1998/09/07 15:27
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #638
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 638
Today's Topics: links to Fibromyalgia info [ "foster" ]
Re: tongue curling [ cosmic energy ] Re: thunder storms and tempers [ "Paul" ]
Re: thunder storms and tempers [ "Kat" ] Re: (no subject) [ eggers ]
Re: thunder storms and tempers [ "foster" ] Re: Re: (no subject) [ "foster" ]
Re: (no subject) [ MoonrisempATnospamaol.com ] What is it good for? [ "cindy moore" ]
Re: What is it good for? [ "Pure Heart" To: "K. list"
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Hi
all! I agree with
what Rick Puravs said in his last message to the list (Re: ender Fluctuations: So.... Okay, there are quit a few people who have
Fibromyalgia and CFS symptoms with their K rising. Here are some links that could help you with them. There is no problem with treating the
symptoms and not having to experience intense pain and body problems that are associated with K rising...I know...I asked!
I also know from experience that these links and their suggestions will only help so far
but it might be enough to get you thru this and help you keep up with your obligations in the world.
https://www.shn.net/cgi-bin/login_s.cgi
This link is for the Serpent Health Network (nice name huh?) It is full of helpful information about FMS/CFS and many other chronic conditions. You need to
become a member but it doesn't cost anything and they don't send you spam.
http://www.tyhealth.com/TyHProducts/OriginalProducts/100.htm
This one is for the To your Health products. They have a product that can help with pain and stamina as well as more info on FMS.
http://members.wbs.net/homepages/b/j/w/bjwiggles.html
This link is a web page of the "fearless fighting Tiger Lady". She has lots of other links for more info.
I hope this helps.
There is also a news group that I belong to. They have a lot of info there also "alt.med.fibroyalgia" .
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 19:50:19 +0500 From: cosmic energy
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In some method of healing, the healers ask the healees to let the tongue touch with their palate . This improves the connection between the back
energy channel and the front energy channel , resulting in more Cosmic Energy being drawn in by the crown chakra and more ground energy being
drawn in by the sole chakra and basic chakra.
--------------------------------------- At 05:31 PM 8/27/98 EDT, you wrote:
>Dear list, I was wondering if some of the scholars on the list could tell me what causes or what is caused by) the tongue cleaving to the palate or
the tongue curling up to the palate. Does it open pranic passageways?? When I waken with theroaring energy going through me I often find my tongue
in one of these positions. Does it mean anything? >Thanks, Love, Hillary
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From: "Paul" To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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Hi.
> You will find yourself a much more peacefull and observant person
>and the K energy will flow better..
Not just here but in other people's messages too I have been seeing people doing various things in order to apparently give k energy more
breathing space, so that it "works better" or has more flow or whatever, that you have to do certain things in working on yourself in
order to improve the k energy. Why is the k energy becoming an end in itself? That's not the point is it? And is the truly any seperation
between the k energy and activities that you apparently perform under your own steam to better yourself? I certainly don't find myself doing
things in the name of making k's job easier so I am just wondering.
-- Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:51:05 PDT From: "Evelyn Niedbalec"
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk Subject: Making k's job easier
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>
>Hi. >
>> You will find yourself a much more peacefull and observant person >>and the K energy will flow better..
> >Not just here but in other people's messages too I have been seeing
>people doing various things in order to apparently give k energy more >breathing space, so that it "works better" or has more flow or
>whatever, that you have to do certain things in working on yourself in >order to improve the k energy. Why is the k energy becoming an end in
>itself? That's not the point is it? And is the truly any seperation >between the k energy and activities that you apparently perform under
>your own steam to better yourself? I certainly don't find myself doing >things in the name of making k's job easier so I am just wondering.
> >--
>Paul.
Well, I think when people are experiencing a lot of pain, their focus not surprisingly tends to gravitate to the immediate problem and that is
alleviating the pain. So how to alleviate the pain? Make the k flow easier in any way possible. It seems to me that such actions do no
deviate from the path of enlightenment so I see no prob. I just think of it as a more immediate goal than looking way ahead. But if your
probs are nearby and intense, seems that an immediate goal needs to be focused on more anyway. One has to trust that the k, or the higher
self, or whatever you want to call it is trying to act for the long term good, so it seems logical to go with it.
-E
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Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 10:52:56 PDT From: "cindy moore"
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com Subject: Fatigue
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>From: "Cindy"
>To: "K. list" >Subject: Fatigue
>Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 012:50> > Hello everyone,
I have not found much that helps with the pain, but it is easing after many years. Fatigue has been a constant problem, and I have improved in
that respect by removing products with phosphoric acid in them, using a supercharged multi-vitamin and a new one that keeps me up and going -
blue green algae. Not all things work for all people, and I have tried a lot of different things, including prescription medications.
