1998/08/28 15:30
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #607
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 607
Today's Topics: Re: kundalini [ Zarko Kecman ]
Re: August? [ MoonrisempATnospamaol.com ] Re: Ego [ "Sharon Webb" ]
Re: Stuck in rut [ Anurag Goel ] Fw: Deep Breathing [ "Kat" ]
Fw: Christianity and Kundalini Not a [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ] test [ Maureen Heffernan
To: lydiamATnospamflash.net CC: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
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lydiamATnospamflash.net wrote:
Dear Zarko, Thank-you for sharing your experiences. I am just
learing about Kundalini. Stories like yours help me to learn more. Peace to you my friend,
flutter Dear freand. I am read your message 'stuck in the root'. Your start
is beautifully Be patient for explanation. Please send me your mind. Describe how you feel. Depression, unhappiness,
lost sense of life or what you doing 'meditation for example'. All this about meditation is shit or whatever.
Maybe you can find yourself in this story (my story) :))
My first touch of meditation is not book of training. No. First I am
read a book of Milerapa (or what ever he called:)), Tibet's lamas, then Bardo Thodol (like a 14years old boy I carry this book everywhere. I don't
know why). //i will kill my self using this spelling :((//
From my 14year until 19 I was interesting about meditation and mystical things, but not for real. You know what I mean. In this period have one
astral experience. (See me on bed but I am not in my body. About 15 seconds) (This is maybe interesting for you.) When I was 19 years old I was
start to examine meditation in practical way very hard and everyday. Have happiness. Feel great. Something new in my life what I searching seems
all my life. Some strange energy enter in me, fueled me all. Every day happened something new. Spot of light between my eyes. Dissolving of my
body. Putting my hand 1 meter from someone. He feel my energy. I can from distance draw with my finger on him. He feel this. But this is not what
I want to tell you. (don't get me egoistic) What I wont to tell you is that I was have same filling, before 2-3
year, like 'Is there any sense of doing this. This is foolish' I found out what is this thing when you fill like this.Very fanny.
Ego found that you denial him for boss. You don't need to believe me. You will found out this on your skin and there is only one way to pass
through this period. To believe in yourself, not in intellect. Be a hard believer. Believe in golden path of Kundalini and God. This is same thing.
God give this to us. This is only short time of Depression. And this is only beginning of problem. We are full of copmplecs. We all have psychological
problems in ourselves. It's not hard to wake up Kundalini. NO. This is simple and one boy in Belgrade is doing this for six month. Now he is in
hospital. He have madness because he push so hard. He didn't listen the voice from his heart. Kundalini has breaking him a part.
Kundalini is alive. She will wake up when time come. BUT YOU MUST PREPARE PATH FOR SHE. AND DON'T PUSH SHE.
You can't think in positive way. YOU MUST BE POSITIVE WAY. Believe me, and try. Don't do anything and expect something else for it. Don't
be good and say 'What's for me.' Kundalini is one superlative. What you fell and what you mean She make million of it.
When you ask yourself 'Is there any sense of this' this is good beginning. EXPERIENCES will come. Just keep going. Training is not only what you must
do. Not even meditation. When you walk, when you work, when you eat. Live this moment. Not yesterday or tomorrow. Just this moment. You are on planet
Earth, You are one in the universe. You are unique like all of us. Read the spiritual book of spiritual teachers. His life story.
This will rise up your energy.
JUST KEEP GOING MY FREAND. The door to God is not locked from his side. We are lost the key. He expected us, and I was felt his hug.
Now I have questions for other. In my meditation from time to time I
have strange senses. Like that something will pull me in my agja chakra. Like you closing fan. Or spontaneity mula bandha. Or dissolving. Every
time when experiences is come there was 'bang' sound behind my head. This break my concetration and my maditation. One good spiritual freand told
me that this is ego game. He now doing everything to disturb me. Is there anybody have same situation. How he is break trough this.
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:01:40 EDT From: MoonrisempATnospamaol.com
To: hjackson2ATnospamHOTMAIL.COM, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com Subject: Re: August?
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Hey,
I was th one that said I was moving to the west. I do not remember saying I would not feel so tired. I feel much lighter under the wide open skies. I feel
very closed down here in the east. Jacksonville, FL. We are at sea level here and it is hot and humid. I went to New Orleans recently and it was even more
humid and hot. They told me that it was below sea level. I have a theory that the higher you go, the more open and the lighter you feel. It is from my
experience that I speak. I feel more alive in AZ and that is where I am relocating to in Oct.
Also, I am about to start to teach my last basic astrology class here in Jax.
I agree with Mystress. August is the Lion (Sun) and Virgin (Mercury). Virgin is the symbol of Harvest. What you put out there returns to you. I have some
times of the year too that are really signifcant to me also.
