1998/08/26 11:49
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #596
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 596
Today's Topics:
Re: The dogmatic stance of Mary L. R [ ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com ]
Re: I AM [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
Re: need help [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
my cat's seizures [ jane <bigeyesATnospammindspring.com> ]
Re: need help [ "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca> ]
RE: Conjectures on Ego [ "fosterx2" <mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com> ]
I AM - the Path and the Goal .... [ OneBeingATnospamt-online.de (Dancing DaxAn ]
Re: Ego [ "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotm ]
Re: owwwwwwwie! [ "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com> ]
Re:Re: Ego [ geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com ]
Re: The dogmatic stance of Mary L. R [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: healing [ "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.c ]
Re: healing [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Boston- Seeking Kundalini teachers [ "G.R. Chandran" <mtvictoryATnospamhotmail. ]
Re: I AM - the Path and the Goal ... [ "Professor Harsh K. Luthar (Harsha) ]
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:47:12 EDT
From: ImtgxxxATnospamaol.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The dogmatic stance of Mary L. Riley strikes back :)
Message-ID: <4ff39667.35e41ff1ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 8/26/98 9:55:22 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
dturinaATnospamhempseed.com writes:
<< OK. And what could possibly be acomplished by that tone and attitude?
option a, I react in a similar manner and you get to be right, there is a
flame war, Danijel is an asshole
option b, I don't respond, and then you send me e-mail that basically says
"chickened out, eh?", I of course dump it
option c, I respond kindly, you keep insulting me until I finally choose
the option b.
So it is a win-win-win scenario for you. >>
Hellooo Danijel & Angelique....
As a butting-in observer here, may I ask if you can think of any other options
that would create oneness rather than separation? Must Angelique play nice to
Danijel's digs, and Danijel play nice to Angelique's? Both of you are wise
enough to know that if someone is going to insult someone, that you don't have
to take it anymore!
hmmmm, but that doesn't solve the problem -- more separation. What IS the
answer? What is it you would learn? What is it you can give in order to
receive it? Teach only Love instead of fear. So what is that thing called
Love? Love is what you would love to learn and keep for yourSelf by giving it
away first. What is it you would want to keep?
Much Love,
xxxtg
* There's so much comedy on television.
Does that cause comedy in the streets? *
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 16:45:09 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM
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At 09:20 1998.08.26 -0500, Janpa wrote:
>On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Danijel Turina wrote:
>>
>> Excellent! That is the very question that is on my mind for some days now,
>> and I've been wondering should I ask it here or not... what is the goal -
>> and is there one?
>> Self realization? I would put it differently: is it the goal or the path?
>
>at least in buddhist tantra, the goal is used as the path. ok u guys and
>gals on vedanta tantra, is this true for you too?
Well, I think it is partially true... you know, if there is no goal in the
path, it's not going there etc etc - the path is probably supposed to
become more of the goal as you get closer... aww. :))))) Sometimes I have a
feeling that attempting to figure this stuff mentally is as promising as a
monkey's attempt to figure out Einstein's theory. :)
>> If the goal is to realize that I Am One Self, undivided in all beings...
>> then I have reached the goal in 1994, and yet then I had a feeling that I
>> have just opened my eyes. Why is there such a huge difference between
>> self-realized people around, why are they so obviously on different places?
>> The goal might be to extend self-realization through the ego into a
>> continuous reality on all planes of existence - whatever that might look
>> like.
>>
>> Awakened to the reality of the Now?
>
>There is a phrase from a dzogchen prayer that goes 'Awareness of nowness
>is actually the Buddha'. So i'd tend ot think that ya, awakened to the
>reality of NOW is not a bad place to be in. My Q is: i dont grok how there
>can be any sort of self left at that point, but i think that's coming from
>my buddhist viewpoint and the idea of an-atman.
The problem with that concept: I have no problem going into Nothing - being
at the moment ... but I don't have a feeling that this is quite it, you
know. I think there is more to it, I see Mahavatar Babaji and I say "I'm
not there yet", you know what I mean?
>> Evolution? Expression of Self through the relative, until the relative and
>> the absolute are united by total purification of ego?