Any additions to my regimen is always welcome, I am always looking for something better. Thanks
Cindy
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Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 13:21:21 -0400 From: "Kat"
To: "foster" , "jb" , "K. list"
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Hi Jan , Julie & All,
>>Jan: The mind is full of tendencies. Anger is but one of them. These >tendencies were once created and from then on reinforced by repetition. If
>something is repeated, it becomes a habit. > >By giving in to the
>tendencies, expressing them will become a habit. >
I completey agree with you about the dangers of allowing habits to develope and how we must avoid this and find postive ways to deal with our emotions.
Julie: > Okay, I agree up to a point but my experience has shown me that it takes
>around 3 months to develop a habit. I think that in the initial part of >anger ,it is okay and damn right to blow off steam. Then, you can sit down
>and FEEL the emotions. I don't know if the word "Meditating" on feelings is
>such a good one to use in this circumstance...as it implys that you think >about it when you need to feel only.
I understand what you have been expressing here but I am somewhat confused
by the last statement....."as it implys that you think abut it when you need to feel only" This seems completely counterdictive to what I have been
taught so far. I have been taught to think about the emotion instead of feeling it. Can you explain this better to me?
> This is what I do: Park my butt on the couch, grab a blanket (for >comfort). Now feel your anger, don't DO anything but if the tears come,let
>them.
To many tears have come out this past year. I need to find a way to stop them as it only makes me weak in the eyes of others.
Continue to breathe (very important!),
I fully understand the need for good breathing! It is amazing what a good
breath exercise can do for you. also important to keep your mouth closed and only breath through the nose.
let the anger build and build
>as you sit thru it. It will reach great intensity until you feel as if you >will explode but then it will dissapate and you will feel very peaceful and
>relaxed. If you do this with all your blocked and current emotions. You >will find yourself a much more peacefull and observant person and the K
>energy will flow better.. I realise, jb, that this is basically what you >said, but I just took the mystery out of it. Hope this helps, Kat.
I do understand the basic principlies of this exercise and will give it a try. Thanks for sharing with me.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 14:00:59 -0400 From: "Kat"
To: "Sharon Webb" , Subject: Re: thunder storms and tempers
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Hi Sharon,
>I'm afraid I have to join the pack and admit to a full outburst of shaking
>fury tonight.
When my full temper comes out as it did last night most people run for the hills. The group here I have to say is very brave. Many people in private
helped me through a time that I needed to express anger and no good feelings whatso ever. It is because of this help that I am now ready to begin the
long journey my path is taking me on. I am finally starting to get over a very nasty rock that was placed on the road by myself. With my anger I
broke it to pieces with lighting. Today I am walking over it. I am not saying all of my anger is gone but now I have a much better idea of where it
is coming from.
>NO! Anger is NOT an evil thing. It is only your perception that sees it
as >evil. If we do not release our anger, then it turns to slow poison inside
>us, and we become venomous to all we encounter---and most of all to >ourselves.
I agree with your above statement as far as what anger can do to us.
However to me anger is very evil thing indeed. I suppose this is where my preception might need some adjustment but I can not help but tell you how I
feel about it. I have to be truthful to myself. Anger in full rage can and does cause very harmful things to happen.
> >We have to release it. There are appropriate ways and inappropriate ways
of >doing this. If we repress our anger then we will surely cause injury to
>ourselves and others.
I understand your point. This is why I found a way to I guess as you would put it repress my anger. Some of it has been so repressed that I have
trouble understanding how it got there in the first place! Some of it is still very much unknown to me. I just know it is there now. Now I am aware
of just how deep this anger is. Unfortuntly and perhaps fortuntly much of this anger is still behind a wall of protection from myself and for others.
I am will be consinstrating a great deal more in the next many months on finding ways to Release this anger in a very constructive way. Writing
about it I have been told is a good way to go about it and I intend to do just that and then I will burn that paper so no one will ever see it. To
bless it afterwards is going to be the hard part! >
>Repressing anger is never appropriate, because the only way it can be >released is to be expressed. We delude ourselves if we think that anger
can >be controlled by repressing it.
I didn't think I was deluding myself but I was. The few times I have tried
to express it has been meet with anger from the other person or they have taken it as a personal insult to their abilities to helping others. This
was not about them at the time. It was about me finding a way to release it in a calmer fashion. This was not understood. It was looked on as
Negetive. Negetive is only negetive when it is not dealt with .....am I right?
