1998/09/01 11:49
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #621
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 621
Today's Topics:
Energy problems [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
Re: Energy problems [ MoonrisempATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Energy problems [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Regarding Petty Bickering [ "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.co ]
petty bickering [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: love and hate [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: Loving and Being Love [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: Regarding Petty Bickering [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Regarding Petty Bickering [ "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: warning: negative vibes [ David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net> ]
Re: Energy Fluctuations [ Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iis ]
Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #620 [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:19:46 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Energy problems
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Hi,
I would appreciate any advice, tips, etc. on this problem.
I got sick last April and really depleted of energy. Then my energy slowly
built up until a few days before my husband had surgery in July. At that
time I began to get weaker and weaker starting three days before his
surgery. I reached a low ebb the morning of his operation and I could
barely summon enough energy to walk across the room. It took quite a while
for me to regain strength.
Later my channel, Tomm, told me that I had been sending my husband energy
from my own supply while I slept. This was totally unconscious on my part.
Further, he told me that during my April illness I was frantically drawing
in huge amounts of energy and just as frantically sending it out to others.
He said that the energy would attempt to return to me to do its job of
healing, but then I would send it out again. This created a chaotic
condition where people online and in person were getting dizzy when they
were in contact with me. Tomm also told me that I was shutting off the
source when I woke and was going around with only self-contained energy
during the day. He said I was replenishing only at night.
I tried using affirmations and hypnosis to remind myself to stay open to my
source.
Last week, my energy was pretty high...until late Friday. My daughter was
scheduled for surgery on Monday morning. Saturday and Sunday I felt more
and more drained...and by Monday (you guessed it) I could barely get around.
I realized then that I was repeating a pattern. I consciously began to
replenish my energy and by Monday night I was much better.
I am quite sure that these were not simply stress reactions. I know
ordinary stress when I feel it and I was not nervous or apprehensive about
these two operations. I think I was indeed sending them energy from my own
body. Now I KNOW that when energy is sent, it is supposed to come from the
source and go through me and not deplete me, but I seem to have gotten
myself into some unconscious situation where I am sending it out from my own
energy stores while I sleep. Soooooo....my question is, does anyone have
any suggestions that I can use to help with this?
Love,
Sharon
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 11:55:48 EDT
From: MoonrisempATnospamaol.com
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Energy problems
Message-ID: <85d141a9.35ec1904ATnospamaol.com>
Sharon, Love your website by the way!
I used to have this problem and what I do is every morning and evening and any
other time of the day that I feel like I need it, I put a bubble of White
Light around me and ask to be protected and I can feel the energy. I also will
periodically sit in a relaxed mode and put a yellow sunshine filter on my
solar plexus chakra and call back all my energy. I also request that the
Universe send the energy back to all those people that have taken mine. I find
it is easy to think of someone or care for someone and to give them my energy.
Since I am a Reiki Master and Massage therapist, I am in other's energy fields
all day. I found the Reiki helps also.
You do not have to be trained in Reiki to ask the Universe to send energy to
others. I love and care for people and send them energy from the Universe(
God, Goddess, Angels, Masters, etc.) instead of my energy. That way, I have
the energy I need and can be of more help to others and not get depleted. We
must remember to take care of ourselves first, then others. We are of no help
if we are giving ourselves away. I used to think I needed to give my energy
and not ask for help. I find when I ask for help, there is this Joy I feel,
because I have asked. It has been hard for me to ask anyone for help. The
Angels love to help and will. We just have to ask, they will not interfere or
intercede without our permission.
Another recent development for me was that I put my Higher Self in charge of
my life. I had a "helper" wanting to work on the Business end of my life and
directed me to go there. I had another working on relationships, I felt they
did not go together, so I told all of them that they have to go through my
Higher Self. It seems to have given me more energy and a renewed clarity on my
goals and life is flowing more. I send healing to people all the time, not
mine, the Universe's. I have more energy. Feel better and life flows better.
Hope this helps,
Barbara
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:06:24 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: shawebbATnospamyhc.edu, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Energy problems
Message-ID: <3608d60b.35ec1b80ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 9/1/98 11:20:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time, shawebbATnospamyhc.edu
writes:
<< Now I KNOW that when energy is sent, it is supposed to come from the
source and go through me and not deplete me, but I seem to have gotten
myself into some unconscious situation where I am sending it out from my own
energy stores while I sleep. Soooooo....my question is, does anyone have
any suggestions that I can use to help with this?
