1998/09/10 15:51
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #647
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 647
Today's Topics: Re: Abrupt end of our series! [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Abrupt end of our series! [ "Wonderer" ] Re: Views on Aura (Part IV) [ Danijel Turina ]
Re: Abrupt end of our series! [ Danijel Turina ] Re: Abrupt end of our series! [ "Hudson Jackson II"
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In a message dated 9/10/98 11:39:41 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
sciATnospamnde.vsnl.net.in writes:
< . But friends, are not PATIENCE and PERSEVERENCE, the prerequisites in the spiritual path? The "I am something", the EGO of self will definitely
hinder the spiritual path.
Ms. Seema speaks the truth. Let us listen....
>Knowledge is endless. Every tomorrow will remind us of our yesterday's ignorance. We receive a large number of letters daily; we keep the useful
ones and send the rest to the trash. When one is GRUMBLING about it, there must be reason for it. SUPER EGO! Time to just peep into self.
Healing is healing. When one comes to you and asks for a healing, do you turn
some away? If you see ego (in any form -- illness or words) in what they are saying or look like, do you dismiss them for the holier, the less ill, ones to
heal?
There is no difficulty in order of miracles!
A true healer does not discard anyone! Healing can be done in any form, any place, any time. The form matters not. It is the same thing here on this
list as it is in the healers office with the patient lying down to work on auras and chakras, or the healing of an illness.
> One man's bread is other man's poison.
So what! that someone said they didn't care for your views? So what? Does a
doctor close up office when one patient doesn't like what he said or did? Maybe rather than be offended, we would look at their true intentions. You
spoke about this the other day and I read with great interest and admiration.
If we looked at each person as having something worthwhile to say, each person as being worthwhile to heal, no matter what form it comes in (anger,
illness, etc.), then, maybe then, we can really listen. We can clarify via communication or looking within or doing the laying on hands - again, the form
does not matter - seeing their healing as our own healing for what WE are *seeing* (the illness or the anger), then we help not only ourselves but each
other. We can reach oneness rather than separation. Healing is done. Healing is certain.
>This has been existing all through the ages.
Yes it has, and it is time it stopped!!! Amen Sister
>Here, since it is poisoning him,
(as the words spoken seem to be poisoning you and forcing you to leave your
healing post)
>he will deprive the other, of his bread.
Who will know now the true healing you can bring here if you leave? Oh well. I'd continue healing only those pure of heart - they really need it.
>That is to say, we have decided to put an abrupt end to this
series. Hi, fella, buddy , let us continue to talk of the dreams, who is missing whom, vultures, relations, spanking one another, and all the BS -
which interests everyone! Any howling?
Once seen in Truth, the beauty of all of it will come into view.
Just like healing an ill person. Sooooo ugly that cancer, that skin eruption, those outta whack chakras spinning out of control. Do you stop just because
you see that? I certainly hope not. Maybe you do - I do not know your value system.
I do know that your intentions are for the highest good of everyone - for true
healing to occur to reach as many people as possible. Is that not right?
>Well, there is nothing wrong. All are right. What one says depends where one STANDS
You are sooo right.
I will end this post with your own beautiful words:
To: , "cosmic energy" Subject: Re: Abrupt end of our series!
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Dear Ms. Seema (Cosmic Energy)
I don't know how you get your information, but I definitely enjoyed reading it. (Who cares if I believe it all, or not.) Let not another voice on this list be stifled,
please!
Cathy
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<kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>Date: Thursday, September 10, 1998 11:43 AMSubject: Abrupt end of our
series! >Dear friends,>>The reaction of some dear members
was as expected. They are accustomed to>the regular bickerings, spanking, leg-pulling - that one often find their>way in the list . Besides, the
omniscient brothers and sisters, who make>their presence felt with their stuff, feel that they are being>side-lined (snip)
Ms.Seema>>
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:20:03 +0200 From: Danijel Turina
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, iamATnospamonelist.com
Subject: Re: Views on Aura (Part IV) Message-Id:
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At 09:07 1998.09.10 EDT, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com wrote: ><This is the Kundalini list. Interest of the people present here might
prove >to be more on the manifested side of it, like manifesting higher
>consciousness, deeper love and more balanced actions. >
>I question the word 'manifesting' - would you clarify your definition? (I >want to make sure we are talking about the same thing here). To me,
>manifesting is 'adding to', creating, co-creating.
Well, manifestation is when you put your stuff to the real-life test. For instance, if someone meditates and is at the same time unable to form good
loving relationships with people, I would say that his meditation isn't much. Also if someone is unable to feel other people, if he's not intuitive
etc.
