1998/09/01 18:42
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #622
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 622
Today's Topics:
Re: Regarding Petty Bickering [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Energy Fluctuations [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ Matija Papec <mpapecATnospamjagor.srce.hr> ]
perfect---was negative vibes [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ Matija Papec <mpapecATnospamjagor.srce.hr> ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ Matija Papec <mpapecATnospamjagor.srce.hr> ]
Energy flow [ "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotm ]
Warning-Positive Vibes [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: Energy flow [ "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: Energy Fluctuations [ nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net> ]
Re: Whole Life Expo - Reiki Treatmen [ flute <FluteATnospamcreate.org> ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ Matija Papec <mpapecATnospamjagor.srce.hr> ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ raptor <splackoATnospamkr.tel.hr> ]
Re: warning: negative vibes of Danij [ raptor <splackoATnospamkr.tel.hr> ]
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 14:47:24 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Regarding Petty Bickering
Message-ID: <511e641d.35ec413cATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 9/1/98 12:50:56 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<Well, interesting feedback -)
:-)
> My friend, when I was 3 years old and clairvoyant, you weren't there,
when I was 12 years old and trying to survive my first major
kundalini symptoms you weren't there. And since I practice
mindfulness day and night, and you came nowhere near my aura,
I must assume you can't know the truth of my present state.
Of course you are right... I wasn't there.
>I've travelled the world for years, I've been run over, I've been
shot at, and yes many times I've run away from things, but I am flat
out telling you, that in this case, your perceptions are not valid.
Ok. My perceptions are not valid.
Much Love,
xxxtg
* It's a good thing that I was born a woman, or I'd have been a drag queen *
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 00:21:35 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Kat" <kcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
Cc: <nancyATnospamwtp.net>, "kundalini-1" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Energy Fluctuations
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At 11:57 PM 31/08/98 -0400, Kat wrote:
>Hi Nancy!
>
>>I don't know if anyone else has had this experience, but here's what it
>>feels like. I am picking up knowledge that I really haven't earned the
>>right to know.
>
>Nancy! We never get knowledge that we have not earned. If you have gained
>knowledge you have earned it.
Yessssssss........
>
> I "get" things without having worked to get them.
Yes, that's how it works.. fun, isn't it? Your unconscious is connected
into the Jungian cosmic consciousness.. it already knows everything there
is to know, it's hooked in to Goddess.
It can absorb the entire info of a book, by reading the vibrations left
by other folks who have read it, and/or tapping into the unconscious of the
author.. like I do to counsel folks.. we are separate thru our ego
perceptions.. but thru the unconscious, we are all unified.
Intuition comes from your unconscious mind. The path of K. is to unify
the two parts, male-fem, thru surrendering the ego. As the ego surrenders,
great knowing comes forth from the depths.. where it has always been..
It does this all the time anyways, but it didn't have permission to let
you know it, before you became awakened..:)
So learning really is not learning, it is reminding ourselves of what we
know.. and when you mindfully open your self to the knowing of a thing, and
open to receiving the information.. you do know it..
As the veil becomes thinner, more and more things begin to speak to you..
touch a bag of coffee and see the sunlit field where it grew, the
temperament of the people who grew it.. yesterday a thread of silk told me
stories of silkworms and sunshine, and of chatting women and somebody's
husband..
Everything you touch, and everything you see, speaks to you to tell you
what it is like to be Goddess reflected as that..
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 22:04:36 +0200
From: Matija Papec <mpapecATnospamjagor.srce.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-ID: <35EC5354.3083ATnospamjagor.srce.hr>
Hello Nancy!
nancy wrote:
> > advice on this list, people with their questions and doubts.. maybe is
> > inner guru just hiding somewhere. ;)
> > ....
> > I'm saying
> > that one have to be purified enough to listen to inner voice.
>
> You become "purified" (whatever that means) by listening to the inner voice.
> Purified is such a ridiculous concept anyway. We are all pure and perfect. We
> forget who we are, that's all. I'm not some hidious wretch. I am all that is. We
> all are. But we doubt and manifest confusion, troubled thoughts, fear.
