1998/08/27 14:41
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #601
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 601
Today's Topics:
Re: Ego [ "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotm ]
Re: Ego [ "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotm ]
Re: I AM Nirvikalpa [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Re: Something funny - at last! :) [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Re: Ego [ "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu> ]
re: Ego [ percyvalATnospamwebtv.net ]
Re: I AM Nirvikalpa [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: I AM Nirvikalpa [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: Something funny - at last! :) [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Curios [ "E.E.Schuh" <ganglareATnospamgte.net> ]
Love, Consciousness, and the Unmanif [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re: a question of evil [ "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.co ]
Re: I AM Nirvikalpa [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Ego [ AfperryATnospamaol.com ]
Re: Ego [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Something funny [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Cut it out! Re: Something funny - at [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: Ego [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
ego [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Temporally Unsubscribing. [ Mike Sullivan <atricossATnospamemirates.ne ]
Past Enlightenment [ "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.co ]
tongue curling [ DruoutATnospamaol.com ]
eden [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: I AM Nirvikalpa [ "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.co ]
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 09:55:41 PDT
From: "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego
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>IMHO God gave us the option to be disobedient, through the lessons of
which we
>may or may not grow to be obedient. But we have to learn that for
ourselves
>and there is no shortcut. Surely that's what free will means. Of course
we
>have responsibilities, but once again we have to learn those the hard
way.
Agreed. But still doesn't mean He accepts it, nor does it excuse anyone
from their actions.
>
>I repeat, how would you know light if you did not have darkness to
compare it
>with? Without evil, good would mean nothing to us. It's the contrast
that is
>so crucial to our evolution into the light, which is why God in his
mercy
>'ordained' (not the word I would choose but the meaning is clear) that
we
>should experience it.
See, you can ask that since Adam and Eve ruined it for just about
everyone. The problem isn't that we compare it now, it's that they
disobeyed a direct order. And disobediance carries a serious
punishment. Why do they have a problem? By taking the forbidden stuff,
they *strive* to become like God. Logic problem: God created all
people. People can be with Him, approach him and ask for things, but
they can never be on equal footing with Him.
Today, you've got a group of people who try to do the same thing. Think
about it: if you create a computer program, don't you tell the computer
what to do? Don't you punish it for disobediance? Can it ever be on
equal footing with you, even though you may have made it with your bare
hands (or upgraded it) - never!
This should not keep people from pursuing Kundalini experiences. But we
should remember our place in the world.
And when I find Adam, I'm going to give him a kick somewhere.
- Hudson
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 10:08:42 PDT
From: "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego
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>What if we were to *know*, via faith (?), that all our needs (desires?)
are
>already met, and that we need do nothing.... We are complete and whole
right
>now, although we don't see it nor feel it.
>
> "Blessed are ye who believe, yet do not see."
Indeed, indeed. God has the maximum faith possible in the universe.
"Let there be light!" POOF! There it is. . .
There are no shortcuts to faith whatsoever. Knowledge is never complete
without faith.
Peace.
- Hudson
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:11:10 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM Nirvikalpa
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At 11:58 27.08.1998. EDT, ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com wrote:
>In a message dated 8/27/98 11:01:19 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
>dturinaATnospamhempseed.com writes:
>
>< What I want to say is, you are very, very distant from realization. Better
> correct your page on the web. ;) >
>
>Would you accuse yourself of this?
Of course. If I went all the way, I wouldn't write this here. I'm just
saying that I don't find his talk about Absolute Self and his "realization"
to be beyond questioning. It might be the goal, it might be an irrelevant
experience. Yeah, exactly, Absolute Experiencer is just an experience of
ego - if you reverse the thing, as well as the ego is an experience of the
Absolute Experiencer. If I look from my ego perspective, samadhis are
experience, just as eating salad, and if I look from samadhi, ego and the
relative stuff is just an experience, one as good/bad as the other. Now be
smart. :)
Two sides of the coin. The thing is not to have the coin.
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 19:11:22 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: Something funny - at last! :)
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At 20:07 27.08.1998. +0500, cosmic energy wrote:
>I am quite ignorant in fact. Will anybody tell whether the following is in
>any way connected with Kundalini matter !!??