Each person picks the time/date of their arrival to support them here on earth to work through Karma and to accomplish some of their life goals. I do not
feel we just showed up by accident. I understand a lot of my chart and it helps immensely. All life is a cycle. It has helped me get through a lot.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Barbara
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:16:17 -0400 From: "Sharon Webb"
To: "Wonderer" , Cc: "Kundalini"
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Cathy wrote: >>If one wants to discuss spirituality, how can it be considered
healthy to censor discussion of the Holy Bible?
Cathy, there are many forums on the net which discuss sacred texts, whether the Bible or the Koran or what have you. The kundalini list, IMO, is not
the place for determining how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. The k list is NOT a forum for discussing spirituality in its broadest terms;
the k list is a very specific forum intended to discuss kundalini in all its aspects, and kundalini only.
The k list is intended to be many things: a forum to discuss the phenomenon
of kundalini, its manifestations and symptoms and how to cope with them. It offers exercises which help the flow of k, and advice on how to alleviate
the blockages which hinder its flow. The list also acts as a helping group, easing the way for many newer people, or for those experiencing sudden odd
or dismaying manifestations which they need help with. It is a place to share these unusual occurrences, a place to know that you are not alone.
A mention from a sacred text is appropriate IF it directly pertains to
kundalini. Since east Indian and Buddhist texts often, but not always, directly address this matter, you will see them often on this list. General
discussion of the bible is, in this forum, simply off topic. Please take these discussions to the appropriate list, but do not offer them here.
The k list is NEVER the place to advance religious or political dogma
regardless of the source, nor is it a place to proselytize ANY form of religious belief.
There are many many forums in which to discuss Christianity if that's what
you want to do. There is only one kundalini list and we are rather jealous of our bandwidth. There are not so many of us in the world after all, not
so many we can discuss these intimate things with. This list has been credited with helping keep some from the depths of madness, while others,
including myself, first came to it in a state of great confusion and fear about the occurrences in our lives.
Please understand that these restrictions are not meant to "put down"
Christianity or another other belief system. They are not meant to restrict your free speech or anyone else's free speech. Also, please understand that
this list is not a Christian list, nor is it a Buddhist or Sufi list. There are Wiccans on the k-list and NeoPagans. Surprisingly perhaps, there are
agnostics and even atheists here, too. There are many who follow no religion. You can see how this list would degenerate into a hopeless Tower
of Babel if it were considered a forum to quote various scriptures and proselytize each other into a pet belief system.
These restrictions to the k list are simply expedient; they address the
special needs of a small community which desperately needs this special focus in order for us to carry on with our lives in the best way that we
can.
Love, Sharon
Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 00:53:31 +0530 (IST) From: Anurag Goel
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Think that u have to know and experience the supreme through kundalini and if u r lazy in that how will u reach that goal before ur death. Time is
ticking away second by second , day by day. Think why r u awakening ur kundalini?
Love,
anurag
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998 lydiamATnospamflash.net wrote:
> Help!! I need motivation. For some reason or another I can't seem to stay > motivated enough to practice Kundalini daily like I should. I very much
> want to knowlege and insight on all of this. It's as though I have > something inside of me making me feel complacent about where I am
> spiritually. At first I was excited about what I had found with Kundalini > and now it is like I have gone back to sleep inside. What can I do? Also,
> do certain food cravings like sugar and carbohydrates have anything to do > with this?
> flutter >
> Date: Sat, 29 Aug 1998 01:04:21 +0530 (IST)
From: Anurag Goel To: Andrew Alcott Shaver
cc: nancy , kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com Subject: Re: "insomnia"
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Whoeever is suffering frm sleeplessness try shava asana while sleeping and
reciting a mantra or a name of god that time. Hope it will help. Just be calm and still.
love,
anurag
On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, Andrew Alcott Shaver wrote:
> >
> On Fri, 28 Aug 1998, nancy wrote: >
> > Thanks for the idea, Angelique. Next time I am tossing and turning, I won't > > call it insomnia; I'll call it my vision quest!
> > Yeah, it's been now a week and a half that I have been
> living on 3 hours of sleep per day, except for one 8-hour sleep > shift, and guess what? I've never had more energy in my entire life.
> > Love,
> Andy >
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:11:06 -0400
From: "Cathy Berger" To: "Kundalini"
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Sorry, I forgot to copy you guys.
I have a suggestion. If there are some rules about what cannot be discussed on this list, how about letting us see them. I think
kundalini is a life experience, and it touches all aspects of life. If it makes a soul wonder anew, or suddenly draw inspiration, from a
phrase in the bible, the vedas, the koran, whatever, so be it.