Something confuses me here.. maybe I have misunderstand you, but if we are so
pure and perfect, why we incarnate, why is there a learning process and where
it leads.. somehow it is hard to imagine something better then perfect.. um, did
I start sounding silly or what. :)
> It's during our times of doubt we may need support. Sometimes, when you experience
> the results of spiritual awakening, you can think you are going crazy. You have
> suggested that a wise guru is the place to turn. I don't have a problem with that
> if it's your choice. Others find the salvation they need through organized
> religion. Many here have found support through the k-list.
I agree with you, that's not questionable.
> Even thoough your words seem nice and conciliatory in your message, I find
Thank you. :)
> hostility oozing. Your winks and grins don't hide this.
Can't tell you about that, I know I was amused by Angeliques humorous
remarks about saints. ;))
--
emajl: mpapecATnospampublic.srce.hr
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:31:27 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: perfect---was negative vibes
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Matija,
You wrote:
>pure and perfect, why we incarnate, why is there a learning process and
where
>it leads.. somehow it is hard to imagine something better then perfect..
um, did
>I start sounding silly or what. :)
I think we are thoughts from God/dess sent out to experience. As such, we
_are_ God/dess. We vibrate at a slower rate in order to experience a state
that we perceive as linear time. The experiences that we gather in physical
life add to All That Is, for in my perception God/dess is not static but in
a continual state of becoming. After a while we remember a bit about what
we are, and with that first glimmering of memory we long to be unified with
God/dess again. The path to enlightenment is remembering the way back to
that one Mind.
Just my opinion.
Sharon
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Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 16:46:57 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: david.bozziATnospamsnet.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-ID: <129c266b.35ec5d41ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 9/1/98 12:59:49 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
david.bozziATnospamsnet.net writes:
< You are the Audience.You are Center Stage.
Be careful who you throw popcorn at.
David
(wiping butter and salt from eyes)>
Come...
sit by me
(you have your choice of seats)
I'll wipe the butter & salt from your eyes
(and then pour the whole tub over
your head if you gimme any lip)
Puckering up,
xxxtg
* I've been on so many blind dates, I should get a free dog *
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 15:06:34 -0600
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: Matija Papec <mpapecATnospamjagor.srce.hr>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-ID: <35EC61DA.FF962C3EATnospamwtp.net>
> but if we are so
> pure and perfect, why we incarnate, why is there a learning process and where
> it leads.. somehow it is hard to imagine something better then perfect.. um, did
> I start sounding silly or what. :)
No, you don't sound silly. I don't think we're here for a "learning" process. I think
we're here to understand isness. If we were born self-aware and remained that way, how
could we know how perfect we really are? That's what is so funny...we are experiencing
so we can know.
Have you ever seen the movie Good Will Hunting? Briefly, if you haven't, it's about a
young man who is so brilliant intellectually, but he has no wisdom to go along with his
intelligence. And he is afraid to really live to gain it. That's what it would be like
to be fully aware but without experience of living.
No lessons, just experience. I think that's the purpose. Simple! Beautiful! :-) (sincere
smile!)
> Can't tell you about that, I know I was amused by Angeliques humorous
> remarks about saints. ;))
If I mistook your amusement for hostility, I apologise.
Nancy
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:53:45 +0200
From: Matija Papec <mpapecATnospamjagor.srce.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-ID: <35EC6CE9.148AATnospamjagor.srce.hr>
David Bozzi wrote:
> > maybe is
> > inner guru just hiding somewhere. ;)
>
> Inner Guru never hides.Only you.
Exactly. The question is are we transparent enough for inner guidance.
--
emajl: mpapecATnospampublic.srce.hr
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 23:53:45 +0200
From: Matija Papec <mpapecATnospamjagor.srce.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-ID: <35EC6CE9.33B9ATnospamjagor.srce.hr>
David Bozzi wrote:
> > your describing of Danijel does not match
> > reality.
>
> You know Reality?(really?)
Why that capital letter spelling? I think you have misunderstand me. :(
> > Why? Because I never met more loving and cheerful person then
> > he is. :))
>
> I've heard this said about a golf player that killed two people.Never trust
> perception.