> >There always is the I AM list for those who are not interested in those >things and prefer asking "WHO is it that is saying that? WHO?".
> >Did it ever cross your mind to answer? It is being asked for a reason. (I
>have NO idea why, but it is a question, that I see is being asked sincerely)
I answered, and what do I get, "that can't be the right stuff, because if it was, you'd be just like me". Great. It's pretty annoying so I'm
protesting against it, sort of, live and let live thing. :)
----- E-mail : dturinaATnospamgeocities.com
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:20:51 +0200
From: Danijel Turina To: cosmic energy , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Abrupt end of our series! Message-Id:
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At 21:10 1998.09.10 +0500, cosmic energy wrote: >One man's bread is other man's poison. This has been existing all through
>the ages. Here, since it is poisoning him, he will deprive the other, of >his bread. That is to say, we have decided to put an abrupt end to this
>series. Hi, fella, buddy , let us continue to talk of the dreams, who is >missing whom, vultures, relations, spanking one another, and all the BS -
>which interests everyone! Any howling? >Well, there is nothing wrong. All are right. What one says depends where
>one STANDS.
I really don't know why you expected to apply tests on anyone, and at the same time not to be questioned and tested? This list is a turbulent place,
and if I was that upset about the occasional appearance of characters who know everything, I'd probably unsubscribe by now. I suggest that you go on
with your stuff, and just filter out the unimportant bickering, and integrate the relevant comments into your thinking. That's generally what
people here try to do. You wouldn't want them to say that you have 20 inches over amygdala and 36
over hurt ego, would you? ;)))
Besides that, I would really want to hear about the results of the tests you have conducted here - as I said before, your views on that would be
appreciated.
----- E-mail : dturinaATnospamgeocities.com
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377 Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 20:05:01 +0200
From: Danijel Turina To: FluteATnospamcreate.org, "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
Subject: Re: Aura's Message-Id:
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At 08:09 1998.09.10 -0500, flute wrote: > There is a Video Aura machine at a local bookstore and you can watch
>the changes. This is the newest thing that puts Krilian Photography to >shame.
Please, tell more about that thing? I saw a polaroid camera that
photographs aura, with a computer that runs an analisys, but video is a whole new dimension - talk about feedback! Yess!! :))
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 15:04:56 -0400 From: "Wonderer"
To: , "cosmic energy" Cc:
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FYI,
It was in her private e-mail to me (and probably in her other private e-mails to other list members) that Ms. Seema asked for no inquiries,
until later. I honored that request.
Later, when she posted aura information on the list, (I believe) she refers to the fact that she asked people to whom she sent
personalized aura data to refrain from questions. Obviously, this is because she intended to do a comprehensive answer later.
I do not take her comments to mean that she can't handle any
questions that are posed now. Aren't we all nit picking again? Sheesh!
Thru the Lite Darkly,
Cathy
>Harsha: Indeed Ms. Seema. That is why it is best to find out where
One Truly >Stands. Then you need not worry about where others stand. As I
suggested to >you in an earlier post, why not post your information on a web page.
That way, >those who are interested can go there. For you to expect that there
will be no >questioning of what you post on this list is unrealistic and
presumptuous. The >great Sages like Ramana have said that the human life is a precious
gift and >should not be wasted on trivialities. Why do you not sincerely study
those >teachings and reflect on them and practice. If you truly discover
the >knowledge and understanding within, then you can share and at least
the >spiritually minded people will listen. Otherwise what is the use of
adding to >the spiritual circus. Is there a lack of clowns? You must answer for
yourself. >Best wishes.
> >P.S. from Harsha: Do not be frustrated. Understand why you feel
rejected. >Understand the nature of what is happening. It is not outside you.
It is >within you. God bless you.
> >
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 21:46:36 +0200 From: Danijel Turina
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: Abrupt end of our series!
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At 15:04 1998.09.10 -0400, Wonderer wrote:
>FYI, >It was in her private e-mail to me (and probably in her other private
>e-mails to other list members) that Ms. Seema asked for no inquiries, >until later. I honored that request.
> >Later, when she posted aura information on the list, (I believe) she
>refers to the fact that she asked people to whom she sent >personalized aura data to refrain from questions. Obviously, this is
>because she intended to do a comprehensive answer later.