You are right when you say energy is to come from The Source.
Sometimes we forget what our #1 focus should be on - God. We begin focusing
on our desires, ie "I want my daughter/hubby to be well", "I want this man",
"I want to be healthy, or have a great bod", "I want this job", "I want to be
well instead of sick."
All of these are desires. These are not what we REALLY want. Underneith it
all, what we really want is God, and this desire for God/Oneness is being
projected out into the world for all our different *desires*.
Forget about them. Give yourSelf what you really want. Focus on God 24 hours
a day if you have to. Everytime you think about your desires 'out there', no
matter how important you think they are, bring it back to the correct focus.
When the separation from God has been corrected, then things just fall into
place. You need do nothing but this. Know that ALL 'problems', ALL desires,
are merely ALL one problem -- a separation from God.
Much Love to you Sharon,
xxxtg
* Please don't drive when you're not driving *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 09:07:38 PDT
From: "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Regarding Petty Bickering
Message-ID: <19980901160738.22124.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Hi folks,
I just wanted to submit a request that all the petty bickering
and personality wars might better be kept private?
I don't know what my esteemed list-mates are going through,
but Shakti has been restructuring my left lower heart valve over
the last few days, and has been modifying my brain stem too.
I've been told to avoid conflict (even to the level of
'giving up Star Trek on TV - can you believe that) ?
I'd like to keep reading the sometimes wise words, and listen to
the heart-felt experiences of my list-mates, but if the noise
level doesn't go down, I'll probably have to temporarily
unsubscribe (I realize that this is my issue, I don't want or
expect to exert any 'influence').
Just an appeal that we treat each other with kindness and gentleness.
-Kevin
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:15:54 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: petty bickering
Message-ID: <35EBE579.B41BC3D3ATnospammhonline.net>
Pure Heart,
I second the motion. And there's the answer right under my nose.
Make sure the subject matter reads "petty bickering", "or dog fight on
the inner planes", what ever you like and then we can see at a glance
and proceed.
Thank you,
More Light.
Date: 1 Sep 98 16:27:07 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: love and hate
Message-Id: <OUT-35EC205B.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
SvnElvn972,
> My name is Preston and I live in Dallas, TX. I am *brand* new to this post as
> of last evening, and have spent some time this morning purusing the many posts
> that I have already received. I must say, that what I had read so far was
> pretty uninteresting, these women fighting amongst themselves was taking me to
> the point of sending the "unsubscribe" message!!
>
> But, then I came across yours, Love and Hate, and it changed my mind!!
Ah, a successful redemption at last :-)
> It was
> a very nice post, and yes, your energy was flowing!!! <laugh> But I sensed
> that you are a sensitive guy who is wanting to live a life that more closely
> is aligned with the One.
This is true. I love peace and am quite unsettled by the way most
people behave.
> I'm an Aries, and can see, that I can relate to a
> lot of your feelings.
Yes. I heard that Aries is the first sign of the zodiac. I am a Taurus
as I said and I read that this means I am kind of emerging into the
world, feeling my way, tactile, experimental, that kind of thing. I am
not altogether happy about coming into the world.
> Thus, it has been my conscious effort to live more like the One that has
> brought me to this list.
So you are interested in living the characteristics of the one in your
life? I know that I am. Idealist. I want there to be peace on Earth
and am sensitive to what would be nothing of much importance to other
people, which in some ways is detrimental.
> My question to you is it appears that you
> have experienced Kundalini, how did it happen? How did you know it was
> happening? What did it feel like (the sensation)?
I didn't know what it was at first. Part of what it does is, over
time, reveal itself more and more to you so you get to know it more.
It still surprises me sometimes. There are all sorts of different
sensations ranging from having an express train run through you, or
over you, to very `hot' spots, and vibrations and tingles and `creepy
crawlies' and massaging fingers. One characteristic that I have seen
to be dominant in all the experiences, however, is the very `on off'
nature of it. When it switches on it does not accelerate, it just
starts at full power, as it were. And it can stop equally abruptly. I
have noticed sometimes that if I have thoughts while it is occuring
the thought acts as a hinderence and the energy switches off. Only on
ceasing to think does it restart again. In this way the individual has
at least some control. It's not a forceful thing.
> From your writing, you appear not to be a guy who would find these questions
> inane and sophomoric!! Hope you will respond.
