1998/09/05 04:24
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #631
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 631
Today's Topics:
Re: (no subject) [ "foster" <mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com> ]
Re: (no subject) [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
The 'Classic Kundalini Awakening' [ eggers <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu> ]
Re: List [ "Autumn Sheffield" <forest_eyesATnospamhot ]
Re: Kundalini/Lupus [ "Autumn Sheffield" <forest_eyesATnospamhot ]
Re: (no subject) [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Kundalini Symposium [ DonBBensonATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Kundalini/Lupus [ GISLENNEATnospamaol.com ]
Re: List [ GISLENNEATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Energy Fluctuations [ "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotm ]
Re: Ice [ "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.c ]
Re: Energy Fluctuations [ "Larry Schmitz" <taniaATnospamcentroin.com ]
Starting Over [ "alan gaskins" <ravenkrossATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: Ice [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
thoughts [ v <vcooperATnospameagle.ptialaska.net> ]
Re: Energy Fluctuations [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
full moon [ v <vcooperATnospameagle.ptialaska.net> ]
more on unrequited love [ v <vcooperATnospameagle.ptialaska.net> ]
Re: full moon [ RndmOneATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Energy Fluctuations [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 11:09:51 -0700
From: "foster" <mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com>
To: <nickynoodleATnospamnetrax.net>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Message-ID: <00e701bdd82f$366393c0$554afdd0ATnospamvucqpqlj>
Dear Barbara and list,
A big fat YES to the below message! But I don't think that pretending to be
other than you are has positive consequences either , so if you are...be,
if not ..be that way also. Just don't forget that you are the one causing
the consequences. The whole you, not just imagined shadow and reality
pieces that you pick apart. All parts of you have strength and
weakness....duh.....and should be combined and blended as a whole, sometimes
to do that you need to get to the roots, wisdom can come in mysterious ways.
What is your intent in life? What is your life? Why you with the K
awakening now but not before or later? Why are you, you? or the very
basic...are you who you think you are? These are worth pondering or maybe
even skipping and just being who you are. Not a problem. You may ponder or
not, your choice. Much Love, Julie
Barbara wote:
> We are responsible for out thoughts as well as our actions.
> We are individuals, but we are not separate from the whole.
>It might do well to consider the consequences of our thoughts and
>actions on the universal body.
>Can a stone be cast into still water without causing ripples?
>Can we harm on part of the body without the rest of the body feeling the
>effects?
>It is not disagreement that is harmful, but the spirit behind it can be.
>
>
Date: 4 Sep 98 19:21:36 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
Message-Id: <OUT-35F03DC0.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Barbara,
> We are responsible for out thoughts as well as our actions.
> We are individuals, but we are not separate from the whole.
This is illogical. Maybe that means it is true.
You have got me thinking about paradox. It's sprung up in some other
places lately. I think I am a sensible person, perfectly able to sense
the world and to have common sense. But, now that it is being
mentioned, I am wondering if there is more to things than just these
sense-making approaches, like perhaps reality is totally nonsense.
For, what you said above - individual and yet not seperate, is not
something I can make sense of. And what I touched on in another
message, was that the opposite of going with the flow is not
necessarily any more spiritual. These dualistic models always seem to
be totally paradoxical, if you truly get a sense of them. I am
wondering if duality isn't a dormant aspect of non-duality, but let's
not get too Buddhist about it.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 98 13:30:24 CDT
From: eggers <****ATnospamtwsuvm.uc.twsu.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: The 'Classic Kundalini Awakening'
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Dear Kevin,
I don't know whether my comments to your note will be of any help. But I
sympathize the disturbing intensity of your currrent kundalini experience, so
I wanted to respond. While my symptoms differed somewhat from yours, in the
first 2 years of my k awakening, they were of an intensity such as you describe
I felt I was clinging to functioning life by the thinnest thread. I was
often in bed for days, overwhelmed with nerve pain. Symptoms changed drasticall
y as different areas were worked on, but continued in intensity. I guess it
would be rather pointless to catalogue here the various symptoms. I really
want to say that I sympathize with this difficult period, and that I found the
painful intensity subsided gradually for me. In the beginning, the experience
of ecstatic states was also more intense, and each of these was followed by
a rather marked period of painful new "work". I learned that by really
limiting spiritual practices, I am able to keep the kundalini growth/activity
at a more manageable level. I can only practice meditation for a few minutes
a day now, while for 20 years I practiced about an hour a day. For me, this
keeps the integration of this spiritual force with daily responsibilities
together. I have also met with a number of ayurvedic physicians who have
been of some help. Deepak Chopra was helpful when he was working with the
Transcendental Meditation people, but he is no longer with them. Dr. Mishra,
the head of Maharishi Ayurveda in Colorada, has been very helpful for me. I
will send you his phone number if you want it. He can help you integrate this
process with ayurvedic herbs and suggestions for managing your involvement with
spritual practices. Write to me on the list or individually if you want more
information on this.