It is not related to Kundalini matter, it is related to the things K folks
consider to be funny. Therefore it _is_ related to K, after all. :P~~~~~
BTW, in the last couple of weeks I didn't see many messages that were
directly connected to Kundalini - maybe I just didn't pay attention. Maybe
it's because people know what K is, and they're more interested in how it
works and what to do with it. And light fun is one of the best ways of
living with it, that I know of. :)
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:32:16 -0400
From: "Sharon Webb" <shawebbATnospamyhc.edu>
To: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: Ego
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Angelique wrote:
>>>17. .: They believed the serpent.
>>>18. .: They believed a lie.
>> The Serpent did not lie..
>> We never left Eden.. unconditional love does not reject.
And Hudson Jackson II wrote:
>So, then, why did Adam and Eve get banished from the garden? What's
>your take?
I don't know what Angelique's take is, but my take is that you're a
born-again fundamentalist, and I wonder what you hope to accomplish on this
list. If your goal is to show us the error of our ways, then I suspect you
may be sadly disappointed.
Sharon
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:35:15 -0400 (EDT)
From: percyvalATnospamwebtv.net
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: re: Ego
Message-ID: <18479-35E598D3-2408ATnospammailtod-142.iap.bryant.webtv.net>
Hudson:
17. .: They believed the serpent.
18. .: They believed a lie.
Mystress: The Serpent did not lie..
We never left Eden.. unconditional love does not reject.
http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/spirit/eden.htm
Hudson: So, then, why did Adam and Eve get banished from the garden?
What's your take?
percy: according to the mythology of Genesis...God said (paraphrased, my
bible's not handy):
"now they have tasted from the tree of knowledge of good and evil...if
they also eat from the tree of life, they will BECOME LIKE US" (who was
God speaking with? who is us? this conversation is very strange for a
monotheistic deity...)
God then placed an angel with a flaming sword to guard the tree of
knowledge...apparently Adam and Eve were banished to prevent them from
also eating of this second tree and becoming like God...(trying to
become like God was also the crime for which the angel Lucifer was
banished from heaven...)
warmly,
percy
Date: 27 Aug 98 18:51:00 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM Nirvikalpa
Message-Id: <OUT-35E5AA94.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Danijel,
[You to harsha]
> I don't think that you actually read what I write, you just go on with your
> stuff. Listen, will ya? Sathya loka, or brahma loka, or siddha loka, by
> definition, are worlds inhabited by yogis who have realized Self and are
> emerged in nirvikalpa samadhi. When you went into samadhi and back, your
> ego didn't disappear, it was as fucked up as before, you just unplugged
> from it.
If it's worth anything I have observed that ego is reborn. If you
like, it is a great maze construct that is capable of holding water.
When the water is out of it, you, there is no perception of it
existing. It doesn't interefere with reality. Then the water, you,
goes in and fills it up and then reality takes on its flavour. So for
you it is reborn, not that it always exists in the background waiting
for you to go back to it. And the reason it seems like it has remained
there is because of its nature, so constant, such a continuum of
familiarity, going to it is as if you never left, as again it is the
illusory counterpart of that characteristic of the eternal.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 12:54:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Paul <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM Nirvikalpa
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On 27 Aug 1998, Paul wrote:
>
> If it's worth anything I have observed that ego is reborn. If you
> like, it is a great maze construct that is capable of holding water.
> When the water is out of it, you, there is no perception of it
> existing. It doesn't interefere with reality. Then the water, you,
> goes in and fills it up and then reality takes on its flavour. So for
> you it is reborn, not that it always exists in the background waiting
> for you to go back to it. And the reason it seems like it has remained
> there is because of its nature, so constant, such a continuum of
> familiarity, going to it is as if you never left, as again it is the
> illusory counterpart of that characteristic of the eternal.
imo ego is just a bunch of bad habits that fire like the tendency to eat
chocolate when im depressed.
--jt
Date: 27 Aug 98 18:53:39 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Something funny - at last! :)
Message-Id: <OUT-35E5AB33.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> It is not related to Kundalini matter, it is related to the things K folks
> consider to be funny. Therefore it _is_ related to K, after all. :P~~~~~
Danijel, why do you keep depicting yourself as mental? You're sending
mixed messages. In other posts you said that you were confused and
that you were loopy and stuff like that. ok, if you're not, don't say
that you are. It doesn't make it funny as such just because here you
are with an idea of being corrupt and yet believing that you aren't.
Make up your mind.
--
Paul.
IRC: #amiga, Dalnet: #blitz
WWW: http://www.stationone.demon.co.uk
E-M: paulATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 02:14:52 -0600
From: "E.E.Schuh" <ganglareATnospamgte.net>
To: "kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com" <kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com>
Subject: Curios
Message-ID: <35E5157C.1DBF884AATnospamgte.net>
I was curios about something. Does awakening the "K" bring about
physic abilities? I've noticed a lot of talk relating to magic and as a
beginner in my quest for self-enlightment am unaware of such things.