I don't know what those two words mean - inane and sophomoric. Perhaps
you can explain.
Do you find yourself to be a peacemake, mediator sort of person. I
know that I am. I am always trying to calm things down. I notice that
the reason I am so good at this is that I am so bloody stubborn. I
suppose there is a stubborn quality to meditation although I don't
know that this is the same thing.
Do you have kundalini happening to you?
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 1 Sep 98 17:29:17 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Loving and Being Love
Message-Id: <OUT-35EC2EC6.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
UweJohann,
> Last week on monday I woke up early in the morning, after a sleeples
> weekend, vibrations started to go throu my body. A strange feeling of realy,
> realy evil was present and was drawing up my legs. I woke up complete and the
> name of the most evil i can imagine remains in my mind. I was shocked. The
> vibration stoped and I was afraid.
Fear not. Possibly while k was waking up for me and hadn't really
introduced itself, I kept encountering something most terrifying in my
dreams. As soon as it saw me it rushed at me and the way that I
perceived it with my consciousness was to experience it as being very
evil, I was very afraid of it. I would wake up in the night or early
morning and be terrified, sometimes in paralysis. It happened first
when I was very young, maybe about age 7, when I would observe there
being a great monster that would charge down the stairs at me from
`above', almost floating, and I would be totally terrified of it. That
was the way I viewed God at the time, what it means to me in my
unconsciousness.
Around age 14-17 the night terrors returned on occasion but not as
intensely. Then at about 19 everything suddenly went crazy and
everything was up in the air. I had very serious night terrors again,
esperiences of presences and entities. On one occasion I seemed to be
adrift and a white being carried me back into my body. I woke in a
state of terror. Over time I had further dreams in which there was
this entity or being that immediately scared me every time. But over
time I grew to understand it and I think I can now say that it has
stopped for good, unless this is yet another way that k is getting me
to be rid of all blockages so that it can put in an appearence.
Anyway, I started to learn that the fear is a bodily thing, as though
the body itself as a living thing is scared of those spiritual
persuits or meditative states or altered states of consciousness
because to it is means death. Or perhaps it was my ego within the
body, but of course mind and body are interfaced so it was always for
me a bodily experience also. Over time it just died down and behind
that horrific entity there emerged an ever-brightening light.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: 1 Sep 98 16:59:44 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-Id: <OUT-35EC2800.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Danijel,
I'm not sure you can read this message as you insist on filtering me
out but that's up to you.
> I am sure that
> you all will find his report to be very interesting...
Never, ever, does a person see anything other than themself. You are
looking at yourself. YOU will find the report interesting.
> MY hostility? ;))) Oh most kind, understanding, non-hostile, gentle friend,
> please forgive me, but you are talking about yourself...
And this is a deception. Whenever I see myself telling somebody else
what they're doing wrong I know it's a deception because I am only
trying to avoid the fact that I am doing precicely what I am telling
them they are doing. You are doing this also. You are a go-between. It
may be egotistical or sound egotistical but I wish to come to God
directly not via some guru or teacher-man. You have people on a leash
and are abusing your position.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 12:34:50 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Regarding Petty Bickering
Message-ID: <54130225.35ec222aATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 9/1/98 12:10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com writes:
< I've been told to avoid conflict (even to the level of
'giving up Star Trek on TV - can you believe that) ?
No I can't, even though I believe there are people out there that do. The
giving up Star Trek is BS. How does one avoid conflict? Denial? Running
away from it? Painting pink paint all over it to make it look good? Someone
told you to avoid conflict? Then do it, but do it the right way, not the
cowards way. This is all part of it.
>I'd like to keep reading the sometimes wise words, and listen to
the heart-felt experiences of my list-mates,
This is the heart-felt experiences of your list-mates. Don't run away from
it! Look at it! Love it anyway!
Kevin, you've run away from things your whole life - it's time to stop running
(and unsubbing) and see what it is you are actually running from. You told
me you were ready to jump. Now jump.
Can't do it? Ask yourSelf for a better way of seeing, a new perspective,
looking through the eyes of Love instead of fear. Be willing to see. It only
takes a little willingness. Focus on God which is Love, not fear.
> Just an appeal that we treat each other with kindness and gentleness.
Sorry... no kindness and gentleness at this time. I will not submit to nor
support your's nor anyone else's fear - THAT would not be kind. I will
support your Spirit who sees through the eyes of Love. I love you and know
you can do it.