Good luck,
Jill
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 11:54:22 PDT
From: "Autumn Sheffield" <forest_eyesATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, GISLENNEATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: List
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Gis,
I think someone's trying to unsubscribe - they're not trying to give you
a hint! Or if they are, they want me off too! <VBG>
Autumn
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 12:03:40 PDT
From: "Autumn Sheffield" <forest_eyesATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, GISLENNEATnospamaol.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini/Lupus
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Gis,
I will tell you my K experiences... I was debating not telling you
since they are pleasant but I felt that you'd want to hear it too. I'm
just now getting where I can tell what happens so if it's confusing,
please forgive me. <G> This gives me a chance to share with the list
also!
I have only experienced K rising during meditations. I have energy that
builds up in my head and it seems to reach a certain level and then it
flows down my spine into my tail bone area. Then this hot oil (not
painful though) shoots back up to my head and then explodes! My
forehead and crown seem to crack open (this was in the beginning, it
doesn't do this any more), warm up, and tingle. Then it will seem to
drip down into my body, filling it with this hot oil. I get all warm
and tingly and then it dissipates away. Leaving me in awe.
Then energy will sometime only stay up for a minute or for 15 - 20
minutes but it doesn't stay up at this time.
I hope telling my experience helps.
Love and Light, Autumn
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Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 01:38:37 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Paul <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: (no subject)
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On 4 Sep 1998, Paul wrote:
> Barbara,
>
> > We are responsible for out thoughts as well as our actions.
> > We are individuals, but we are not separate from the whole.
>
> This is illogical. Maybe that means it is true.
>
> You have got me thinking about paradox. It's sprung up in some other
> places lately. I think I am a sensible person, perfectly able to sense
> the world and to have common sense. But, now that it is being
> mentioned, I am wondering if there is more to things than just these
> sense-making approaches, like perhaps reality is totally nonsense.
> For, what you said above - individual and yet not seperate, is not
> something I can make sense of.
Paul when one says one is in true love with someone do u think one is
separate frm the other. If it is than if u r in love with the whole than
u r not separate frm it but u still r the individual.
And what I touched on in another
> message, was that the opposite of going with the flow is not
> necessarily any more spiritual. These dualistic models always seem to
> be totally paradoxical, if you truly get a sense of them. I am
> wondering if duality isn't a dormant aspect of non-duality, but let's
> not get too Buddhist about it.
>
> --
> Paul.
>
> IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
> WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
> E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
>
>
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 17:35:06 EDT
From: DonBBensonATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Kundalini Symposium
Message-ID: <b689234e.35f05d0aATnospamaol.com>
Received a flyer recently on the Kundalini Research Network's 7th
International Symposium < Understanding Kundalini: Quantum Evolution for the
New Millennium >. It is scheduled for October 15-18, 1998, at the Simpsonwood
Conference and Retreat Center in Norcross, Georgia.
Are any of you planning to attend?
Does anyone want more information posted from the flyer?
Don
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:01:33 EDT
From: GISLENNEATnospamaol.com
To: forest_eyesATnospamhotmail.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Kundalini/Lupus
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Hi Autumn
First i have to say I LOVE YOUR NAME!!!! It is absolutely beautiful!! My
favorite part of the year!! I can't wait till the Autumn comes!!
Now about your letter and your sharing, it is wonderful that you decided to
share your experience of your Awakening with us and me of course.
Telling your experience helps everyone who reads your post, especially the
ones who share your symptoms...it helps us to feel like we are not alone, like
we are not crazy..
Your experience sounds wonderful .........so pleasant!!!!
Keep writing and sharing....
Love and Light to you......Gislenne
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 18:09:03 EDT
From: GISLENNEATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, forest_eyesATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: List
Message-ID: <8c7d3737.35f064ffATnospamaol.com>
Hi again
When i read that post my heart dropped!! I thought they wanted me off the
list and I almost cried, I couldn't understand why.
