1998/08/26 07:47
kundalini-l-d Digest V98 #595
kundalini-l-d Digest Volume 98 : Issue 595
Today's Topics:
Re: I AM [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
RE: Conjectures on Ego [ "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotma ]
Re: I AM [ dax23ATnospamjuno.com (Ahau Akbal) ]
foto gallery [ "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl> ]
Re: owwwwwwwie! [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: UNSUB***IBE [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: The dogmatic stance of Mary L. R [ Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpent ]
Re: I AM [ Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com ]
keeping straight [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: The dogmatic stance of Mary L. R [ Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.co ]
dogmatic stance [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Dog Stance [ Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonlin ]
Re: I AM [ "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.or ]
Re: I AM [ geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com ]
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 13:37:21 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM
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At 06:44 1998.08.26 +0000, Maureen Heffernan wrote:
>Alan,
>you said,
>Kundalini is inclusive and "says" a Way.Yes. a Way - - - TO??? the Great
>I AM That I Am. References to ? I would say,"Living water",Pentecost
>with the firey tongues over the crown centers, the Holy Spirit Mother,
>etc.I always believed the gifts of the Holy Spirit are the gifts of
>Kundalini, , the results are similar. I have enjoyed very much joining
>this group yet am waiting for the duscusions of what the way leads To.
>So much talk on the phenomena,which is wonderful but what does it lead
>to? Not 24 hour orgasms of the body but I think rather 24 hour
>ectasies,(never could spell that sucker) of the soul. Yes???
Excellent! That is the very question that is on my mind for some days now,
and I've been wondering should I ask it here or not... what is the goal -
and is there one?
Self realization? I would put it differently: is it the goal or the path?
If the goal is to realize that I Am One Self, undivided in all beings...
then I have reached the goal in 1994, and yet then I had a feeling that I
have just opened my eyes. Why is there such a huge difference between
self-realized people around, why are they so obviously on different places?
The goal might be to extend self-realization through the ego into a
continuous reality on all planes of existence - whatever that might look
like.
Awakened to the reality of the Now?
Evolution? Expression of Self through the relative, until the relative and
the absolute are united by total purification of ego?
No goal whatsoever? Very imaginable, if the system is open... in the
Absolute, no growth is necessary, in the relative, it never ends...
I better shut up before I confuse myself beyond recognition. :)
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 04:56:50 PDT
From: "Evelyn Niedbalec" <log_me_inATnospamhotmail.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: RE: Conjectures on Ego
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>
>Fosterx2,
>
>> I agree with what Kevin is saying now. From a psychological point
ego is
>> our protection, our sense of self as we are growing up. It helps
provides
>> us with defense mechanism's and strength, without which we would
probably
>> not make it out of childhood and into adulthood.
>
>I think that this model is a good place for ego to hide.
>
>--
>Paul.
I wonder if this argument is really as important as it seems (Evelyn
ducks to avoid inevitable salvo of missiles). So far, it has seemed to
me that if I look within myself, I can see without too much difficulty
what the next obstacle is for myself. It is overcoming the obstacle
that is the difficult part. So it seems that if one is open to hearing
the "bad news" one will know what one should be doing. It seems almost
counter productive to look way way ahead and conjecture on what the
ultimate goal is as that may simply scare or confuse us. Perhaps we
should look more toward the immediate goals and down the road we will
have a better understanding of future goals. Otherwise, it seems to me
like a one year old child trying to decide which college he will want to
go to.
-Evelyn
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:30:56 -0600
From: dax23ATnospamjuno.com (Ahau Akbal)
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM
Message-ID: <19980826.063109.10014.4.dax23ATnospamjuno.com>
Greetin's Maureen, List Folks,
On Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:44:41 +0000 Maureen Heffernan
<morlightATnospammhonline.net> writes:
>I would say,"Living water",Pentecost with the firey tongues
>over the crown centers, the Holy Spirit Mother, etc.I always >believed
the gifts of the Holy Spirit are the gifts of Kundalini,
> the results are similar.