-----Original Message----- From: Cathy Berger
To: Sharon Webb Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 4:01 PM
Subject: Christianity and Kundalini Not at Odds Here
>Ok Sharon; your point is noted. But still, why when the bible is
>mentioned do we suddenly call foul? I see many topics on this list. >I disagree that discussion of Christianity is somehow off-topic. I
>experience and practice kundalini, and I also read as much as I can >on various religions, science, psychology, etc. Part of Kundalini
is >coping with the process, and expanding our understanding of the
>reality of life. The inspiration found in many religious texts can >help there. I do not want to be preached at either. That is not
>what I have seen, however, in these posts. I think that if you don't
>like reading about Christianity, you can delete the post. >Personally, I don't find every thread interesting either, but I'm
not >about to start telling people to take their posts elsewhere.
> >Cathy
> >
>-----Original Message----- >From: Sharon Webb
>To: Wonderer ; onarresATnospaminreach.com >
>Cc: Kundalini >Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 3:28 PM
>Subject: Re: Ego >
> >>Cathy wrote:
>>>>If one wants to discuss spirituality, how can it be considered >>healthy to censor discussion of the Holy Bible?
>> >>Cathy, there are many forums on the net which discuss sacred texts,
>whether >>the Bible or the Koran or what have you. The kundalini list, IMO,
>is not >>the place for determining how many angels can dance on the head of
a >pin.
> (snip, etc.) >
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 16:24:12 -0400 From: "Sharon Webb"
To: "Kundalini" Subject: Re: Christianity and Kundalini Not at Odds Here
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Cathy,
I had hoped that you would take my letter in the spirit in which it was
intended. My letter answered every one of your points. To reiterate: the k list is NOT a forum for discussion of spirituality in general, it is a
specific list meant to discuss kundalini and kundalini alone. If we all cooperate, the list will more or less stay on topic and do what it is
intended to do which is to help with specifics pertaining to kundalini.
Perhaps if you look into the Celestine list or one of the hundreds of others you will find the topics discussed that are dear to you, but please remember
there are many lists that address spirituality in general, but only one kundalini list.
Most of us belong to several lists, as no one list is going to address all
the spiritual issues that concern us. For example, I am on several Seth lists. The Seth books are channeled and, to me, they are wonderful
metaphysical texts, but I do not bring them up or quote them on the k list, as that would be off-topic and therefore not appropriate.
Please respect the purpose of the k list.
Sharon
-----Original Message-----
From: Cathy Berger To: Kundalini
Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 4:11 PM Subject: Fw: Christianity and Kundalini Not at Odds Here
>Sorry, I forgot to copy you guys. >
>I have a suggestion. If there are some rules about what cannot be >discussed on this list, how about letting us see them. I think
>kundalini is a life experience, and it touches all aspects of life. >If it makes a soul wonder anew, or suddenly draw inspiration, from a
>phrase in the bible, the vedas, the koran, whatever, so be it. >
>-----Original Message----- >From: Cathy Berger
>To: Sharon Webb >Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 4:01 PM
>Subject: Christianity and Kundalini Not at Odds Here >
> >>Ok Sharon; your point is noted. But still, why when the bible is
>>mentioned do we suddenly call foul? I see many topics on this list. >>I disagree that discussion of Christianity is somehow off-topic. I
>>experience and practice kundalini, and I also read as much as I can >>on various religions, science, psychology, etc. Part of Kundalini
>is >>coping with the process, and expanding our understanding of the
>>reality of life. The inspiration found in many religious texts can >>help there. I do not want to be preached at either. That is not
>>what I have seen, however, in these posts. I think that if you >don't
>>like reading about Christianity, you can delete the post. >>Personally, I don't find every thread interesting either, but I'm
>not >>about to start telling people to take their posts elsewhere.
>> >>Cathy
>> >>
>>-----Original Message----- >>From: Sharon Webb
>>To: Wonderer ; onarresATnospaminreach.com >>
>>Cc: Kundalini >>Date: Friday, August 28, 1998 3:28 PM
>>Subject: Re: Ego >>
>> >>>Cathy wrote:
>>>>>If one wants to discuss spirituality, how can it be considered >>>healthy to censor discussion of the Holy Bible?
>>> >>>Cathy, there are many forums on the net which discuss sacred texts,
>>whether >>>the Bible or the Koran or what have you. The kundalini list, IMO,
>>is not >>>the place for determining how many angels can dance on the head of
>a >>pin.