I hope it was a mistake.
Thanks Autumn for at least responding to my post!!!!
Love and Light.gis
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 15:43:22 PDT
From: "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Energy Fluctuations
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> Your unconscious can show up as anything.. I know someone whose male
self
>shows up as a dragon, and I wrote to a guy yesterday who asked about
this
>giant blue woman with a claymore whom he has been having visions of..
Hee
>hee... he is Celtic.. I think she is a frost giant.
> It can show up as Shiva, or the Virgin Mary.. and this is not
illusion..
>thru the collective unconscious, it Is that.. it is everything.
> Because the mate is connected to the collective, and can show up as
>anything, it often will first introduce itself as a past life... and
very
>quickly attempt to seduce you. Since it controls your perceptions, this
can
>be a lotta fun!! Usually accompanied with k-fire blasts.. :)
^^^^^^^^^^^^^
What are those?
This has helped a lot in the past week, you've told me the same thing.
But here's an experience where I figured that balance was indeed
important:
This morning I get up and get dressed for work. Now, all of sudden my
stomach goes haywire again and have to go for relief. I was sitting
down almost half an hour for this, you know. It was really a pain, it
was just horrible. And I had to get a ride into work because I missed
the bus because of *that*. Anyways, I spent the next half hour
whispering obscenities vigorously at (Mary) Magdalene (the
representation of the "mate" you speak of). . . basically telling her to
go away, and not to bother me again - I've already had enough with my
body "rebelling".
I heard her say for a moment "Lord, what have I done?" She said
something else briefly, but I don't quite remember everything.
My response: "It's not what's she's done, it's what she failed to. It's
the things that she's been told to do, and never did; the things she's
been told *not* to do, and did anyway. She never stood up for me, she
never once cared about what I think, nor does she ever consider the fact
that I have feelings. All she does is block everything I plan to do,
she gets in the way all the time, and she does things without my
consent. I don't want her here anymore. She's just another witch. . ."
The last few days, she was slightly easier to get along with. She told
me my stomach problems were the result of her (and the power of
kundalini) cleaning it of unhealthy stuff - which may explain why
medicine for the most part has no effect on me anymore. I found myself
eating a lot less this week than in previous weeks, and my stomach
settles. Last night I had popcorn, some fried chicken, not much to do
harm, and this is the rude awakening I get in the morning. I can
understand the body's need to function well, but the timing is always
off - I don't have time to deal with it in the morning as I would later.
But the last straw is that I'm dealing with an unsympathetic figure.
As soon as I said what I said, I decided to abstain from eating. The
idea was to wait for my stomach to settle. I had pretzels late today.
No problem. So I gradually go back to normal diet now. And I don't
hear from her either, although there's that pull down there somewhere. .
.
I can't totally give up a part of me to my own detriment. I'm simply
not ready. There's going to balance with me - and it can only be
achieved through what I'm doing now. As soon as I'm satisfied that my
wishes are really being heard by the power within, then and only then
will I ever think about surrender.
Balance, not one-sided-ness, is the key. Just like man and woman should
be equal (more or less) on this earth, so both masculine and feminine
"aspects" be equal within.
- Hudson
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 16:42:14 PDT
From: "guy johnson" <tantriciskATnospamhotmail.com>
To: paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ice
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Hey: have to mention that the cube of ice is probably directly related
to k in that your recent experience of the dualism of nice, pleasant
face underscored by anger, frustration and darkness is symbolically
representing the opposite of fire, or k. When you see opposites, you
receive opposites as a message: wake up to them before you freeze to
death with judgement. I am floating on a massive validation of my
intent, so I send you a large blast of said momentum... hope you can
enjoy and receive the lightness and power of love that I am feeling.
truly, katrina
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>Hi.
>
>I had a dream this morning featuring a giant cube of ice. I figure
>this has no kundalini relevence because of course k is fire. But
>this leads me to ask why people keep associating it with fire just
>because many of the sensations are similar to heat. It's meant to be a
>serpent, and I have experienced it as whirlwinds and express trains,
>so I am not so sure why fire is such an important association. The
>kundalini resource center has all those flames featured at the top of
>its title page. Is fire related to k only by way of analogy and
>metaphor and ease of description or is there actually any foundation
>for saying that it is fire-related?
