask anyway.
> You will be protected in the physical world as you commit to
> grow, and all that passes before you from your new perspective will have
> a deeper, if less personal meaning.
Seems like a paradox...deep but less personal. Interesting.
> It may be awkward now, but you will
> come to love the lack of drama.
It IS awkward. I think I've been playing the drama queen all my life. But
it has been shifting for a while now.
> Anyway, don't worry, you'll get dragged back down into the
> old pattern again if you are still attached,
Yeah, I LOVE it when I revert to my old patterns! :-)
> in love and great respect for your fine questions,
Thank you Katrina and Guy. I truly appreciate your even and calm influence
on the list.
Nancy
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:04:46 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: morlightATnospammhonline.net, Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: I don't know how to share this
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At 07:52 1998.09.12 +0000, Maureen Heffernan wrote:
>Rev or not, I object. Please expand the vernacular so one doesn't read
>the f word or about Monica + Bill, or holes etc. , or more of the f's.
>IT's just rather difficult shifting from crown spinning letters to that.
>Maybe just put an x or a w for warning in the subject header.Your
>entitled ,I know, but you also are entitled to appreciate me showing my
>grandchildern how to read letters and do e-mail.
>Rev or not, grandchilden or not, thank you for being creative.
>More Light.
If you spent more time in actually reading the messages, instead of
spinning your crown in high skies filled with more light, you would be able
to address your objections to the right address; AFAIK Denise didn't write
the message filled with ugly, non-spiritual words like fuck, suck, dick, or
Bill and Monica, it was me, and if being spiritual means blaming someone
(the first target, probably chosen on instinct or whatever) for something
that awakens your repressed negativity, then indeed fuck that kind of
spirituality.
Very nice fuck, Danijel.
;>
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:05:11 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: [Fwd: Your diagnosis/pinched nerves]
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To: b bah <happyhunaATnospamhotmail.com>
Subject: Re: Your diagnosis/pinched nerves
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Hi Barb,
The Reiki and Blessings have been sent. I see nothing unless it is given
to me to see and I am thankful.
Sending more Light to you,
+ Maureen
b bah wrote:
>
> Hi Maureen,
> Apparently you see pretty clearly, thank you. The lower three
> cervical vertabrae showed signs of degeneration in 1975 which seems to
> contribute to a tense jaw condition. As for thorasic area, I have a lung
> problem caused by inhaleing mmassive amounts of fungus from
> steaming-composting pine tree wood chips,and reoccuring bronchitus.
> Love, barb
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:31:04 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: I Know how to share this
Message-ID: <35FA3148.92BBDD9AATnospammhonline.net>
Hey Dan,
Awwwww, put a sock in it, better yet put a dome in it.
Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 14:40:05 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: morlightATnospammhonline.net, Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: I Know how to share this
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At 08:31 1998.09.12 +0000, Maureen Heffernan wrote:
>Hey Dan,
> Awwwww, put a sock in it, better yet put a dome in it.
:)
Only if it doesn't disturb your fluffy white lightworking thoughts. ;))) I
wouldn't want any grandchildren to have nightmares about sock/dome in _it_.
;> ;)))
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 05:54:40 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Excessive body heat prob
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Sometimes even the guru is called upon to listen and await clarity.
that's all. no need to force the mental system; when that inner trying
abates, often the simple knowing arrives like a vision, with very little
effort. love and great light to you, katrina
Danijel had written:
>I was actually talking about a mental system of explaining things, and
if
>you have a good one to offer, I'm all ears. ;)
>
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 15:13:53 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: On perfection and being fucked up, both :)
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At 05:49 1998.09.12 PDT, guy johnson wrote:
>No, what I'm saying is that everyone around me sees that past situation
>as fucked up, and that I no longer see it as a thing separate from all
>that has haelped me get to this place of understanding... all of it, no
>matter how categorized, is necessary for my growth. Now, could we
>return to the original query, and address your own issue of separation
>and need to fix yourself? kindly and with great curiosity, katrina
I don't know what is meant by separation and need to fix yourself. If you
are saying that the goal is to accept and integrate instead of improve,
then it is partially true, but only partially. It is true that it is
important to integrate the alienated parts of personality, but if there is
a need to integrate them, that process of integration could be called
"fixing", and the disintegration-separation could be viewed as the famous
fucked-up-ness, or simply a problem to be solved. I wasn't specific about
what is meant by fixing and I get the impression that you understood it as
finding "unwanted" parts of yourself and killing them off with a laser
blast. :) That is actually what a certain group of people, that I call
"lightworkers", is up to. The funniest example is the famous f-word, which
is nicely integrated in my system and carries no negativity with it, but
seems to resonate with a huge bunch of negativity in them, and since they
want to pretend it doesn't exist, they start screaming bloody murder.
The alternative extreme view is that even the separation and alienation
should be treated as positive parts of personality and thus integrated. In
that view, if someone gets high on angeldust and kills ten children with an
"Uzi", that person is perfect just the way he is, and his despair, hate for
himself and others, alienation from love and other "qualities" are perfect,
and he should keep getting stoned and kill whomever he chooses. This is a
rather extreme example, but necessary in order to properly identify and
analize the issue.
The third view would be that everyone is on his/her place in spiritual
evolution, and that place is perfect because it enables a person to grow
from there, and is not perfect in terms of being an ideal state, but
perfect in terms of being an ideal instrument of growth towards something
not relatively, but absolutely perfect.
As Vivekananda once said, it is good to be a child, but it is bad to stay
one. Every situation is perfect if you grow from it.
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 06:22:35 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I don't know how to share this.
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>like saying that your garden is perfect as it is, and weeds somehow add
to
>its perfection. The negativity is actually the better way to do things
>here: you see what things are wrong and then you act to fix it. Simple.
Dear Danijel:heard it on NPR just last week, and it rang so true (as
occasionally something from the media will... as if from above... if you
leave out all the filler...) "Chaos is a necessary ingredient for
evolution." If we are to grow past our generational legacies of limited
beliefs about ourselves and our worlds, then perhaps we must indeed
trash this planet and create changes that will allow the evolution to
take place more dramatically than it is. For who are we to know? Yes,
as a graduste with a degree in human ecology, I hear your whining about
the apparent lack of responsibility in the phrase, "everything is as it
should be", but truly, perhaps it is. I for one expect that Kat's anger
will eventually evolve into compassion. with love and great
understanding, katrina
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Date: Sat, 12 Sep 1998 08:39:52 -0500 (CDT)
From: hbarrettATnospamix.netcom.com (Holly N. Barrett, Ph.D.)
To: nancyATnospamwtp.net
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Losing me
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Katrina & Guy's answer was great. I'll only add that I know this
mourning well and have noticed 2 fears coming up for me: that I will
no longer love the people I love and that I will become boring. The
first I don't fear so much anymore as I see my capacity to love
increase, not decrease. As for the second, I'm not sure! I wasn't
gabby to begin with and now I find I have even less to say in general
company. Ah well. Holly
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