Me does also believe this to be the case. At the release of
Our identification to separation, Our little thought-form
particles start a turnin' inta wave form which be a unifyin' with
the (W)Holy Spirit. If ye has ever here a spontaneous release
be a happenin' ta many folks, it be like their bodies start a wavin'
ta the Divine IS. Close to the top of their heads, ye kin see this
wave form the easiest.
>I have enjoyed very much joining this group yet am waiting for
>the duscusions of what the way leads To. So much talk on the
>phenomena,which is wonderful but what does it lead to?
>Not 24 hour orgasms of the body but I think rather 24 hour
>ectasies,(never could spell that sucker) of the soul. Yes???
No spell check program, huh? To bad. It has saved me ego
upon many an occasion. Ex Stasis: to stand out from.
O' course, there be folk who look at the body as a bein' different
than the soul. So they be a separatin' their orgasms, I suppose.
Fer me, it be all in me Awareness, so me does not hafta make
them different. When me Shakti comes a callin' on me
Shiva Jiva, everythin' be be a movin', me spirit a groovin', an me Light
be a Lovin' Everythin'. Tis not 24 hours yet, seein's how
they both still be a livin' in different apartments, Him in the attic
an' Her in the basement. Soon though...
Ahau Akbal, member of **C.A.R.E.S.S Society
**(Christ Ascending Radiant Eros Shiva Shakti) Society
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Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 14:36:08 +100
From: "frans" <fransATnospamtelebyte.nl>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: foto gallery
Message-Id: <199808261230.OAA28343ATnospamdegas.telebyte.nl>
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Hello kids, just wanted to say how glad i am with this list. And how i wished
we could meet someplace, look each other in the eye, and have a full cup of
something... in the mean time i would love to see some new faces in the
k-list foto gallery at:
http://www.telebyte.nl/~frans/we/
If you want to join send me your picture (fransATnospamtelebyte.nl), snail mail is ok
too, i will scan it.
Or point me the way if you have a foto on the web.
Frans Storms
priemstraat 1
6511 WC Nijmegen
The Netherlands
See you, frans
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 00:50:36 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: DruoutATnospamaol.com
Cc: paulwestATnospamstationone.demon.co.uk, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: owwwwwwwie!
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My wings have been growing, and the tingly energy was kind of itchy. I
now have a patch of eczema on each sholderblade, running vertically down to
my waist. Wing marks. How very silly. I zapped 'em with Nizoral dandruff
shampoo.. they'll fade.
At 08:50 PM 25/08/98 EDT, DruoutATnospamaol.com wrote:
>Dear list,
>I know that K energy is commonly used to heal others, but I was wondering if
>it could heal oneself, esp. if the injury came about because of k.
> Any personal experiences out there in the realm of self-healing??
>
>Love, Hillary
>
>
>
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 06:00:12 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: mollyrATnospamibm.net
Cc: Ktm369ATnospamaol.com, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: UNSUB***IBE
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At 12:49 PM 26/08/98 +0800, mollyrATnospamibm.net wrote:
>Thanks very much for sending me this. I did not write it. It seems that the
>hostility I have been getting is greater than I realized.
Mary, you're beautiful. This is pretty funny.
Everybody on the list got one of these, coz Kay accidentally sent it to
the posting address, not to the -request address
Why you would take such an error as evidence of personal hostility, and
an indication of hostility, I have no idea. However, if you look at it in
the light for a moment, you might consider whether you are also seeing
hostility in other places, where it is not.
You are a newcomer, so you don't know that the folks who have been
poking you, are among the wisest sages of the list. I do know it, and know
that Sharon has already been through these issues in her own path.. Nor
have you gotten past your fears enough to consider whether what you see as
hostility might be love.. they are trying to poke you onto your next stage
of evolution. Coz it's more blissful than where you are now.
>I have not yet decided what to do about it, except to respectfully
exercise the
>option of not responding to messages which are involved with it.
Sigh. Why do you have to do anything about it? Who must be "saved"?
I have sent Kay the correct address, already. Sometimes the computer
unsubs people who send commands to the posting address,.. so if you are
unsubbed, I didn't do it, resub yourself.
The whole point, of this thread is that the reactions of other folks are
beyond your control.. just as no-one but you knows why a mis-sent unsub
request seems to appear to be an indication of hostility, to your
perceptions.