However, I have noticed an increase in my senses. Sometimes when I'm
outside I can feel energy moving.
Any information would be greatly appreciated.
Love,
Benita
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:04:57 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "Kundalini" <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Love, Consciousness, and the Unmanifest
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Hello K-Folk,
I want to share what I have realized and hold true:
Love: The Power of God that gives life and connects us to ...
Consciousness: The Power of God that is Awareness and All Knowing
and connects us to ...
The Unmanifest: The Godhead
In reverse order, these three correspond to the Father, The Son, and
the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit, the Comforter referred to by Jesus
Christ is the great Power of Love. Love contains the properties of
Truth and Joy. Also from the bible, "We are all one in the body of
Christ". The Christ consciousness ultimately is a collective
awareness, our Higher (perhaps Much Higher) Self.
Some symbolism: The circle of God's Love is the path for those who
choose to receive love and reject pain and misery. As we increase
our capacity to receive and give love, we create more and more
positive circumstances and a positive circle of love. The figure 8
represents the always present choice of humans to enter God's circle
of Love, or enter the vicious circle where Love, Truth and Joy are
transformed by ego to negative qualities of Fear, Guilt and Anger.
These negative influences also create more negative influences, as is
the nature of the realm of cause and effect. To escape, one must be
willing to accept the Love of God and let it transform their world
thought by thought, word by word, and action by action. So the
vicious cycle can be reversed.
[Having been in the vicious cycle myself, I can say I've been there,
done that, bought the shirt. When I pulled myself out, I recognized
that positive action had to be constantly initiated by me to reverse
the circle. I had to change my thoughts to positive thoughts to
create a positive atmosphere to reseed my circle and reverse it's
direction. In the beginning, this was not easy, because many
negative effects were still powering that negative circle. Over
time, I have worked it to where it's energy is going my way, and
sometimes carries me along when I run out of steam.]
I am not proselytizing, just sharing. I am open to higher Truths. I
know that I know nothing.
Peace,
Cathy
[ "It is no more surprising to be born twice than to be born
once." -- Voltaire. ]
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 11:09:12 PDT
From: "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com
Subject: Re: a question of evil
Message-ID: <19980827180912.28289.qmailATnospamhotmail.com>
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Nice metaphor.
However if we assume that a large part of the human race has
a current awareness on par with an acorn, then that squirrel
is REALLY a devil to them.
Ultimately it would be better to help the acorns by setting a high
example, but in the short term, those acorns are still being
eaten. At times, it may be appropriate to go squirrel hunting.
Kevin
>
>Say there is a forest somewhere with some oak trees. Some of the
acorns
>fall on the ground and are eaten be animals. Others bake in the sun.
>Some die from lack of water and some are choked out by the underbrush
>after they started to sprout. The forest is a treacherous place from
the
>perspective of an acorn. The little squirrels that eat the acorns are
>downright devils. A monk passing by might only notice the beauty of
>forest.
>
>Do you choose to see the world from the perspective of the acorn or the
>monk?
>
>
>Blessings to all acorns and monks,
>
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>
>Geoffrey
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:28:24 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: dturinaATnospamhempseed.com
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM Nirvikalpa
Message-ID: <36f8f01a.35e5a548ATnospamaol.com>>
Dear Danijel,
Regardless of the rights and wrongs of your differences with Harsha or anyone
else, you sometimes write with such aggression that I find your postings quite
disturbing to read (I have never detected such aggression in Harsha posts).
You seek to express such lofty sentiments but the manner in which you convey
them is often totally inconsistent, which is a shame. Surely real spirituality
is conformity in thought, word and deed.
God bless,
Alan
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:28:27 EDT
From: AfperryATnospamaol.com
To: hjackson2ATnospamHOTMAIL.COM
Cc: Kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego
Message-ID: <120981a.35e5a54bATnospamaol.com>>
In a message dated 27/8/98 5:56:14 pm, you wrote:
> By taking the forbidden stuff,
>they *strive* to become like God. Logic problem: God created all
>people. People can be with Him, approach him and ask for things, but
>they can never be on equal footing with Him.
Tell you what, Hudson, I'll do a deal with you. I promise to re-read Genesis
if you promise to (re)read the principal Upanishads or any major work on
Vedanta ! My experience of God may be somewhat different to yours but I
respect your view.