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:09:43 -0300
From: "Larry Schmitz" <taniaATnospamcentroin.com.br>
To: "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Energy Fluctuations
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Dear Hudson,
you wrote:
>This morning I get up and get dressed for work. Now, all of sudden my
>stomach goes haywire again and have to go for relief. I was sitting
>down almost half an hour for this, you know.
I haven't followed the whole exchange, but I take it you are in the middle
of K cleansing....That is exactly where I am. I also have commitments to
fulfill. What has worked for me is to have a sincere talk with my Higher
Self...explain that I am in no way
trying to force my will on the process....it is important to establish that
it is not my will, but Thy be done.....but, I found in explaining that I had
assumed commitments in the material world which needed to be fulfilled,
family to raise, etc., etc. we reached an
amicable solution....maybe this will also work for you. I don't think that
it is wise to
fight...I don't think that you can win.
best regards,
Larry Schmitz
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 18:58:32 PDT
From: "alan gaskins" <ravenkrossATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Starting Over
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Greetings Fellow K-Lights!
Just to let you know I have changed e-mail addresses, but it is
still I, Alan Gaskins, aka Ravenkross. I still have the other address
so if you have sent anything there, all is well.
In the Oneness.
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Date: Fri, 4 Sep 1998 22:01:07 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Ice
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Paul wrote:
>I had a dream this morning featuring a giant cube of ice.
Symbolically, ice has been defined as the rigid dividing-line between
consciousness and unconsciousness. (from Cirlot's "A Dictionary of
Symbols")
Ice---"Isa"---is also a rune that means stasis.
Sharon
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 19:36:43 -0800
From: v <vcooperATnospameagle.ptialaska.net>
To: nickynoodleATnospamnetrax.net
CC: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: thoughts
Message-ID: <35F0B1C8.6A01ATnospameagle.ptialaska.net>
right!
In the beginning was the Word, but before the word comes the thought &
after the thought comes the action(s)!
Thusly thoughts are *things* as emanated by actual brainwaves of varying
frequencies, the slower - the denser, the quicker - the more ethereal.
Thoughts can effect plants & children & other people who have buttons
pushed (or relieved) to carry out the affects in whatever fashion.
The best thing anybody can do for the world is to learn the mental
discipline to elevate & control their own thoughts, thusly affecting the
whole environment in a most beneficial *pro-active* direction!
:-)
vc
Barbara Alexander wrote:
>
> We are responsible for out thoughts as well as our actions.
> We are individuals, but we are not separate from the whole.
> It might do well to consider the consequences of our thoughts and
> actions on the universal body.
> Can a stone be cast into still water without causing ripples?
> Can we harm on part of the body without the rest of the body feeling the
> effects?
> It is not disagreement that is harmful, but the spirit behind it can be.
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:18:58 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: Energy Fluctuations
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Sometimes I wonder if there is any pain or problem that is NOT a
kundalini symptom! And it seems like I've had most of 'em even if not
to the extent that some suffer. I have had the stomach churning prob on
and off for 2 years. I was actually seriously sick for 3 months and
then it tapered off to something manageable by Mylanta and staying away
from certain foods. It is usually much worse in Spring. And it almost
always hits sometime in the morning. I got a lot of teasing about being
pregnant (ha ha so funny).
But these last few weeks, I have found that I can't eat the same things
I used to. More than one piece of chicken and it tastes sickening. I
don't like milk products that much any more although they used to be my
favorite. I have lost all craving for ice cream and chocolate. Milk
and sugar together (ie milk shakes or sugar cereal and milk) "burn" my
tongue. Cheese is OK but if I put one piece in my sandwich, the tastes
seems to overwhelm the other ingredients. And I am starting to crave
vegetables even though I used to hate them. Today, I went to the
grocery store and came back with not one single meat item. I don't
think that has ever happened before and it felt really strange. Looks
like I'm going to have to eat healthier whether I like or not!
-E
>
>The last few days, she was slightly easier to get along with. She told
>me my stomach problems were the result of her (and the power of
>kundalini) cleaning it of unhealthy stuff - which may explain why
>medicine for the most part has no effect on me anymore. I found myself
>eating a lot less this week than in previous weeks, and my stomach
>settles. Last night I had popcorn, some fried chicken, not much to do
>harm, and this is the rude awakening I get in the morning. I can
>understand the body's need to function well, but the timing is always
>off - I don't have time to deal with it in the morning as I would
later.