Mary, you can only change the world, by changing inside yourself.
I will try to give you a hand, at changing your perceptions of us, if you
are so inclined.. this is a list of K. awake folks.. a bunch of psychics.
We do not just read your words, we read what your soul is saying, and your
mind and auras and chakras, everything... we look thru the words and past
them, to the underlying issues that are inspiring the expression, and see
it. Naked. Welcome to the K-list. Bunch of perverted psychic nudists, but
really, very nice folks once you get to know them.
Now, it is very impolite, if you have x-ray vision like this, to say, "I
see you naked and here is how you look." However, it is polite to ask you
questions about yourself, so you see more about how you look at yourself.
Ask if you have noticed the forest when you are looking at the pretty trees.
However, I will reach out an olive branch, from possibly the last place
you expect it, and tell you what all the folks with X-ray vision are
staring at. It's your K. It is very beautiful, it is evolving you, and it
has brought you just to the place in your evolution where you realize that
God truly speaks thru you, and think this means that you have to go preach
about how the world has to change to be saved. Since you preach the word of
God, it seems to follow that anyone who disagrees with God must be nasty..
hostile, and out of control.. especially if they cannot appreciate your
specialness.
I am not making fun of you.. I see the voice in some of your writing. It
is genuine spirit..
Been there, done that, got the shirt.. I know what it feels like.. so
have many of the people who are "flaming" you.. The reason why they are
trying to bring you out of it, is because folks who get stuck at this place
of righteousness turn into people like: Adolph Hitler, David Koresh. etc..
the reason why these examples came up, is that these notoriously repressive
folks Were awakened, and thought that the whispers of inner voice was
telling them how someone else needed to change.. and that is not how the
free will universe works..
We call that "Kundalini Psychosis", and watch for it carefully, coz it is
an unhappy state of confusion.
Yes, Mary.. spirit speaks through you very clearly.. and your talk of
obedience is correct.. Obedience is submission, and that is the key to
smooth Kundalini awakening. Well and good. Surrender. I can get behind
that. The rest of it, tho... the value judgments.. they are about no-one,
but the person making them.
What you have not yet realized is that the inner voice is speaking only
of what is correct for YOU. Your perfect snowflake individuality. Not about
anybody else, tho it might seem like it..
Thru the mirror of All that is, you can only see yourself reflected. You
are All that Is. The stuff that bugs you about other people, is Your
stuff.. your judgments, opinions.. it is all about You. Reflections of your
personality.
All of these posts you write, are your own spirit telling you how Mary
needs to change, to become a happier and more complete person. We see the
first, and see you talking you your Self.
All the fear and helplessness you feel in response to the circus that
has erupted around our observing your present symptoms with an experienced
eye, is Spirit moving to bring up your fears, so you can blush at yourself,
make a leap of faith, and get over them. No, Mary, you cannot change how
the list seems to respond to you, no matter how hard you try to get them to
be different. You can only change the world, by choosing to change your
perceptions of it.
Your perceptions, shape your experience.. they are all you get of the
world, and they get filtered thru your personality.. you saw a misplaced
post and thought a war had escalated.. us and them. Welcome to K-list,
Mary.. there is no us and them. There is only Us.
Spirit shows stuff to you, not to send you on a crusade to change the
world.. but to ask you if you still want this opinion, or can you give it
up to Goddess and get something even better, back. To see the truth of the
perfection of All things, thru Goddess' eyes. The prize at the end of the
rainbow of releasing the judgments.
Whoa blissful, and the folks who you think are hostile, are trying to
poke you to go onto that blissful next step. Coz they love you. They can't
help it, love is what they are. Sometimes it takes strange forms.
Your own reactions to this post, might serve to tell you, you are
interpreting hostility, where it isn't.
>I am sorry for the people who have defined me as a problem, but I do not
accept
>the label. If you want to excise me from the list I cannot take
responsibility
>for that.
Obviously, if you are interpreting an innocuous post as evidence of how
big a problem is, you have indeed labeled yourself a problem.
It might cheer you up, to know that we have not. We see your perfection
better than you do. and were trying to get you to see it, too.. by asking
you to look at yourself.