>
>hmm, there's an idea on how to grok the two truths, relative and
>absolute... relative evolves into absolute. gotta chew on that one :).
:)
>but what is there to purify? ego? ego is a resultant i think not a cause.
What if it just is? You have a colored glass board and light on the other
side of the board. You wash a little bit of paint and you get more light
through. You wash all the paint away and you get enlightened board. Now you
break the board and you get pure light on both sides. Am I making any
sense? ;))
>One cant purify a resultant, resultants fall into the 'shit that happens'
>catagory. causes are something that can be uprooted/purified etc. You know
>the idea that ripened karma cannot be stopped?
Yeah, better than I would want. :)
>This is what im applying
>here. i think ego(little) is a form of ripened karma. u can purify its
>causes, but it itself is just sorta a pain in the butt to deal with
>sometimes.
I agree - our bodies can deffinitely be qualified as "manifested karma";
the entire situation of the incarnation, chains of events, all that
stuff... But I think that it all comes down to manifestation of the "light"
through all that... you get your colored glass board, and you scrape off
paint... and when there is no paint, you are enlightened - when you leave
the body, the glass breaks, but there is no paint to form another board -
no karma to work out - and then what happens - well, sat-cit-ananda I
guess. :)
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Date: 26 Aug 98 15:06:03 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: need help
Message-Id: <OUT-35E4245B.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> 2. Control diet and life-style. Preferrably keep a light diet,
> vegetarian if possible with minimal use of onion and garlic.
> These foods work up the activity of the mind and prevent it
> from getting into calm state.
I would like to know if it's on-topic to ask here what is the validity
of vegetarianism?
--
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:46:19 -0500
From: jane <bigeyesATnospammindspring.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: my cat's seizures
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Hello all you beautiful people,
:)
Awhile ago my cat (old) started to have seizures. i would quickly get him
to a space of openness on the floor and sit with him, my hands resting on
his body ever so lightly so that he feel some grounding while he went thru
this traumatic event.
At first i took him immediatley to the vet where they gave him valium.
After a few times i stopped taking him to the vet and spent the time with
him afterwards in peace and gentleness. i asked several vets and found out
that what i was doing was fine as long as the cat (Magoo) was fine.
i also recently discovered what has been triggering his seizures. my
typing!!!! He generally sits on my scanner and likes to touch the
keyboard often. i have been able to watch his movements and when he gets
mesmerized by the rhythm of the typing i stop and he stops. sometimes,
though, it is too late and he goes into a seizure.
Energy abounds. i have known dogs to go into seizures from TV vibrations.
Now the computer is doing the same!!!!
Please send loving energy to Magoo who this morning had quite a strong one.
Thank you all!!!
jane
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:55:38 -0400
From: "Kat" <KcliffordATnospamodyssey.on.ca>
To: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: need help
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Hi Paul,
>I would like to know if it's on-topic to ask here what is the validity
>of vegetarianism?
My understanding of vegetarianism in spiritial people is that it is thier
way of trying to increase thier vibrations. It is thought that the eatting
of meat will lower it. If this is done correctly it can have many benifits
including inproved health. There are more then one way in which a person
can be considered a vegetarian. Some will eat meat but only meats that are
not considered red. Cow being an example of red meat. Some will not even
eat an egg because of the chicken that laid it. I am what would be called a
border line vegetarian. I will eat meat on occasion. At the moment more
then I prefer because of my present situation but when I move out and I am
on my own again I fully intend to remove all red meat from my diet. I will
however be eatting lots of fish and chicken. Fasting tends to go hand in
hand with the Spiritiual Vegetarian as well but again done with knowledge
and respect for the body. There are ways to fast in a very healthy way.
This I do as well and boy am I overdue for a fast!!!
In L&L & Understanding,
Katharine
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:08:27 -0700
From: "fosterx2" <mytime2ATnospamemail.msn.com>
To: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
Cc: <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: RE: Conjectures on Ego
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Very good Evelyn! I think you put the whole concept in the nutshell. There
are people who are asking what the goal is now, where do we go from
here.....but does it really matter since we are going there anyway? It is
true that maybe you need to "see" the goal at times. But right now, I am at
the point of just watching and waiting. This started up almost by itself
with me, it is unstoppable as far as I can see....I wouldn't want to stop it
if I could, because the changes are fascinating and profound and heck, I
don't have this much fun on rollercoasters! Love, Julie
you wrote:
> It seems almost
> counter productive to look way way ahead and conjecture on what the
> ultimate goal is as that may simply scare or confuse us. Perhaps we
> should look more toward the immediate goals and down the road we will
> have a better understanding of future goals. Otherwise, it seems to me
> like a one year old child trying to decide which college he will want to
> go to.