>But the last straw is that I'm dealing with an unsympathetic figure.
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Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 20:32:37 -0800
From: v <vcooperATnospameagle.ptialaska.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com References: 1" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: full moon
Message-ID: <35F0BEE0.6A1BATnospameagle.ptialaska.net>
whatever sign is this full moon in? It is a most pleasant sensation
suddenly earlier this aftnoon & tonight over up here...
:-)
vc
Date: Fri, 04 Sep 1998 21:43:11 -0800
From: v <vcooperATnospameagle.ptialaska.net>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: more on unrequited love
Message-ID: <35F0CF66.35F9ATnospameagle.ptialaska.net>
I am so strong suddenly in spirit - it is amazing!
I still have to see this guy every single day, & it is always a trip!
Amongst this current maelstrom of controversy, corruption, libel, &
being ripped off for being a right-brained artist & trusting people,
what hurts at the end of the day? the "unrequited love" still...
emotively, it is very very very very distracting. I have to pick up my
daughter from the school bus across from his art gallery shop Monday
thru Friday. Always I am just "all nerves" even though nothing is
happening overtly; it is like a "test", for the stage - will I be
"self-conscious" amongst the crowds of thronging tourists, or will I
hang my head & *pray*, ground myself, ground the radio station & art
shop - (why today I grounded the whole village with an intense & very
wide laser white light ray to the middle of the earth). Today Ketchikan
- Tomorrow the World!
I had the local library order that book ONE DAY MY SOUL JUST OPENED
UP, by Iyanla Vanzant, isbn# 0-684-84134-7, & - when I first looked at
it I scoffed, "ah, I already know this stuff!", But, being in my
possession, since the library has to special order it, I've been
flipping it open, like THE I CHING, & reading chapters in it, & it is
really an amazing book, & the woman is also amazing! She is an
African-American who has overcome IMMENSE odds upon her spiritual path,
& successful businesswoman & author. At one point she even stabbed an
ex-husband, & had to elevate above *that*! So - flipping to a chapter
has been very successful in telling what needs to be known, just at the
right time, in the right place.
From this full moon strength sitting here, suddenly my mind
constricted to *pain* - the "unrequited love" again. I wanted to ask,
"Is it so *wrong* to love someone who took away your friend & won't talk
to you, but only stare at you very intensely? Why can't I "take the
hint" & rectify any love/hate imaginative fantasies into a proper blase
order?" but I already *knew* the answer.I can love anybody I want, all I
want. There is just no expectations of returns within *love* anyway.
People are mostly NOT like God, where the baseline starts at "God
LOVES you!" (now deal with it). Maybe, the more like God they are, the
more there is a commonality in "brotherly love", at least. But when it
is like a polarized stand-off at the 'Okay Corral', & it's either love
OR hate, embedded in *ego* & questions of relative self-worth, with
hormones & lust & basic human emotional inadequacies involved, it is a
big sticky mess is love & hate & fear & bliss.
SO - if we love another mortal & hormones & magnetisms & just plain
lust becomes a factor, then our shadow side & unresolved traumas come to
light inciting fears & negativity. When we can just "love
unconditionally" with this power beyond agape & brotherly, we are really
truly "loving" - the very seeds of COMPASSION.
How better to strengthen this inspiration so it will imbue my soul &
not vacate or become misfiled later when I need it?
REAL LOVE - it is unconditional. All *expectations* are self-serving
& not condusive to a wholesome relationship.
Am I right? Any ideas?
:-)
sincerely
v
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"I talk to myself because I like dealing with a better class of people."
Jackie Mason
Valerie Cooper http://www.geocities/soho/7982/
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 03:14:27 EDT
From: RndmOneATnospamaol.com
To: vcooperATnospameagle.ptialaska.net, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: full moon
Message-ID: <ee540054.35f0e4d3ATnospamaol.com>
It's in the wonderful sign of Pisces!! Enjoy and dream to your heart's
content!=)
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 1998 14:27:46 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: Evelyn Niedbalec <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com,
kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Energy Fluctuations
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.3.93.980905142142.29525B-100000ATnospamBhaskara>
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I had stomach problem for around three months after i was in spirituality.
It nearly sort of killed me. After that i became sensitive to the food i
would take.
I also used to take chicken but it didn't suit me anymore and i
haven't touched it since 5 years frm now. For me milk or milk products is
not a problem but spices ,too much coffe and tea r.
Love,
Anurag
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