Carry on,
xxxtg
* Hell, there are no rules here -- we're trying to accomplish something *
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 09:50:53 PDT
From: "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com>
To: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Regarding Petty Bickering
Message-ID: <19980901165053.29937.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Well, interesting feedback -)
In the interests of not generating the kind of petty bickering
I was speaking of, I'll not directly respond point by point -)
My friend, when I was 3 years old and clairvoyant, you weren't there,
when I was 12 years old and trying to survive my first major
kundalini symptoms you weren't there. And since I practice
mindfulness day and night, and you came nowhere near my aura,
I must assume you can't know the truth of my present state.
I've travelled the world for years, I've been run over, I've been
shot at, and yes many times I've run away from things, but I am flat
out telling you, that in this case, your perceptions are not valid.
I do thank you for being concerned, and I quite agree that at times,
the most loving thing that can be done is to 'cry bullshit'.
Regards,
Kevin
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>
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>In a message dated 9/1/98 12:10:40 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
>pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com writes:
>
>< I've been told to avoid conflict (even to the level of
> 'giving up Star Trek on TV - can you believe that) ?
>
>No I can't, even though I believe there are people out there that do.
The
>giving up Star Trek is BS. How does one avoid conflict? Denial?
Running
>away from it? Painting pink paint all over it to make it look good?
Someone
>told you to avoid conflict? Then do it, but do it the right way, not
the
>cowards way. This is all part of it.
>
> >I'd like to keep reading the sometimes wise words, and listen to
> the heart-felt experiences of my list-mates,
>
>This is the heart-felt experiences of your list-mates. Don't run away
from
>it! Look at it! Love it anyway!
>
>Kevin, you've run away from things your whole life - it's time to stop
running
>(and unsubbing) and see what it is you are actually running from. You
told
>me you were ready to jump. Now jump.
>
>Can't do it? Ask yourSelf for a better way of seeing, a new
perspective,
>looking through the eyes of Love instead of fear. Be willing to see.
It only
>takes a little willingness. Focus on God which is Love, not fear.
>
>> Just an appeal that we treat each other with kindness and gentleness.
>
>Sorry... no kindness and gentleness at this time. I will not submit to
nor
>support your's nor anyone else's fear - THAT would not be kind. I will
>support your Spirit who sees through the eyes of Love. I love you and
know
>you can do it.
>
>Carry on,
>xxxtg
>
>
>* Hell, there are no rules here -- we're trying to accomplish
something *
>
>http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html
>
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Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:36:01 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-ID: <35EC2270.7FBC36DCATnospammail.snet.net>
Matija Papec wrote:
> your describing of Danijel does not match
> reality.
You know Reality?(really?)
> Why? Because I never met more loving and cheerful person then
> he is. :))
I've heard this said about a golf player that killed two people.Never trust
perception.
> Sure, there was a couple of times when he slapped (verbally) me or,
> anyone else in the group when some obvious foolish things were around.
> So after all that was a good thing to do, but not pleasant for him or his
> student).
Who slaps Dan when he is foolish?
> inner guru is voice of God and IMHO, one should be completely
> transparent for His will, meaning that only saints and Avatars have
> such guru. :)
Your god is an elitist.Your view is nothing more than a fundamentalists'.
The crackpots that claim this exclusive status of 'sainthood' will eat you for
dinner.
(but you let them)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:56:42 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-ID: <35EC274A.7A60A3C2ATnospammail.snet.net>
Danijel Turina wrote:
> Choose realities? Well, the pure logic would suggest that there is reality
> and there is non-reality, reality is what is and non-reality is what is
> not. What Ann and Angelique say is not, it doesn't match the facts and
> therefore is a non-reality.
What does Reality have to do with someones' perception?Surely you perceive
differently.
> I've been thinking about getting some of my friends to delurk and start
> writing here for some time now, and this seems to be as good an opportunity
> as any.
Cowards do this.
> It is not that I need a defense from something -
You certainly do not believe that.
> personally I just
> smile to that stuff, ignore, and write something worth writing.
When will that be?Better stick with smile and ignore.
> I have much better things to do with my
> time than to respond to every bit of negative stuff that someone said about
> me.
Agreed. You could use time in a much better way.But you'd have to abandon your
self importance.
> My motivations here were a bit different.
You are deluding yourself.