>> (snip, etc.) >>
> Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:38:54 -0400
From: "Kat" To:
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>Hi All, >
>Well this is not a happy lady but I am learning how to take deep breaths and
>smile......knowing this is a test of my patience.....and all those that have
>replyed to me in the past 24hrs..... >
>Yup.....system crash!!!! All is lost.....well just the messages I brought >in today.....I have been doing back ups but I have lost some information
>that is not making me very happy.......anyways.......Please me copies if possible of anything that you have replied to in
>the past 24 hrs that I have not replied to as of yet. >
>I have made a decision I am not going to put the ICQ back on .....for some >reason the computer acts up after I do this everytime.. I will loose
>contact with a few but guess that is the way it goes! >
>Oh well back to the disks to start installing everything! >
>In L&L & Understanding, >
>Katharine >
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:29:05 EDT From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
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In a message dated 98-08-28 16:09:03 EDT, you write:
< I have a suggestion. If there are some rules about what cannot be discussed on this list, how about letting us see them. I think
kundalini is a life experience, and it touches all aspects of life. If it makes a soul wonder anew, or suddenly draw inspiration, from a
phrase in the bible, the vedas, the koran, whatever, so be it. >>
Dear Cathy,
Have you run out of k topics?? Why are you being so insistent?? *Do* you have an agenda?
Love, Hillary
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In a message dated 98-08-28 16:09:03 EDT, you write:
< I have a suggestion. If there are some rules about what cannot be
discussed on this list, how about letting us see them. I think kundalini is a life experience, and it touches all aspects of life.
If it makes a soul wonder anew, or suddenly draw inspiration, from a phrase in the bible, the vedas, the koran, whatever, so be it.
>> Dear Cathy,
Have you run out of k topics?? Why are you being so insistent?? *Do* you
have an agenda?
Love, Hillary Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 17:41:59 +0000
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getting through?
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 15:12:38 -0700 From: onarresATnospaminreach.com
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dor wrote:
>>Jesus was the first Adam which all appeared at the same time in different locales and different races of man...
>Cathy wrote:
I don't get this part. Unless, you mean all men (and women) are unified in the Christ consciousness, as well as Jesus, the Christ. Also, I have read that scientific evidence has been found (based upon studies of DNA) linking all humans to a common ancestor. Maybe the bible is BOTH symbolism and literal. After, all, the very poetic verses advising a young man to get his life together before its too late, before "you hear the snap of the silver cord", does sound like symbolism doesn't it? However, when you are dead, that silver cord snaps louder than a shotgun. Lets not forget also, that Noah's ark was found atop Mount Aararat.
dor writes:
How about Jesus as Adam, first soul Amilius shared the soul and spirit with the other four Adams? Now, Cathy, if you think about it - and what you read is that Adam was created and Eve was then created from the rib of Adam... okay, they had children... now who did the children marry? It states the sons of Adam found the daughters of men to their liking - that would tell you that there were others about, not just Adam and Eve and their offspring. So now we find that Adam and Eve had neighbors huh?
Silver cord: Sure - it's attached to the body, and when it snaps, you leave the body, end of story for the physical body. It may bend a bit, but when it snaps - poof you're gone.
Noah's Ark: To be sure it was found there... but here's the time line;
1,000,000 - 800,000 B.C. - Early Lemurian development (let's not forget the Lemurians were mostly spirit).
500,000 B.C. - Lemuria was inundated by water, peoples scattered.
400,000 - 300,000 B.C. - Lemuria inhabited and civilization advanced
250,000 B.C. - Second Lemurian catastrophe, possibly by fire
80,000 B.C - First Atlantean culture emerged. Final Lemurian submergence.
28,000 B.C. - Second Atlantean disturbance. Recorded biblically as the Great Flood.
10,700 B.C. - Final destruction and sinking of Atlantis.
10,390 B.C. - Final completion of The Great Pyramid by Ra Ta and Hermes.
So look at the dates, you'll find others survived the great flood - Atlantean culture survived as well as other people in the world. Now, as I said before, The O.T. is a history of the Jewish people, not a history of the world's population.
>>dor wrote:
> If you want to discuss the Bible, there's another place to take it... find it on Spiritweb, there you can discuss the Bible to your heart's content, or until the cows come home, whichever you like. Lotsa luck!
>*Cathy wrote:
If one wants to discuss spirituality, how can it be considered healthy to censor discussion of the Holy Bible? If you're not interested in bible discussions, isn't that just the same as when Paul said he isn't interested in Yoga discussions? You know where the delete button is too.
Cathy
dor writes:
And Cathy, if you'll remember correctly I also said at that time that Kundalini Yoga leads some to the awakening of Kundalini. I am sure the study of the bible would do likewise, however, it is a wide path that is interpreted differently by a lot of people. King James version - Catholics were told not to read any other version - why? I wonder, could it be that it contained the interpretation of the Catholic Church? Now how does one interpret Kundalini Yoga? Not much you can do with that - sit, meditate, and absorb... And yes, I do know where the delete button is - and believe me, I used it a lot, but dear Cathy, no disrespect, but you too know where it is located.
There was a lot of bandwidth used in this discussion which I apologize to everyone that pays dearly for it - and now I refrain from discussing it further. You've all been patient, and I thank you.
Blessings dor
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