I have only ever unsubscribed one person from the list for being overly
righteous, and excessively verbose, and he makes you look like a purring
pussycat. One person in two years.
I unsubbed him to forestall a lynching, just as I sometimes publicly
flame someone for excessive bandwidth, to forestall much nastier private
flames, from the people whose money is being wasted.. or, just because my
karma made me do it. :)
Bandwidth is a practical issue, everybody gets poked for it.. this is an
international list, and email is expensive in the far east, and in many
less technologically abundant places than the USA. We have 400 members, so
it's important to take turns and be respectful, share nice, just like
kindergarden.
What you cannot see, is that the inundation of email on this topic, (in
spite of the well known issue of bandwidth,) is evidence of how much people
care about your wellbeing. Enough to risk tangling with me, in August...:)
Enough to forget obedience and follow their heart.
>
>With regrets that this whole event ever transpired.
>
>Ktm369ATnospamaol.com wrote:
No regrets, Darlin.. everything that happens in this sacred space, is
perfection. You are being loved in an unfamiliar way. Open to it.
And please remember to snip! :) Bandwidth is gold, round these parts.. eve
Blessings, Mystress.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 05:57:47 -0700
From: Mystress Angelique Serpent <serpentATnospamdomin8rex.com>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
Cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The dogmatic stance of Mary L. Riley strikes back :)
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At 09:39 AM 26/08/98 +0200, Danijel Turina wrote:
>Unfortunately I have to disagree with you...
Of course you do. You like flame wars, and consider it your personal
duty to inflame them bigger, with some kind of idea that they are good for
people. It is a compulsion. I understand. You cannot control yourself.
There are a few times of the lunar and solar calendar that cause
Kundalites to howl at the moon and grow hairy palms.. traffic goes nutso..
folks get hypersensitive... this is one of these times, and I think I will
surrender to it..
>And it is not just Angelique - she's in some hormone mess,
LOL! Very witty..
>it's visible from her posts lately that she's just waiting for trouble,
>doesn't matter much who it is or what is it about,
Awwww.. you are a sweetie.. willingly stepping up to be my victim, to
draw the fire and spare the other poor suffering folks from my misguided
wrath. What a hero.
I am pleased to say, I am feeling much better, I figured out that some of
the Bi-polar effects were from being psi-linked with a psychotic manic
depressive I have been doing some remote healing work on.. adjusted the
link, seems much better, now..
Also, the Reaper showed up, while I was worshipping Goddess, and is
singing hypnotic love songs to the pig. .. so what remains of my ego has
returned to it's previous, fat sleepy lizard state of surrender and will be
easy to catch when the time comes to give it up to Hades appetites. Fit for
a King. It wouldn't settle for less.
>Why do I have an impression that the second definition was completely lost
>from sight because some people had problems with the first one?
because you want to continue a pointless flame war?
> And why do I get the impression that nobody really listens
>to the other person when it comes to their sensitive spots?
Who is not listening to you, Danijel, and why? Or are you the one not
listening? Why is nobody listening to you? Perhaps it is because you cry
wolf with your opinions, simply to get attention?
People have been listening to exactly what Mary has to say, and with
enough interest to question it. One has to hear something to question it,
and questioning is being open to new information. Mary has not been open to
new information, has not been really listening, and now finds questions
threatening enough to her ego, to want to run away and hide.
>Someone has a
>childhood problem with a dominant father, so let's lynch Mary Riley. Very
>nice. Yuck.
Haul out the stereotypes.. see if they fit. Stereotypes are very
provocative, and useful sometimes for provocation, if that is what is
wanted, but they are seldom true. Like the Nazi stereotype of the greedy
Jew..
Ever noticed, if you try to point out something to a dog, it just looks
at your finger pointing?
If you are so interested in obedience and harmony, then why are you
being melodramatic, provocative, and deliberately trying to increase
already overwhelmed Bandwidth..? O yeah..that's right, you are in "hero"
mode, and are coming to the gallant rescue of Mary by desperately trying to
provoke the bite of the evil hormonal List Mystress. Wolf! Bwahahahahaha
ha. (shrug) laugh.. Well, thanks, anyways, Danijel. Sweet of you to offer
to be my whipping boy.. :D :* verrrrry kinky, and I'm flattered.. but
Goddess has it handled.