>Don't you punish it (my computer) for disobediance?
My dear old Mac is never disobedient: just occasionally it makes mistakes due
to the imperfect way humans created it. If I give it a hard smack, will that
make it better?
>And when I find Adam, I'm going to give him a kick somewhere.
Is this something you have learnt from Christ, perhaps? Strange, I don't
recall this in the New Testament. You seem to be rather keen on punishment and
violence; perhaps you need to discuss this privately with our dear List
Mystress.
Once again, my friend, your understanding of Christianity is very different
from mine........
God bless,
Alan
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 16:49:33 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego
Message-ID: <c48200c5.35e5c65dATnospamaol.com>>
In a message dated 8/27/98 12:36:42 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com writes:
<< So, then, why did Adam and Eve get banished from the garden? What's
your take? >>
Who believes that lie?
Heresay! Bah!
Next thing we'll hear
is that we are here on earth,
living a life....
Dream on,
xxxtg
* Life may have no meaning.
Or even worse, it may have a meaning of which I disapprove *
http://members.aol.com/Teeegeee/tgsplace.html
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:08:42 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Something funny
Message-ID: <35E5929A.EAFC59C9ATnospammhonline.net>
I am quite ignorant in fact. Will anybody tell whether the following is
in
any way connected with Kundalini matter !!??
It lightens the load of some of the upsetting symptoms of K- rising.
Blessings of Holy Joy and
More Light.
+ Maureen
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:22:25 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Cut it out! Re: Something funny - at last! :)
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At 07:11 PM 27/08/98 +0200, Danijel Turina wrote:
>At 20:07 27.08.1998. +0500, cosmic energy wrote:
>>I am quite ignorant in fact. Will anybody tell whether the following is in
>>any way connected with Kundalini matter !!??
>
>It is not related to Kundalini matter, it is related to the things K folks
>consider to be funny. Therefore it _is_ related to K, after all. :P~~~~~
Bullshit Danijel... You know posting pages of jokes and humor is
absolutely contrary to list guidelines, and remarkably inconsiderate at a
time when the list bandwidth is already overflowing.
New List members: K-list has a no jokes, no propaganda policy. Danijel
knows it well enough too, he's just trying to get my goat. There are plenty
of places to find humor on the net, and posting it to the K-list is
strictly Verboten. WE don't have the bandwidth for it, real words from list
members are what is wanted.
No jokes, no funny stories, no chain letters, no pages of stuff quoted
from books, no copied websites, no virus warnings, nothing that has not
been written by a list member. List member sharing and asking for help is
first priority.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 13:46:10 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego
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At 09:34 AM 27/08/98 PDT, Hudson Jackson II wrote:
>> We never left Eden.. unconditional love does not reject.
>> http://www.domin8rex.com/serpent/spirit/eden.htm
>
>So, then, why did Adam and Eve get banished from the garden? What's
>your take?
If you had bothered to read the essay I have written on the topic on
my website, then you would know my "take". If you have not bothered to
read it, then obviously you are not interested in my opinion, so why are
you asking? We never left Eden... duh... seems pretty clear to me. My
saying "we never left" and you saying "then Why did we leave".. Hudson,
this is not a conversation, it is you proselytizing.
I will warn you, this list has chewed up many Christian propagandists
and spit them out in bits. If you wish to discus your beliefs whilst being
open to other opinions, fine.. if you just want to spew dogma, then please
take it elsewhere.
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:23:33 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: ego
Message-ID: <35E59615.97E9693ATnospammhonline.net>
Percy.
"now they have tasted from the tree of knowledge of good and evil...if
they also eat from the tree of life, they will BECOME LIKE US" (who was
God speaking with? who is us? this conversation is very strange for a
monotheistic deity...)
Here's one for you.
"Let US create man in OUR image.(The Elohim)
What do you think?
+ Maureen
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 1998 01:30:06 +0400
From: Mike Sullivan <atricossATnospamemirates.net.ae>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Temporally Unsubscribing.
Message-id: <35E5CFDD.86680B7EATnospamemirates.net.ae>
Hi All,
Just to let you know that I will be away on vacation until September 22,
and therefore, to avoid my mail in-box overflowing and being
auto-unsubscibed, I will be unsubscribing from the list until I return.
Have fun,
Himself
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:29:24 PDT
From: "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, dturinaATnospamhempseed.com
Subject: Past Enlightenment
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How nice (for me) to see a thread that I agree with completely.