>P. S. There was a thunderstorm here, too. :-)
A gentle man had wanted to take me out to the movies last night. I cancelled out and told him that I was in a very bad mood and did not want to
take it out on him. He's an angel.....he was happy that I was aware of this mood and was happy not to have to confront this mood. He left me a message
saying that we could get together later today for a coffee and still go to the movie on Tuesday night instead. I told him the storm last night was me
being angry. he laughed and said" Boy you really do get mad don't you? " I wonder how many thunderstorms can be connected to angry moods? If it can be
at all.
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine Date: Mon, 7 Sep 98 14:20:56 CDT
From: eggers To:
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I would like to jump into this discussion of the relation of CFS and
kundalini. I had no idea others were experiencing these things together. I had CFS for 4 years before the K awakening. I was originally diagnosed
while in grad school at Yale. When the kundalini activity began, the CFS symptoms became profound--really intense and painful. I read this
as an accelerated process of ridding the body of the illnessand imbalance. For several years following the k awakening, symptoms continued to be severe.
I used a lot of ayurvedic methods, pretty successfully, to deal with this. If
anyone on the list wants to talk about those methods further, I'm happy to. I sympathize with the desperation people are describing. For me the disease is
almost completely gone with small intermittent periods of symptoms, which I really can no longer distinguish from the symptoms one gets from the
kundalini doing its work of moving one to a higher level of conciousness and physical functioning. I work way more than full time and work out about
5 days a week now, so I want to suggest some optimistic scenario to those dealing with this weird combination of struggle and growth. My situation is
very different from what it was a few years ago.
Does anyone have theories on why these experiences may be linked? I would like to hear from you.
Jill
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:33:05 -0700 From: "foster"
To: "Kat" , Subject: Re: thunder storms and tempers
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Kat said:<confused by the last statement....."as it implys that you think abut it when you need
to feel only" This seems completely counterdictive to what I have been taught so far. I have been taught to think about the emotion instead of
feeling it. Can you explain this better to me?>>
Julie: Do not think during the emotion exercise. Unless it is supposed to bring
up more emotion. This exercise is to release anger, fear,sadness, etc... in a safe way without repressing it. If you think during this, you are
blocking the process of feeling. It is only by feeling emotions that we can release them from repression. Think later after you are done. I know it
works...I have done it many times. It's only when I forget to feel my feelings because "I don't have time right now" then I get them repressed
where they build up and have to come out later overcharged. I try to do this once a week to keep up with it. Much love, Julie
Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 12:48:47 -0700 From: "foster"
To: "eggers" , "K. list"
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<Does anyone have theories on why these experiences may be linked? I would
like to hear from you.
Jill>>
Dear Jill and list, Here are a few of my ideas. I have had symptoms of electrical disturbance
within my body. Seems like neurons are misfiring, I can turn off computers, on answering machines, and windshield wipers just by walking by them. There
are times when I cannot walk, talk, or write (notice the typos lately) because the signal gets lost from my brain to my body. The docs say that
this disease has indications of neurological electrical system malfunction which are sending pain signals where there should be none. All energy deals
with electricity. K energy included. It might be that K energy knocks your nervous system off balance with its growth and changing and clearing, even
to the point of burning out the some nerve endings. This could upset the balance and cause these problems long term. I have been thinking about this
for awhile. It is nice to have confirmation on my developing theory about FMS/CFS. I knew all the science in college would come in handy someday :-)
Much love, Julie Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 16:18:29 EDT
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Julie and List,
I have a couple of questions. I first would like to say that my k awakening
has been gentle and I still get the fire in my back and tired sometimes. Not with CFS though. I get depressed form time to time and usually if I just stop
and say, Oh, I am depressed, why? I can usually find I am releasing things or an old aspect is returning or I am feeling something that I have forgotten
about and it was never settled. I find that lately I have been mending fences with others as I get ready to move.
I am a Reiki Master and Massage therapist among other talents. I attribute my
easy time with K to getting massages and Reiki exchanges with my friends. I know it could have been worse especially when I did not know what this heat
was.
So, my question is, those of you with CFS, have you gotten any bodywork or energy work? I also had a couple of people with FMS and they did not think
they could take the massage and they did and allowed me to use med/deep pressure. We were both surprised. I use a lot of energy and intuition with my
massages. Just another way to help with the pain. Sometimes we just don't get touched enough in our society and our bodies cry for it! Or nurtured and
Massage is a good way to do that.
Hope this helps and will send some Reiki to each of you! Blessings!
Barbara Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 14:43:27 PDT
From: "cindy moore" To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
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>From: "Cindy" >To: "everyone"
>Subject: Re: Re: (no subject) >Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 4:32
> I do not feel that kundalini is a disease. Until I experienced it I did
not know it existed. Intense pain has a way of motivating a person to find out what is going on. And at first I found only small traces of it.