> if someone really wants to tell
>me something, there are always much better ways than frontal attack fueled
>by projection of one's own crap.
So then why do you do it?
(Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain... )
Will the real Danijel please stand up?
(Not that he doesn't look real cute bent over my knee..:) )
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:04:40 EDT
From: Harsha1MTMATnospamaol.com
To: morlightATnospammhonline.net, kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM
Message-ID: <c513f2d1.35e407e9ATnospamaol.com>
In a message dated 8/26/1998 3:49:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
morlightATnospammhonline.net writes:
<< Alan, you said, Kundalini is inclusive and "says" a Way.Yes. a Way - - -
TO??? the Great I AM That I Am. >>
Harsha: Yes. Kundalini has many paths and manifestations. It can take one to
a variety of Superconscious states, celestial regions, and various planes and
give so many different experiences. All of this is fine but does not address
the fundamental mystery of Existence. When peaceful and content, desiring
nothing, not even enlightenment, one retains only awareness of awareness, the
Shakti rises and along with the mind merges with the Source and reveals It
Self to be the Self It Self. Now One Recognizes that One is Existence Itself,
pervading all words and all worlds on all planes of consciousness. That Is
the Self Existent and Self Sustaining Reality which is Complete, within which
appear all the Universes and it requires no external support, as there is
nothing external to it. That is the Self. That is What You Are.
Love and Blessings to all.
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 08:36:44 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: keeping straight
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.3.96.980826082601.5670A-100000ATnospamwinc0>
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its so easy to meander. Especially when i'm feeling depressed and down. i
dont feel like doing my mantras and stuff. what's the point? i started
asking myself.
due to being on a 'traditional' type of path i have things i have to do
everyday. sometimes i get a little rebellious and down and i start
questioning why i do it at all. What is the point? im 'american',
midwestern, middle class, suburbia-to-the-max, so why on earth am i
keeping an altar with these images of Eastern deities on it, and why do i
feel so close to a Tibetan Khenpo? *sigh*
this morning im in this funk when i start my usual routine of water
offerings, mantras, prostrations etc. by the end of it, my funk has
passed. i actually feel sort of sane again. balanced. oh! thats why im
doing this! i feel lucky to have a guide and to have 'stuff' that needs to
be done. otherwise, i would meander off and settle down and attempt to let
it die.
lately i feel prone to being down. its something wierd with august and my
allergies. im allergic to ragweed and crysanthemums. i realized this
morning most of my problem is i feel a little sick. and im more in touch
with my body response than usual (i tend to hang out in the head chakras).
This morning i was hugged by a figure with 4 arms :). sometimes you just
need a hug.
*hug*
--dao (janpa tsomo)
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 15:52:15 +0200
From: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
To: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: The dogmatic stance of Mary L. Riley strikes back :)
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At 05:57 1998.08.26 -0700, you wrote:
> If you are so interested in obedience and harmony, then why are you
>being melodramatic, provocative, and deliberately trying to increase
>already overwhelmed Bandwidth..? O yeah..that's right, you are in "hero"
>mode, and are coming to the gallant rescue of Mary by desperately trying to
>provoke the bite of the evil hormonal List Mystress. Wolf! Bwahahahahaha
>ha. (shrug) laugh.. Well, thanks, anyways, Danijel. Sweet of you to offer
>to be my whipping boy.. :D :* verrrrry kinky, and I'm flattered.. but
>Goddess has it handled.
OK. And what could possibly be acomplished by that tone and attitude?
option a, I react in a similar manner and you get to be right, there is a
flame war, Danijel is an asshole
option b, I don't respond, and then you send me e-mail that basically says
"chickened out, eh?", I of course dump it
option c, I respond kindly, you keep insulting me until I finally choose
the option b.
So it is a win-win-win scenario for you. Unfortunately, there is no dialog,
things that I find worth looking into are being disregarded in favor of
your flame games, and the real oposition is repelled from the playground.