I agree with your analysis completely, and in fact can even answer
your question about 'what then'.
Its heresy to most all, but my direct knowing (for what its worth)
says that when the lower man becomes beautiful and in harmony
with the upper man, that the lower man doesn't cease to exist in
the great sea at all.
A rose that blooms from the manure will never be lost.
Its our task to be a thing of beauty here as well as on all other
planes.
Granted, at the highest level, there is no separation, and all
beauty is totally one and the same thing, but that does not
in any way invalidate the 'lower experience', as ultimately
there is no 'upper' or 'lower'.
The ego will never cease to exist as long as we exist physically,
its part of the package of being human and not to be despised.
Once we don't need to incarnate anymore, the causal body (soul)
will be the perfect rose we need to finish developing, and yes,
someday, the soul itself will 'die'. But that will not invalidate
the soul either.
Nothing that is beautiful will ever be lost.
Bottom line, the universe (and the one life behind it) is a gigantic
wave pattern that is perceived as a particle interaction by beings
(who are themelves particle interactions).
I think the problem is, that all us 'spiritual maniacs' get so
focussed on 'eliminating the ego' or 'purifying the ego' due to
focusing on the goal of the sublime, that we neglect to 'look back'
and see the purpose, validity and necessity (and beauty) of the
perfected state of where we came from.
That 'prior state' is not invalid, it is not 'inferior'.
Since the universe won't intrude in on our single-minded focus
of consciousness (to become enlightened), as since there is only
one being, we don't need to 'be told anything' - the universe
certainly allows us to have tunnel vision for as long as we want,
even when we think we have 'arrived' at a total state of liberation.
Show me someone who can experience consciousness in all its high
forms, and I'll show you an impressive being.
Show me an impressive being playing with a puppy, and I'll show
you a master.
2 cents from the peanut gallery.
-Kevin
So far there are only two good
>theories: buddhism/vedanta as one, and theosophy as the other. The
first
>theory basically dismisses the relative, and the second says "OK, of
course
>everything is brahman bla bla, but in the relative the goal is to
evolve
>through the individual ego through finer and finer substance until
there is
>Absolute on the both sides of the ego. I prefer the theosophical
version,
>since it seems to include the "all is brahman" and "there is no
existence"
>versions.
>Now, if what I wrote makes sense, I'll be really surprized. :)))
>
>Oh, yes... something I want to add. The guys who get to enter
nirvikalpa
>samadhi and all that "I AM" stuff all seem to be on the mental plane,
>according to the theosophy... I would actually say that all that
absolute
>stuff is just a direct contact with the mental substance. One other
thing,
>the scriptures say that there are subtle (suksma, meaning
astral/mental)
>worlds inhabited by yogis in the constant state of nirvikalpa samadhi.
>Well, so much for the unplugging into the absolute thing. It doesn't
work,
>you still have a very real ego existing on some plane or another, and
>samadhi seems to be the way of avoiding the inevidable: working through
the
>ego and purifying it completely, until, finally, ... now here is the
place
>where I have a problem, until WHAT?
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:31:04 EDT
From: DruoutATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: tongue curling
Message-ID: <e21766aa.35e5d018ATnospamaol.com>>
Dear list,
I was wondering if some of the scholars on the list could tell me what causes
(or what is caused by) the tongue cleaving to the palate or the tongue curling
up to the palate. Does it open pranic passageways?? When I waken with the
roaring energy going through me I often find my tongue in one of these
positions. Does it mean anything?
Thanks,
Love, Hillary
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 17:32:50 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: eden
Message-ID: <35E59842.9C82E5F4ATnospammhonline.net>
Sharon,
Does it really matter what kind of food we feed our souls with as long
as it is nutritional?
More Light,
+ Maureen
Date: Thu, 27 Aug 1998 14:40:03 PDT
From: "Pure Heart" <pure_heartATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com, dturinaATnospamhempseed.com
Subject: Re: I AM Nirvikalpa
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As long as there is something to 'transcend', you are still deluded.
Samadhi can be the worst trap of all.
A Buddhist would say that pain and pleasure need to be as one.
Not the last word on enlightenment, but a very wise statement.
-Kevin
If I look from my ego perspective, samadhis are
>experience, just as eating salad, and if I look from samadhi, ego and
the
>relative stuff is just an experience, one as good/bad as the other. Now
be
>smart. :)
>Two sides of the coin. The thing is not to have the coin.
>
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