> -Evelyn
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 17:33:41 -0700
From: OneBeingATnospamt-online.de (Dancing DaxAne)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: I AM - the Path and the Goal ....
Message-ID: <35E4A965.32C637D1ATnospamt-online.de>
Hi everyone ....
Janpa wrote:
> >> Self realization? I would put it differently: is it the goal or the path?
And Danijel wrote:
> Well, I think it is partially true... you know, if there is no goal in the
> path, it's not going there etc etc - the path is probably supposed to
> become more of the goal as you get closer... aww. :)))))
Once I had a dream. I was flying along a golden path made of light and
there was light everywhere. Then I met my master. He laughed and
transformed the path into a slide that had no beginning and no end - or
you could say that it began and ended in the omnipresent light. We were
then together sliding down that transformed path with joy and laughter.
He said to me: "The path is the goal ..." I then looked around and saw
that there was no more path and no more slide .... I realized that the
goal was everywhere and therefore I was standing in the goal, walking to
the goal, coming from the goal .... there was nothing else existing but
bliss .... no beginning, no end ... no separation from the goal and yet
a moving within the infiniy ...
LoveLightLaughter ..... Ane
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:00:50 PDT
From: "Hudson Jackson II" <hjackson2ATnospamhotmail.com>
To: geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: Ego
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>There is nothing that exists that is not ordained by God.
Evil exists, and yet God has not ordained that. Certain renegade angels
first conjured that idea and concept up and were thrown out of heaven,
and then there was the Garden of Eden story, and now look what we have
today: a struggle.
God ordains justice, but not the type I've seen in the news these days.
- Hudson
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:29:42 -0400
From: "Wonderer" <mrtn74aATnospamprodigy.com>
To: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>, <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Re: owwwwwwwie!
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I am reading a new book, called "The Formula". The author, Doctor
Vernon M. Sylvest, M.D., writes that in the Southern Medical Journal,
1985 Doctor Randy Byrd reported on his double-blind study "done in
the coronary unit of San Francisco General Hospital. In the study,
393 coronary-care patients were randomized into two groups. One
group was prayed for; their names were assigned to prayer groups.
The other group of patients was not assigned to a prayer group.
Neither the patients nor the hospital staff knew which patients were
in which group. After a ten-month period the results were analyzed,
and even the skeptical were amazed. There were significantly fewer
complications in the prayed-for group as compared to the control
group. Only three patients in the prayed-for group required
antibiotics compared to sixteen in the control group. Six patients
in the prayed-for group experienced pulmonary edema as opposed to
eighteen in the control group. None of the patients in the
prayed-for group required intubation while twelve patients in the
control group did."
Lately, Paul, I've been feeling the energy of God's love. It is like
a type of power and a mother's hug all at the same time. Maybe these
people feel the love that was sent to them.
Cathy
**
thanx for healing energy!! it is getting better already!!...(i think
it has to do with all the wonderful responses i got one here) THANK
YOU EVERYONE!!!!
>
>Now there's a topic! How can a person tell if the recovery they are
>experiencing has been in ANY way influenced by supposed healing or
>energies sent by others?
>
>--
>Paul.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 12:30:21 -0700
From: geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re:Re: Ego
Message-ID: <19980826.123021.3606.1.Geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com>
>Evil exists, and yet God has not ordained that. Certain renegade
>angels
>first conjured that idea and concept up and were thrown out of heaven,
>and then there was the Garden of Eden story, and now look what we have
>today: a struggle.
>God ordains justice, but not the type I've seen in the news these
>days.