Just to be on the safe side, I have to tell the others that I really have
no hidden-agenda-flame-war stuff in mind, I was really just expressing some
thoughts and concern. And I intend to keep it so, since this is the last
message I'll write to Angelique on this or any similar matter.
I was not talking to you, so I have no intentions of going into an
argument. Game over, find yourself someone else to yell at; actually, I
might end up putting you on the killfile, to keep Paul West company. As I
once said, get your ass to your site and ground it, you are really becoming
a pain.
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E-mail : dturinaATnospamgeocities.com
Homepage: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/1377
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:11:25 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: dogmatic stance
Message-ID: <35E3DF4D.7621E5DDATnospammhonline.net>
I operate a kennel. When I glance thru the subject heading of all my
mail I see Dog stance, Dog stance two dogs (or more) hair up, peeing
contest??? Showing teeth. I feel like saying, hey! knock that off! Sit
and stay and let the beauty of the soul shine though.
Good puppies.
More Light.
+ Maureen
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 10:14:33 +0000
From: Maureen Heffernan <morlightATnospammhonline.net>
To: Kundalini <kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com>
Subject: Dog Stance
Message-ID: <35E3E009.52DFEE7CATnospammhonline.net>
Wow!
Just had a vision of Mystress as ALPHA Female pack leader!Ha Ha.
+ M
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:20:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Debora A. Orf" <dorf01ATnospammail.win.org>
To: Danijel Turina <dturinaATnospamhempseed.com>
cc: kundalini-lATnospamlists.execpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM
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On Wed, 26 Aug 1998, Danijel Turina wrote:
>
> Excellent! That is the very question that is on my mind for some days now,
> and I've been wondering should I ask it here or not... what is the goal -
> and is there one?
> Self realization? I would put it differently: is it the goal or the path?
at least in buddhist tantra, the goal is used as the path. ok u guys and
gals on vedanta tantra, is this true for you too?
> If the goal is to realize that I Am One Self, undivided in all beings...
> then I have reached the goal in 1994, and yet then I had a feeling that I
> have just opened my eyes. Why is there such a huge difference between
> self-realized people around, why are they so obviously on different places?
> The goal might be to extend self-realization through the ego into a
> continuous reality on all planes of existence - whatever that might look
> like.
>
> Awakened to the reality of the Now?
There is a phrase from a dzogchen prayer that goes 'Awareness of nowness
is actually the Buddha'. So i'd tend ot think that ya, awakened to the
reality of NOW is not a bad place to be in. My Q is: i dont grok how there
can be any sort of self left at that point, but i think that's coming from
my buddhist viewpoint and the idea of an-atman.
> Evolution? Expression of Self through the relative, until the relative and
> the absolute are united by total purification of ego?
hmm, there's an idea on how to grok the two truths, relative and
absolute... relative evolves into absolute. gotta chew on that one :).
but what is there to purify? ego? ego is a resultant i think not a cause.
One cant purify a resultant, resultants fall into the 'shit that happens'
catagory. causes are something that can be uprooted/purified etc. You know
the idea that ripened karma cannot be stopped? This is what im applying
here. i think ego(little) is a form of ripened karma. u can purify its
causes, but it itself is just sorta a pain in the butt to deal with
sometimes.
maitri,
--dao
Date: Wed, 26 Aug 1998 09:27:23 -0700
From: geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com
To: kundalini-lATnospamexecpc.com
Subject: Re: I AM
Message-ID: <19980826.092724.3262.0.Geoffrey33ATnospamjuno.com>
>So much talk on the phenomena,which is wonderful but what does it lead
>to? Not 24 hour orgasms of the body but I think rather 24 hour
>ecstasies,(never could spell that sucker) of the soul. Yes???
If the body/mind were to experience 24 hour orgasms of the body and soul,
it wouldn't be long be for it was so commonplace that it would not even
be noticed. All that would be left would be a deep sense of contentment.
Others may sense the higher vibrational energy and magnetic nature of
the individual. He may feel life is more intense and he is more alive
than ever, but soon accepts it as just the way things are. We just take
it for granted that we walk and feel it completely normal, we forget that
we once crawled on hands and knees.
Blessings to all,
Geoffrey
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