I searched my pretty complete archives of this year's K-list stuff, and I really couldn't find the place where she _initially_ mentions the inquiry,
maybe that is because I was in India and away from the computer at that time. If there were some restrictions about asking questions mentioned, I
really don't know anything about them, maybe my wish to find out more about their methods and results was read as impatience? Anyway, I have a nasty
habit of wanting to know more about the things that I find interesting. :) However, it's a bit strange to end the test because of, actually very
predictable, reactions on the list; come on, it is obvious that some will find it interesting and they'll want to know more (and you never can tell
if someone has read the message which said that the questions will be answered later, sometimes it's hard to keep up with the list), some people
will be suspicious, and some are just professional againsters. ;) Anyway, after what I wrote, I almost expect to hear that aura around my brain is
smaller than a peanut, and that I think with my butt, and that I have no spiritual cord. :))))
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Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 11:34:09 -0700 From: Mystress Angelique Serpent
To: FluteATnospamcreate.org Cc: "kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com"
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At 08:09 AM 10/09/98 -0500, flute wrote:
> There is a Video Aura machine at a local bookstore and you can watch >the changes. This is the newest thing that puts Krilian Photography to
>shame. Wheee! That sounds like even more fun than morphing in the mirror.. :)
> YES.. Everyone can see aura's. You just have to learn how to do it.
>Experiencing is the main thing. You can hear and believe something, but >until you make it work for you.. it seems vague.. So the next time you
>are totally bored, stare at something.. A plant, a tree, a person, then >watch on the side of the person. (not where your staring). Your
>Peripherial Vision is the best picker upper of the aura. Yes indeedy.. I taught a third eye opening and blockage/entity
clearing workshop on the weekend. I had written a big long paragraph explaining what it was about, which the secretary wittily synopsized as
"How to see 'em, how to make 'em go away." I ROTFLMAO..
Grounded everyone, then went around the room drilling everybody's third eye with a light tap on their forehead with my fingertip..the personal
touch.. that was good fun, seeing the looks on their faces as light expanded in their heads.... then took them outside to look at the radiant
trees and mountains, and then at each other. So nice to be standing around in the sunlight zapping each others blockages, and we also sent somebody's
Grandmother into the light..:) They were amazed at how easy it is.. I think I'll write up the workshop
into a website. For the rest of the weekend, I had folks who had been in the workshop,
bringing friends who hadn't been in it to me asking to get their third eye opened.."Could you do to me what you did to her??" One woman got the
giggles from it and was led away laughing.. good fun! >Its basic and sooo easy..why do
>we have to complicate everything? >Love,
>-- >flute
Well, it's an art form to make simplicity into complexity.. like basket weaving.. macrame.. tying things into knots to get a sense of
accomplishment. Ego likes it.. Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 13:52:54 -0700
From: beisamATnospamjuno.com (a s) To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hey folks,
had to get me a new address, here is my teporary NEW address,
beisamATnospamjuno.com
I was trying to say I was sorry for my part, if any, in the un-subing of cosmic energy,
when, poof! I got dumped, illigal operation : 0 couldnt get it to come back on.....
.............................. I will try again,
It was not my intent to stiffle or chase off nobody,
I wanted to ask questions, I wanted others to ask questions,
too much info, not enough explanation, and NO dialog.... made me edgy, made me nervous,,,,,
my problem. I know, well, it backfired in my face and now,
I may never know what the heck the point was, and I really did, in the beginning,
want to learn.... I am sorry if my lack of paitence has blown it for others as well......
freda _____
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From: nancy To: a s ,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" Subject: Re: sorry
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> It was not my intent to stiffle or chase off nobody,
You didn't. It's not your problem how someone else reacts to you! Your reaction, your choice. Their reaction, their choice.
> I am sorry if my lack of paitence has blown it for others as well......
I think Harsha's idea of Cosmic Energy starting a web site was appropriate.
So much information without discussion fits a web page not a mail discussion group.
Relax, Freda. All you did was express yourself.
Nancy
Date: Thu, 10 Sep 1998 14:38:28 PDT From: "Hudson Jackson II"
To: mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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>It was in her private e-mail to me (and probably in her other private >e-mails to other list members) that Ms. Seema asked for no inquiries,
>until later. I honored that request. >
>Later, when she posted aura information on the list, (I believe) she >refers to the fact that she asked people to whom she sent
>personalized aura data to refrain from questions. Obviously, this is >because she intended to do a comprehensive answer later.
> >I do not take her comments to mean that she can't handle any
>questions that are posed now. Aren't we all nit picking again? >Sheesh!
I wish we all had known. But still, I think we should openly discuss
stuff like this here, and not in fear. :-)
Peace,
- Hudson
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