R: The tree of life from the Kabalah is an effective map of
consciousness. Lower on the tree there is a profound sense of good and
evil, right and wrong. As you move up the tree, the world is seen less
dualisticly. At the top of the tree, at Kether, there is only one
energy in expression. Viewed from kether, not only is all ordained by
God, but there is nothing but God.
Blessings to the One,
Geoffrey
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Date: 26 Aug 98 19:24:22 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: The dogmatic stance of Mary L. Riley strikes back :)
Message-Id: <OUT-35E460E6.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
Danijel,
[Angelique discussing your provocations]
> OK. And what could possibly be acomplished by that tone and attitude?
I am wondering what you envisage when you say "that".
> option a, I react in a similar manner and you get to be right, there is a
> flame war, Danijel is an asshole
> option b, I don't respond, and then you send me e-mail that basically says
> "chickened out, eh?", I of course dump it
> option c, I respond kindly, you keep insulting me until I finally choose
> the option b.
How come you view stuff as options? Doesn't that make you a chooser of
compartments? I'm not on Angelique's side, as she's a blunderbitch, or
something, but you sound like you're playing one-upmanship, holier
than thou kind of thing.? What if neither of you are right or maybe
you both are?
> thoughts and concern. And I intend to keep it so, since this is the last
> message I'll write to Angelique on this or any similar matter.
Oh, come now, why is that?
> I was not talking to you, so I have no intentions of going into an
> argument. Game over,
Do you view the world as full of beginnings and ends? I know that I
used to do that, thinking that stuff had to be started and eventually
it ended. But there is an eternity that has nothing to do with these
interruptions. So when you say "game over" I am wondering if you like
inserting these interruptions in order to keep something out?
> find yourself someone else to yell at; actually, I
> might end up putting you on the killfile, to keep Paul West company.
That's up to you but personally I believe that `killfiles', bans, and
message encryption, only encourage secrets. God is here just as much
as anywhere else.
> As I
> once said, get your ass to your site and ground it, you are really becoming
> a pain.
Are you a guru? Maybe I can ask you some questions that have been
puzzling me.
--
Paul.
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Date: 26 Aug 98 19:25:47 +0000
From: "Paul" <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: healing
Message-Id: <OUT-35E45C3C.MD-1.0.paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
> Please send loving energy to Magoo who this morning had quite a strong one.
I hope your cat is well and doesn't suffer. But again it seems there
is a reoccuring theme on the list about sending people healing, and
especially I have seen it a lot on other lists and IRC and so on.
People asking for prayers and people asking for energies and healings
and wellwishes. I am sure I am not the only one that wonders if such
things are a little spiritually romantic, but I would like to know if
such a thing is possible. Can one person bring about a healing in
another? Can energy be sent? Is "energy" a buzzword?
--
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:39:28 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Paul <paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com, kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: healing
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On 26 Aug 1998, Paul wrote:
> Can energy be sent? Is "energy" a buzzword?
if you have to ask that q on this list, man u missed something really
basic....
zappacket! *zing* (white egg)
(giggles)
may all beings be free from suffering
may all beings be filled with happiness
may all beings be free from teh causes of suffering
may all beings be filled with the causes for true happiness
may all beings be filled with equanimity undisturbed by the 8 worldly
attitudes or by dualistic preconceptions :)
(green light rays)
maitri,
--janpa
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 11:41:16 PDT
From: "G.R. Chandran" <mtvictoryATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Boston- Seeking Kundalini teachers
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Namaste-
Can anyone suggest or reccomend teachers or centre's for Kundalini Yoga
in the Greater Boston/Cambridge area. I would like to join
for Kundalini yoga classes. Any info or pointers would be helpful.
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:42:23 -0400
From: "Professor Harsh K. Luthar (Harsha)" <hlutharATnospambryant.edu>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM - the Path and the Goal ....
Message-ID: <35E4570F.D54A0FD6ATnospambryant.edu>
Dancing DaxAne wrote:
> I realized that the goal was everywhere and therefore I was standing in the
> goal, walking to
> the goal, coming from the goal .... there was nothing else existing but
> bliss .... no beginning, no end ... no separation from the goal and yet
> a moving within the infiniy ...
>
> LoveLightLaughter ..... Ane
Harsha: Beautiful. You are the Path and You are the Goal. You can only come to it
through Your Self.
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