What a clumsy golf player. :) LOL :)))
> > anyone else in the group when some obvious foolish things were around.
> > So after all that was a good thing to do, but not pleasant for him or his
> > student).
>
> Who slaps Dan when he is foolish?
Tell me if I'm wrong, but do you have a wish to slap him?
> > inner guru is voice of God and IMHO, one should be completely
> > transparent for His will, meaning that only saints and Avatars have
> > such guru. :)
>
> Your god is an elitist.Your view is nothing more than a fundamentalists'.
Angelique have also mention something like that. The truth is that god
didn't tell me so, but that was from my observation (I have posted reply
but you probably miss it). Btw, I find your argumentation quite amazing. :( :))
> The crackpots that claim this exclusive status of 'sainthood' will eat you for
> dinner.
> (but you let them)
Thank you for your concern. <sigh>
--
emajl: mpapecATnospampublic.srce.hr
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 15:20:35 PDT
From: "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Energy flow
Message-ID: <19980901222036.21427.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Interesting thing I learned today. I found that if I stand up for quite
a while, I won't get as tired as often. I've been standing or walking
around yesterday and today in the office and I've only yawned a handful
of times.
Quite remarkable when one considers I usually sit at a desk for more
than half of a work day. That's when most of the yawning occurs, then I
feel weaker if it's a prolonged stretch of continuous yawning.
What could possibly be wrong with the kundalini here? Don't I have a
right to sit down at my desk and get my work down without having to yawn
so much?
- Hudson
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 18:21:40 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Warning-Positive Vibes
Message-ID: <35EC3B34.9465FDA5ATnospammhonline.net>
Beloved,
May the Lord's Peace,Joy and Love and Power be with you.
Amen Amen Amen
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 15:50:29 PDT
From: "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com
Subject: Re: Energy flow
Message-ID: <19980901225029.23758.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Everyones results are different, but simply not crossing your
legs will do much to improve the flow of the energy from the
earth (which may or may not be used for 'kundalini functions',
but in any case is essential to normal life functions.
-Kevin
>
>Interesting thing I learned today. I found that if I stand up for
quite
>a while, I won't get as tired as often. I've been standing or walking
>around yesterday and today in the office and I've only yawned a handful
>of times.
>
>Quite remarkable when one considers I usually sit at a desk for more
>than half of a work day. That's when most of the yawning occurs, then
I
>feel weaker if it's a prolonged stretch of continuous yawning.
>
>What could possibly be wrong with the kundalini here? Don't I have a
>right to sit down at my desk and get my work down without having to
yawn
>so much?
>
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 16:56:26 -0600
From: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
"kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Re: Energy Fluctuations
Message-ID: <35EC7B9A.72A6422AATnospamwtp.net>
Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
> Intuition comes from your unconscious mind. The path of K. is to unify
> the two parts, male-fem, thru surrendering the ego.
This is the second reference I have encountered today about this male-female
unification as it relates to k. Can you please explain it a little more?
I really feel odd today. I'm productively going about my day, but it's like I
feel like I'm ready to give birth to a new state of being for myself. I can
feel my body vibrate subtly as the energy circulates. I can also feel others'
energy wash over me.
I guess the one thing I've changed in the last couple of days is allowing
myself to feel those around me. Maybe that's what has caused this energy shift.
Once today, I started feeling the angst of someone as my own and I did what
Angelique suggested and said, "Goddess, this is for you." I swear I felt a
swoosh out the top of my head.
I'm feeling uncomfortable with this right now. Can anyone tell me--what is
going on?
Nancy
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 17:50:19 -0500
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 01:05:56 +0200
From: Matija Papec <mpapecATnospamjagor.srce.hr>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-ID: <35EC7DD4.219BATnospamjagor.srce.hr>
nancy wrote:
> > it leads.. somehow it is hard to imagine something better then perfect.. um, did
> > I start sounding silly or what. :)
>
> No, you don't sound silly. I don't think we're here for a "learning" process. I think
> we're here to understand isness. If we were born self-aware and remained that way, how
> could we know how perfect we really are? That's what is so funny...we are experiencing
> so we can know.