> MY hostility? ;))) Oh most kind, understanding, non-hostile, gentle friend,
> please forgive me, but you are talking about yourself...
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 12:59:06 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-ID: <35EC27DA.DF0E0345ATnospammail.snet.net>
Matija Papec wrote:
> maybe is
> inner guru just hiding somewhere. ;)
Inner Guru never hides.Only you.
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:02:37 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-ID: <35EC28AD.E686726DATnospammail.snet.net>
ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com wrote:
> Sit back, relax, enjoy the show, and throw popcorn at the screen whenever you
> feel like it!
You are the Audience.You are Center Stage.
Be careful who you throw popcorn at.
David
(wiping butter and salt from eyes)
Date: Tue, 01 Sep 1998 13:07:41 -0400
From: David Bozzi <david.bozziATnospamsnet.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: warning: negative vibes
Message-ID: <35EC29DD.BEF0787BATnospammail.snet.net>
Danijel Turina wrote:
> There is the inner guru... I sure know, coz I've been studdying with him,
> but when I come to a crossroads, I really would give an arm and a leg for a
> signal amplifier (read: incarnate guru). :)
But would you be willing to surrender your arrogance?
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 21:19:00 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel <anuragATnospamBhaskara.ee.iisc.ernet.in>
To: nancy <nancyATnospamwtp.net>
cc: kundalini-1 <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Energy Fluctuations
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>
> Anurag Goel wrote:
>
> > Yes , it is said that when Vishhudha
> > Chakra awakens the knowledge in this world directly comes to one.
> > Particularly one will excel in one's field of work/study.
>
> Pardon my ignorance, but what is the vishudha chakra? Is that third eye or
> crown?
It's the throat chakra. May be it's that when Vishuddha chakra is fully
awakenend MAA SARASWATI (the goddess of knowledge resides in the KANTH).
love,
anurag
Date: Tue, 1 Sep 1998 13:15:39 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
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Subject: Re: kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #620
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dan-ee-gel penned in some strange state of mind:
D:Choose realities? Well, the pure logic would suggest that there is
reality
and there is non-reality, reality is what is and non-reality is what is
not. What Ann and Angelique say is not, it doesn't match the facts and
therefore is a non-reality. Simple, no big phillosophical issues in it.
Janpa> when you make something, something else is made too its lack. so if
you make 'reality' then there is yes, non-reality. why make such stuff in
the first place?
D> I've been thinking about getting some of my friends to delurk and start
writing here for some time now, and this seems to be as good an opportunity
as any. It is not that I need a defense from something - personally I just
smile to that stuff, ignore, and write something worth writing. This
situation is no different, and I really think that Sasa, Matija, Domchi and
others have much to offer to the list; Felix wants to join, too, but his
English isn't good enough for writing so we have to figure out a way to
translate his texts in a way that will leave the original meaning unharmed.
janpa> ok. but why? to prove one is right is a path to proving just how
wrong one is.
D>
:)) Well, what is obvious to you, might prove to be the obvious nonsense,
at one point... You see, this is not the first time that a student of mine
went against me, it happened before on the same, identical pattern... And I
find it very amusing to know the final result in advance. At one point they
figure out what I was showing them, snap out of the rebellion, and the guys
who used their problems to fuel their frustrations about me, well, they
find themselves in a very unfavorable situation. That is why I'm really
having a nice time watching what Angelique is doing, I am patient enough to
wait for it all to blow off... it might take months or even years, but I
have enough time. Having _that_ in mind, guess again why did I bring this
up. It is irrelevant! Pure trivia, not worth the time to respond. What
matters is that there are people on this list who might represent some
alternative views, that might easily question some perspectives that are
usualy taken for granted here. And that is something that I really find
worth the fuss.
janpa> having to state one's patience is imo, a crazy cry of 'please, i'm
patient, please i'm kind'. the fact you took the time to respond does mean
it matters to you, that it bothers you.
D>I am IGNORING her. The woman is frustrated, unbalanced, her spiritual
achievements are questionable, as are her motives, and the sincerity of
Janpa> true ignorance doesnt state that it is that ;). but here it is
stated quite well imo.
This thread confirms something to me, desire is bad, desire to be right,
desire to be 'patient'.
i know that i am crazy, lazy, out of control, stupid and sometimes not
capable of stringing two thoughts together.
now if i could just perfect the crazy part..... crazy wisdom! that sounds
fun.
ommanipadmehung,
--janpa the ameoba
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