The very first indication was the name - kundalini - in a yoga book and of course it said not to arouse it without proper supervision. (There's
a real rant for you.) If you don't know about it how can you know you need supervison ....
Anyway, I do believe that it is a maturation process. Some people go through it earlier than others, some never experience it. Maybe as some
say they are called. Maybe God likes to laugh. Who knows. I have a question though. I would like to know what it's good for?
Is it individual specific? A certain percentage of the population? Where do we go from here? A vessel filled must channel the water
somewhere? Can anyone help? Cindy
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To list: Much thanks for your love and compassion. This bout of
cleansing started off really bad but dissipated rapidly. I'm sure that you had something to do with it mellowing out so rapidly. I am starting
to be functional again. A heavy burden shared becomes much lighter. To bbah:
No, I am not the Barbara Alexander from Concord but I think it would be really nice to own a nursery. I do have an herb garden, but it is in
Pennsylvania. barb
Date: Mon, 07 Sep 1998 15:05:48 -0700 From: Amanda Smith
To: cindy moore , "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" ,
"kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com" Subject: Re: What is it good for?
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At this point I do not know where I am headed but along with it I am finding hyperactivity and as my friends will tell you annoyingly optimism. The
colors of the world are more lush than ever. If you want to read where this all leads try the fiction novel that is written by James Redfield. If you
do not know who he is you will soon. He wrote Celestine Prophecy. It may be fiction but it put in to words where spiritual transformation can lead.
In lifes chain there is cause and effect. Here we have control of the 6 degrees of seperation from someone we will never meet but influence.
***i.e. I am having a horible day,... I cut someone off in traffic they reck thier car and go to the hospital. This person may be a sole provider
and lose thier life or job. Their children no longer have money or a father and do not do well in thier grieving and thier grades for this year fall.
This leads to no scholarships for college and the cure for AIDs is put on hold until the year 2105.
Extreme yes but plausible. If I had taken the time to trust my faith and to meditate myself out of the edge of the anger I might have not run them off
the road and done drastic damage to one or the whole world. The chain of life is not set in stone we do have more power than we give ourselves credit
for. If you would like read the following and compare. ***i.e. I had someone say hi to me he was a homeless man who found my keys
and searched for me for a week knowing I ride the bus with my disabled clients everyday. It took a week and my bike was locked up down town the
whole time with all the party hounds here in Chico, CA. party school of the U.S. In return I gave him $10 he did not ask for it. I found out later he
had been sleeping on the bench for the week so no one would steal my bike. I had said Hi to him before and he remembered my kindness he said. Now I
have my keys, my bike, my locks, my food money to feed my children, and I kissed society's perception of a frog on the cheek and he turned out to be a
better man than most. My life is not easy with single parenthood and two years ago I may not have said Hi because my awareness of lifes value was not
what it is now. I choose to grow and give positive K energy back to the plant in my yard, the stray kitten, and the homeless man who in return gave
me positive energy back reaffirming lifes chain and the influence of spiritual optimism and kindness.
Does this make any sense to anyone? Amanda
cindy moore wrote:
> >From: "Cindy" > >To: "everyone"
> >Subject: Re: Re: (no subject) > >Date: Mon, 7 Sep 1998 4:32
> > > I do not feel that kundalini is a disease. Until I experienced it I did
> not know it existed. Intense pain has a way of motivating a person to > find out what is going on. And at first I found only small traces of it.
> The very first indication was the name - kundalini - in a yoga book and > of course it said not to arouse it without proper supervision. (There's
> a real rant for you.) If you don't know about it how can you know you > need supervison ....
> Anyway, I do believe that it is a maturation process. Some people go > through it earlier than others, some never experience it. Maybe as some
> say they are called. Maybe God likes to laugh. Who knows. > I have a question though. I would like to know what it's good for?
> Is it individual specific? A certain percentage of the population? > Where do we go from here? A vessel filled must channel the water
> somewhere? Can anyone help? > Cindy
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'Kundalini' is the result of the dance of the two aspects (as seen from duality perspective) of what the Hindus call
Shiva and Shakti.
Shiva and Shakti are having sex with each other, and you happen to be part of the playing field.
If you can come to something approaching 'awakening' after
repeated Kundalini experiences, then you can start taking baby steps in the much bigger life of the one life.
Everyones path is different, Kundalini is merely the one who
opens the door. You have to go through the door.
No one ever wants to listen to a simple answer, or take the simple advice, they always want some mysterious answer -)
Its really just this simple.
-Kevin
>I have a question though. I would like to know what it's good for? >Is it individual specific? A certain percentage of the population?
>Where do we go from here? A vessel filled must channel the water >somewhere? Can anyone help?
>Cindy >
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