I must confess, this sounds really nice, but I have a need to work on
myself,
to be aware and experience more fully. Animals and plants also have
experiences,
but human is much greater potential.. why not use it? :)
> Have you ever seen the movie Good Will Hunting? Briefly, if you haven't, it's about a
> young man who is so brilliant intellectually, but he has no wisdom to go along with his
> intelligence. And he is afraid to really live to gain it. That's what it would be like
> to be fully aware but without experience of living.
Yes, I think, I have a clue what are you thinking about.
> No lessons, just experience. I think that's the purpose. Simple! Beautiful! :-) (sincere
> smile!)
Now you got me, I have to see this movie. :))
> > Can't tell you about that, I know I was amused by Angeliques humorous
> > remarks about saints. ;))
>
> If I mistook your amusement for hostility, I apologise.
:* <blush> :)))))
--
emajl: mpapecATnospampublic.srce.hr
Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 02:00:14 +0200
From: raptor <splackoATnospamkr.tel.hr>
To: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
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At 04:59 PM 9/1/98 +0000, Paul wrote:
>> I am sure that
>> you all will find his report to be very interesting...
>
>Never, ever, does a person see anything other than themself. You are
>looking at yourself. YOU will find the report interesting.
>
>> MY hostility? ;))) Oh most kind, understanding, non-hostile, gentle friend,
>> please forgive me, but you are talking about yourself...
>
>And this is a deception. Whenever I see myself telling somebody else
>what they're doing wrong I know it's a deception because I am only
>trying to avoid the fact that I am doing precicely what I am telling
>them they are doing. You are doing this also. You are a go-between. It
>may be egotistical or sound egotistical but I wish to come to God
>directly not via some guru or teacher-man. You have people on a leash
>and are abusing your position.
:) Very nice, Paul, you have been learning some things, as I can see..and
some said ugly things about you. :))
However, you are wrong at several claims. ;)
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Date: Wed, 02 Sep 1998 02:17:03 +0200
From: raptor <splackoATnospamkr.tel.hr>
To: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>,
Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, Dharma <annfisherATnospamstic.net>
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes of Danijel...
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At 07:58 PM 8/31/98 -0700, Mystress Angelique Serpent wrote:
>At 09:26 PM 31/08/98 +0200, Danijel Turina wrote:
>>At 01:13 1998.08.31 -0500, Ann Morrison Fisher wrote:
>>walk or a cup of hot chocholate - are here on the list; Sasa Placko, Matija
>>Papec, Bozo Juretic, and others I guess (Zoran, are you subscribed?;), and
>>I really am not afraid of a real-life test of what I'm all about. Those
>>people can probably provide a picture of me that might differ from the
>>caricature you have created. Oh yes, I probably hypnotised them too...
>
> Whatever.. I have noticed your students joining the list just lately..
>right after Dharma told you she was going back to Shamanism and would no
>longer be seeking your advice.. Figgered you were probably "calling out
>the troops", and going for some kind of "Shoot out at the OK Corral" thing.
>LOL! Seems like a waste of bandwidth to me.. but I know you enjoy that kind
>of thing.. (shrug) Why somebody supposedly without an ego, needs an army of
>defenders to protect that non-existent ego, I am not sure...;)
This is untrue. I myself have been on this list for a year and a half now,
and Danijel is the one who told me about the list, so I'd say that his
statement of two years is true.
> Dharma is going to be on a train for the next two days, till she gets
>here, so she cannot speak up for herself just now.. I'll lend her my
>computer if she has anything to say, but I think we'll mostly be too busy
>for email.
It'd be nice to hear her oppinions about this. :)
(yes, I KNOW what she'll say:))
> I am not the least bit concerned, coz I'm sure most of the wiser folks
>on the list, already _know_ what you are all about...:) LOL!!
;))) Or what you think Danijel is about. ;) :>
> And now Dharma has gently warned the naive newbies, so all is well. I can
>die in peace.. (chuckle)
;))))))
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